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May 23, 2022

Interview with The Kentucky Gentlemen

≈We had the pleasure of interviewing The Kentucky Gentlemen over Zoom video!

The Kentucky Gentlemen just released a fantastic new single called “Whatever You're Up For,” and they’re gearing up to release more new music!

The Kentucky Gentlemen is...


≈We had the pleasure of interviewing The Kentucky Gentlemen over Zoom video!

The Kentucky Gentlemen just released a fantastic new single called “Whatever You're Up For,” and they’re gearing up to release more new music!

The Kentucky Gentlemen is the twin-brother duo of Brandon and Derek Campbell originally from Versailles, KY. We first discovered these guys last year when Mickey Guyton tweeted about them, and we (like her) were completely blown away. We started digging and quickly found their Love & Acceptance Concert performance of “Vibin’,” an absolutely infectious song that was featured by CMT, who praised "Derek’s twanging baritone and Brandon’s timeless Southern soul.”

The duo’s follow-up single "Whatever You’re Up For" combines their love of ‘90s country and R&B into one helluva country bop that perfectly depicts the excitement of a new relationship. Wide Open Country called it “an irresistible country jam that makes for the perfect first date soundtrack,” and Music Row said it's "a sexy, good-time come-on that is ready for any country dance floor. This jam is star-making stuff.”

They’ve been making a name for themselves around Nashville this last year, working with songwriter/producer Chris Sligh (Rascal Flatts) and Grammy-nominated producer Matt McClure (Lee Brice, Dylan Scott).

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Hello, it is Adam. Welcome back to bringing it backwards. A podcast where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how they achieved stardom. On this episode, we had a chance to hang out with twin brothers, Brandon and Derek Campbell, AKA the Kentucky gentlemen, over zoom video, Brandon and Derek grew up in a small town in Kentucky, and they talked about how they got into music. They started singing in the church and then ended up taking piano lessons around third grade. Brandon ended up sticking with music through elementary school, middle school and high school. He played the clarinet sophomore year. He quit playing band to continue playing football. The band leader wanted him to March in the band during halftime, but also playing the games. 2 (1m 41s): And he's like, how is that even possible? But, but obviously he returned to performing and playing music. Both Brandon and Derek as twins went to two completely different states for college. Brandon went to Chicago. Derek went to Indiana and about halfway through their first year, wasn't cutting it. Both of them were not happy where they were. So they moved back home and decided to start a band together, wanted to perform and sing and write songs. That's what their passion was. And it moving to Nashville, living in a one bedroom apartment together and started writing a song a day. We hear about the success of their song, vibing working and writing during the pandemic and all about their new song, which is called alcohol. 2 (2m 24s): You can watch our interview with Brandon and Derek on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at bringing it backwards. It would be rad if you subscribe to our channel like us on Facebook and follow us on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik TOK at bringing back pod. And if you're listening to this via Spotify, apple music, Google podcasts, it would be amazing if you follow us there as well, and hook us up with a five star review. 3 (2m 48s): We'd appreciate your support. If you follow and subscribe to our podcasts, wherever you listen to podcasts, 2 (2m 54s): We're bringing it backwards with the Kentucky gentlemen, 4 (2m 58s): Hey, 2 (2m 58s): Hey, what's going on? 5 (3m 0s): How's it going? 2 (3m 2s): I'm doing well doing well. I appreciate you both doing this today. Thank you. 5 (3m 6s): I appreciate you having us. 2 (3m 7s): Of course, my name's Adam. And this is about you guys and your journey in music and all about the new record. I love the song alcohol that you just released as well. So chat on that. Okay. So who's Brandon who's Derek. Just so I'm clear on here. Brandon and Derek, obviously twin brothers. So I want to hear about where were you guys born and raised? 5 (3m 31s): We were actually born and raised in a small town called Versailles. Anywhere else people would call it Versailles, but Tucky, it's a small town right near the Lexington area. We usually have to say the town beside it so people may know where it is. 2 (3m 47s): Sure. Okay. So Lexington, Kentucky, ish. What was it like growing up there? 5 (3m 55s): We realized that it's actually your cat, like casually surrounded by horses environment, 24, 7 embedded in you. It was a small town. Everybody who went to elementary school together, graduated high school together. 2 (4m 10s): Oh, wow. 5 (4m 11s): Yes. 2 (4m 12s): Yeah. So was it like, was there even like multiple schools or was it like elementary school through college? High school was all in one school, 5 (4m 18s): Multiple elementary schools, but only one middle school and high school. And we like, we hit like 12 and all of a sudden we were all together. You wanted anything different? You had to go to dinner the city beside us. So, yeah, it was a very, very close knit, tight town. Very little Hallmarky grew up there, all his, him and his, all his 13 siblings. So everybody is very big family. So everybody was like, oh, you look like you're you something you're related and went, yes, that's my dad. 2 (4m 50s): Oh, wow. So your dad is originally from there and he's 13 siblings. That's insane. Wow. And they are all still there. 5 (4m 58s): Most of them are all still there. Maybe one or two have decided to go to another town or whatnot, but all of them were there and you know, we, a lot of cousins, but we don't get all the aunts and uncles mixed up back here. 2 (5m 12s): Oh, that's good. That's good. Was anyone else musical in your household or, I mean, what about your extended family? I guess to 5 (5m 20s): Not necessarily, I wouldn't say, I mean, we all went to <inaudible> art. We all grew up playing and that's when our big brother, we played piano growing up, but he never really stuck with it. And it's mainly just as mainly music, like a very distant, what we consider cousin is like early two thousands, R and B thing you're tweaked, but 2 (5m 47s): I recognize the name. That's the thing. 5 (5m 50s): And so other than that, that's, that's it. 2 (5m 54s): So this is you. Well, how does, how does tweet relate to the family? Do you have any idea 5 (6m 0s): On our mom's side and her hometown? Western, Kentucky tweets families also there. And so that's kind of like, they like it. It's definitely down the line of cousins, but they're all, they're all there and lose only. We don't ever see her or anything. She doesn't live in that area, but 2 (6m 19s): She's 5 (6m 19s): A distant cousin. 2 (6m 20s): That's cool. That is cool. So you guys grew up in the church, singing in the church and a piano. What year? Or what year? What age were you both? When that all started? As far as piano 5 (6m 32s): Grade, third grade, we always, I think once or twice a week, we were told that now you're taking the school bus to do, but like this house. So, you know, it was something sometimes as a kid you're not looking forward to after a long day at school. That's how that's, that's kinda how we got started here. And I did a little band growing up like one day until you 2 (6m 56s): Didn't own the only you did band. 5 (6m 58s): Yeah. Only I did Bain. Yeah. I wasn't, I wasn't into integrating into the band to be honest. The, the teacher told him I wanted to play trumpet and she told me my fingers were too fat and I just quit. 2 (7m 9s): Wow. That's brutal. Really? Oh my gosh. Okay. Well, what did you play in the band? 5 (7m 17s): I played clarinet and bass clarinet. 2 (7m 19s): Oh, really? I played clarinet for one year in the band as well when I was in fifth grade. And the only reason why I chose it is because a kid that was a year older than me. We had to go to like the class to see what instrument you want to play. And he like put his mouth over the whole mouthpiece and he just blew it as hard as he could have made this like obnoxious, like duck sound. He was like, I was like, that is what I want to take. 5 (7m 40s): Yeah. I chose it because like, it wasn't the fluke. And it was small enough to where like when I had to take it home, like hide it from people and not let them know. Like I was like, sneak it. They're like, are you banned? I'm like, no. 6 (7m 58s): Here's to the great American settlers. The millions of you who settled for unsatisfying jobs because they pay the bills. Of course, there is something else you could do. If you got something to say, start a podcast with speaker, from my heart and unleash your creative freedom. Maybe even earn enough money to one day. Tell your old boss a I'm no settler. I'm an Explorer. speaker.com. 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I did not have to lug that around. 2 (10m 30s): Well, how long were you in the band for them? 5 (10m 33s): I was there from sixth grade to sophomore year of high school. Yeah. I wasn't there for awhile. 2 (10m 40s): Why'd you end up leaving the band or you just got over it? 5 (10m 43s): Yeah. I also played like a lot of sports and so the director had an issue that I wasn't in marching band and I was like, I don't want to be in marching band. I played football and he was okay. Yeah. And so he would like wanted me to like March with them at halftime. And I was like, I'm planning. I can't do that. So I was like, yeah, it was, 2 (11m 5s): Yeah. They're like, okay, take all your pads off everything and then put on this, this a different uniform, go out and play the halftime, put it all back on and get back on the field. Like, yeah, that's a lot. Yeah. 5 (11m 16s): And it was a lot, so I was like, mm, I think I'm okay. I'm good. I'll keep playing out. Grab the guitar. 2 (11m 22s): Okay. And Derek, what about you? What'd you play where you interest in sports? 5 (11m 27s): Just the sports. 2 (11m 28s): I okay. 5 (11m 29s): Honestly, after like piano picked up guitar a little bit, and then that's pretty much it in terms of instruments for me, I wasn't as adventurous and getting a couple more things to play. Yeah. 2 (11m 42s): Well, when, when did you guys start playing together? Like when did this? I know this venture kind of started later, right? 5 (11m 49s): We always grew up singing together and practicing in the room together, but we moved, we decided like six months that we're going to do this together. Six months before we moved to Nashville. In 2013, we went to separate colleges, like right after high school. And I was in Indiana. He was in Chicago at school. And we, after a couple months close to a year, we were like, Hey, this is not working out for us. The family kind of got together saying like, you know, what, what do we need to do to make sense, to send y'all somewhere, to make you happy. And we were like, you know, we both want to pursue performing in music. Why, why are we not doing it together? Let's just reconvene. And who saved up for six months? 5 (12m 29s): And throughout the time, we just kind of started preparing ourselves as the Kentucky gentlemen. And that was at 19. And so about eight and a half years ago, eight or nine years ago, we, we picked it up and moved into our parents who doesn't do a one bedroom apartment here. We switched back and forth from the futon in the day we took turns for the Scissors every night to figure out who got 2 (12m 51s): That's funny. Are you guys sitting national still? 5 (12m 54s): We are we our Own bedrooms. So we're 2 (13m 0s): Yeah. Moving up. Well, where, whereabouts in Nashville? Are you in the city? 5 (13m 5s): Yeah. Where does just in north Nashville? Literally. Probably more in Germantown area. It's like, 2 (13m 11s): Cool. Yeah. I'm wait. I'm south way south, but that's awesome. That's really cool. Okay. Well, I'm kinda curious, you guys went to totally different colleges, totally different states. Was that a big, difficult thing? I mean, being twins and growing up together, then you're like, all right, well, see you later. 5 (13m 30s): That's exactly how, what it was like. So upset. We, we talked maybe twice there in like the first, like, Hey, how's they call him? And I'm like, no, I can just ask you. But it was more like, I think it was a thing that we like just really need to grow as individuals, because that was something that no one, let us be good enough. So it didn't really bother every now and then of course we like send each other messages, talking crap and stuff. But other than that, there wasn't a whole lot. Yeah. A whole lot of chatting at all. Looking back like bed is kind of weird, but I think it was just something that like needed some that needed to happen for individuals and become our own person instead of just being the twins. 2 (14m 17s): Right. Where are you guys always just labeled the twins? Like in school and stuff? 5 (14m 20s): For the most part? Yeah, the twins or we have other older brother and they say the Campbell brothers. So it was like, have your own 2 (14m 29s): Identity. Yeah. I've actually noticed now that I'm living, I'm from California, Southern California. But when we moved my family and I moved here a year ago in February, so a little over a year ago. And there's a lot of twins here, like younger twins, like, like not all like older people, but like twin, like around it's crazy. I mean, like in my neighborhood there's like five sets of twins. 5 (14m 54s): Yeah. It was the same with us. Leah Bedford high school with four sets of twins Who were just a year or two younger, this were twins. Twins are everywhere. I think in the class below us. Like they had triplets <inaudible> 2 (15m 10s): Yeah. I was going to say, cause like growing up, I think there was two sets of twins and then like our whole school, maybe no, maybe three, but it was very rare. And here I'm like, there's not a whole lot of kids on my bus stop, but you know, there's two sets of twins at the bus stop for my kid, which is like, to me, there's like five families and two of them have twins, like, yeah. But anyway. So were you in the same classes growing up or did you kind of try to stay? Not like, 5 (15m 42s): Because my mom's a therapist and she thinks about these things. She's like, from the moment we hit kindergarten, they that's like, they, we wouldn't be in the same class in order because we always distracted each other. And like, so we wouldn't be dependent on each other. And they also were trying to let us be around people. So up until even until high school, we were never in the same classes. 2 (16m 6s): Good thing. You guys think that that was a good thing. 5 (16m 8s): Honestly, when I look back and we hit high school and we were in some of the same classes, we definitely distracted each other. Yeah. I think it was a good thing. 2 (16m 19s): That's interesting because, well, there's two, the two sets of twins I can think of right now that are at the, at the bus stop here. One family does that, where they separate their kids. They're like, no, I don't want them in the same class, but then there's another set. That's like, they need to be together. And like, and the younger ones that they have to be together, they're they're in kindergarten. I think. So it'll be interesting to see if they kind of get stuck or if the school dishes like, sorry, you know, we're splitting them up 5 (16m 49s): In high school when we were in classes together, I was just like, not take notes. Cause I knew it was like, well, I know he's taking them so I don't have to <inaudible>. I was always like, why didn't you do anything? He's like, cause you're doing it. 2 (17m 3s): That's funny. Oh man. Well, okay. So then you end up, do you guys decide who, like what, what did you guys go to school for? Was it two completely different things or 5 (17m 15s): Yeah, I went to school for vocal performance and monitoring and Danton, fashion marketing. And I went to college on a ballet scholarship. Actually 2 (17m 26s): You guys are both in performing. Okay. So that, this isn't that far fetched in dance. Where you doing ballet and stuff for the school or no. Oh, okay. 5 (17m 39s): Definitely. Yeah. I guess college, it was a choice between like ballet and football, but I was going to pursue and clearly I've veered off of both. Yeah. Well it's actually calling me singing. 2 (17m 53s): Cool. Okay. So you, what do you finish school or halfway through school or first year of school. You're like this isn't working out, let's get back together and try to do something different. 5 (18m 3s): Yeah, exactly. Halfway through the first year we were like, not the happiest here. I feel like we could be happier doing other things elsewhere and yeah, just kind of school wasn't those schools weren't really like pushing us to be like our best selves. And we decided to kind of, our best selves were honestly pursuing, singing what we've always done together. That just, that felt way more right. Than being so frustrated all the time with, with those other worlds that we were in. Right. 2 (18m 33s): Right. And then you eventually moved to Nashville, like you said, in a one bedroom. And are you writing music together at this point? Like songs and everything? Yeah. 5 (18m 40s): Yes. We, this, the first year we were writing songs before we moved to Nashville and then very first year we decided that the best way to get out all of our worst stuff was to write a song, every song or two every single day for the first year that we were in Nashville. 2 (18m 55s): Wow. 5 (18m 56s): We stuck by it. I get asked to actually love some of those songs, but there might be some of the worst stuff though. So I don't know. I think I just, 2 (19m 10s): But to write a song every day, that's incredible or multiple songs a day. And then what do you, so you do this for obviously a year or so. And then what's the first kind of the next step from there. Like you have these songs, but do you meet up with the producer? Like you get a publishing deal? Like what kind of is the next step in the journey? 5 (19m 28s): Well, after that year, we, you know, riding so much, you start kind of freaking out a little bit of what you, what you sound like and what you're going for and what you're comfortable with and enjoy the most. And so we kind of took that material and found like-minded writers and writers that could push us to be the better versions of what we've already written and those kinds of things. And we started that's when we started kind of mingling with other songwriters and getting in rooms with them. And then on top of that, getting introduced to producers who could also, you know, pull that sound together. 8 (20m 2s): Bet MGM is pitching baseball fans, a chance to swing for the fences register using code champion 200 and win $200 in free bets. 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So you had an EAP, you guys put in an EPA, where were you playing like around town or 5 (22m 50s): We were cutting a lot around town with travel and some plans, some festivals and small town festivals as well. It's it's when I look back like actually really missing, it's like having a full band on like the court steps of some small towns. <inaudible> was like the first song that we released, where we felt more confident in what our sound would be like. 2 (23m 11s): Okay. Very cool. And since, I mean, that was in 2019 and then words like when the pandemic hits, how does that affect what you guys are up to? 5 (23m 20s): Yeah, the paint they make. So we kept writing. We wrote a lot through the paint. They immigrate a lot virtually and it was really hard to write village virtually when you're used to like pulling off people's energies in the room where people want to zoom right. Or something. It's like, you're going all these different directions. So we just get right in trying to crank it out. Couldn't get out, can't get out. And then in the pandemic bureau, I think right before the paint, like the painting, we just hit and it was still, people were like still staying there. And we went to our friends and we were vibing and then we decided to release it and then it just kind of took off. And that got some traction. We decided like, Hey, let's really own into this, to this sound that now it's super authentic to us. 5 (24m 6s): And so at the end of 2020, in early 20, 21, we, we all decided we're going to have this group of people. We're all going to make sure, you know, we were healthy. And then we, we just had a writing camp and all of these new songs we wrote in that writing camp a year or so ago. And so these are all pandemic songs, Especially alcohol, because that was, that was the theme of the Fitbit. 2 (24m 33s): Oh, I think that was the same for most people. Right. Just, oh my gosh, I'll go. What is happening with this world? And we're all stuck inside the, and that was one of the essential businesses, which I found was interesting. Liquor store 5 (24m 46s): Used to close. 2 (24m 49s): Well, you said, you said vibe and kind of took off where tell me about that. 5 (24m 55s): Yeah. So like then at that point we were disliked, send an email, send the song, do ever to anybody and everybody, I know people call you annoyed by us. And then so we sent it to national music quality and next thing, they forward it and they're like, oh, we love this song, showed it to the vice president of CMT and she loves it. And she wants to talk to you still email you in five minutes later, we get an email from her and she's like, Hey, we'd love to do a world premier of your video if you have a video. And so we're like, yeah, we have a video, no one full, well, we did not have a video. I was like, give us three days. And we'll, it's always getting edited. 5 (25m 36s): So we hired someone on a whim, could only afford three hours worth the filming. So we like just went and found this, this, I guess, this like Airstream trailer and just recorded the video from our house, all from the house, made a video and then send it to them. And they were like, oh, we love this. It's so fun. And they're like, yeah. And they gave us a date two weeks later, it was on the 12th back countdown, Like maybe six months. And then, so that, that, that kind of opened up a lot of us being, doing a lot of events. Yeah. 2 (26m 16s): That's incredible. How funny do they know? Or did you ended up telling them, Hey, we made this video like right after we talked to, 5 (26m 25s): I actually say, we said, we did say we only like filmed it in a couple of hours, but we did not. We have not found this is the first time we're coming clean. That 2 (26m 37s): That's amazing. Wow. That is really cool. I mean, w and T to be on CMT and like have that kind of happening, that must've been huge, especially, you know, like, as it happened, 5 (26m 49s): I've seen, this is seeing the CMT logo with your like, like on your picture and on the video with it still feels insane to combat them. And I'm like, whoa, what's happening. Especially like, after like the 20, 20 year, like we were like 20, 21, we were like, oh, like, imagine this is when things happen. Like, everything is ways than we will ever imagine. So after being, you know, like hustler for so long to get, to kind of have those kinds of outlets, paying attention to you, it feels great. 2 (27m 24s): Yeah. What was it like telling your family that, Hey, you know, it's working out or paying off here? 5 (27m 31s): Yeah. I had to call into my parents were like, are you okay? You sound sad. I'm like, no, these are happy tears. We're going to be announcing them to your video too. Like, wait, what? 2 (27m 45s): That's so cool. 5 (27m 47s): It started to be worth it all, all this help we've been sending it's violent. 2 (27m 52s): It's paying off. Exactly. That's incredible. So you said all these songs are from pretty much the pandemic. Well, tell me, tell me about alcohol. That's the newest one that you guys just put out? Yes. Okay. Talk to me about this. 5 (28m 4s): That is where I say that are 365 days of writing a song came in handy. So we were able to flip something as you know, normal, simple country song about alcohol. You know, we hear those every single day. And so we were able to flip and spank it and make it something like what we consider a completely fresh and like a new approach to it. We, I guess in that, right. I was like, I had this really funny, like hear me out. Cause they were, everyone was like, we're not right about that. But I was like theory there's I was like, there's like, when you're some people like me, when your heart gets broke, like it's, you're being funny. 5 (28m 44s): Nothing's wrong. You're being charismatic. But like at the same time you're going out and drinking too much every night. Like clearly you're clearly you're upset. So we, we decided to just kinda like, as like, like men who just say, Hey, look, I'm in denial. I'm just going to be that guy where I'm going to pretend nothing's wrong. And I'm just going to have the time of my life, but be super self destructive at the same time. And so we just decided to kind of take a humorous approach to that and pull from all those different emotions. And it's got that Motown field, we that, and we were like, that's exactly how music was. And our, most of our inspiration comes from the early nineties, R and B country. 5 (29m 25s): But Motown, clearly, all of that is influenced by that too. So we decided to kind of pull from all those, all that kind of expression and put it all into one song and just this overwhelming back and forth. Am I happy? Am I sad? Is it screw you? Or do I love you? Just the whole thing. I don't know. I'm just gonna drink. Yeah. That's how we kinda came across that. 2 (29m 48s): I do love your guys' sound. Cause it is, yeah. It has like an army feel to it, but it's also country As well. And it's very unique. Yeah. So, I mean, was it, did it take a while to kind of come up with that sound or? No, 5 (30m 4s): It was more so also the countries that we work with, it's probably the first producer to hit it on the market a lot quicker than anyone else we've worked with From like the baseline. Like I was like, there's just something always missing. I feel like from whom record. And I was like, I just feel like there should be more of a group. And we figured out, like, it just needed more boom and bass and he just put the bass on there and I was like, and now every song we get the bass on there, it was more like us. Like, so it didn't, it took, it didn't take a while to just presume maybe it took like working with him for a year when we finally got like the, the right sound. Typically it's like, we've always had the same voices and utilize them the same way. 5 (30m 47s): It was how to, how to wrap the, the right music and instruments around them to really bring out that would just sell full country days, you know? Like, but we've, we've found that we found that niche now. 2 (31m 3s): Amazing. Amazing. And you were on the road now or are you going to be on the road? Yeah, 5 (31m 7s): We've been on the road the last few months. We've been in Chicago, Atlanta, New York next month. We are in and Nashville to play in Nashville 2 (31m 18s): Who are naturally 5 (31m 20s): Oh, actually playing city winery. Yeah. So presented by CMT. Wow, cool. It's like black opera reviews, like highlighting a lot of the black country artists around town and CMT is all about it and they presented it and sponsored it all. So it was great. It's going to be fun. Yeah. 2 (31m 38s): That's awesome. 5 (31m 38s): Black tie affair. So I got the black tie 2 (31m 42s): Got to get a new suit or something. Oh, I love it. That's so awesome. And congratulations. That's huge. That's a huge, 5 (31m 53s): Yeah. 2 (31m 53s): Well, alcohol just came up, but I'm guessing you have other songs from that writing session or do you have newer stuff that you've been working on? Like what, what what's coming out next? 5 (32m 3s): We're planning on. We've got other stuff from that same period that we were riding, but then we've been definitely riding in some killer stuff. We feel Gaelic lately and where we're going to try to mix those things in as well. Cause we've got, we've got so lots of things to say, and we've got lots of parties to have. We just got to figure out a balance of like, you know what we want, what we need the world to hear right now. But we've got in terms of, I mean, there's so many songs, probably like four or five more songs coming out just the next months. 2 (32m 34s): Wow. 5 (32m 36s): This whole year. It's just going to be Philadelphia music. 2 (32m 39s): That is awesome. Well, thank you both so much for doing this. I really, really appreciate it. I have one more quick question. I want to know if you have any advice for aspiring artists. And I want to see if I can get an answer from both you Brandon and Derek. 5 (32m 51s): Okay. Let me go first. honestly like stay in by just keep showing up and don't quit when other people clearly would. I think that's exactly why we're where we're at today. There you just keep showing up and people, some people may act like you're not supposed to be there. You are. It keeps showing up and eventually they'll see why. And if they don't see why then it was none of their business anyway. So yeah. Just keep showing up. Yep. I love it. Yeah. I would say maybe it's like, don't go home. Like no matter how many times you hear. No, no matter how many, when you hear notes, grab a guitar, get back into it. 5 (33m 34s): Just don't go home.

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