BiB: Doobie - Real Talk on Addiction, Recovery & Reinventing Himself with Rock

0:00 What's going on? It is Adam. Welcome back to Bringing It Backwards, a podcast where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how they achieve stardom. On this episode, we hung out with Doobie over Zoom Video. Doobie was born and raised in Columbus, Ohio and talks about how he got into music. His mom was a big influence on him as far as what she was listening to in the house. A lot of Metallica, a lot of Tupac. So he got a lot of rock and hip hop inspiration as a child. He started off writing poetry and then while in high school, or maybe it was middle school. Middle school. I think he started to write his own rap songs. In high school is when he would produce his own music. He started making his own beats and he was recording other artists. He talked about meeting his manager who is and was the DJ for Jelly Roll for a number of years. One of the first tours Doobie ever did was with Jelly Roll and Yellow Wolf and he talks about that story, how he was able to get on that tour. We talk about the success of when the Drugs Don't Work, how the music video for that song absolutely exploded.

1:04 All the wrong things happened that day. The video came out and it started off with like 30,000 views and now it's got hundreds of millions of views on YouTube and that song really changed his life. He talks about that one and all about the new music he's putting out. Definitely a more rock and inspired album that's coming. The most recent song is called Early Bird Gets the Whiskey and this is Doobie's first song that you know, has this rock vibe and this is going to be it going forward. He said it's going to get even more rock and roll. So love the song. Make sure to check it out. Early Bird gets the whiskey and you can check out the video version of this interview on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at. Bringing it Backwards. It'd be amazing if you subscribe to our channel like us on Facebook, follow us on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok at bringing back pod. And if you're listening to this on Spotify, Apple Music, Google Podcast, it would be amazing if you follow us there as well and hook us up with a five star review. We'd appreciate your support if you follow and subscribe to our podcasts. Wherever you listen to podcasts, we're bringing. It backwards with Doobie.

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5:02 I'm fantastic. I appreciate you doing this, man. Thanks so much, man. Likewise, man. Likewise. I'm excited to chat. My name's Adam. Very nice to meet you. What's up, man? Real quick, are we allowed to cuss on this or no? Oh, yeah, okay. Just wanted to, you know, I got a potty mom sometimes, so, you know, so do I. It's all good, man. I had Modest Yahoo on. He was rolling a blunt for like the first 10 minutes. So. It'S all good and do what you need to do. Right on, brother. Well, I'm Adam again. This is about you, your journey in music. And obviously we'll talk about the new music that you, that you have coming out and you just release. Early bird gets the whiskey.

5:43 And I'm curious to hear, you know, about what you have going on, but you always start with your, your origin story. You're from Columbus, Ohio, originally? Yes, sir. Columbus, Ohio, born and raised. Go Buckeyes, right? Yes, sir. Well. Even though we lose the most important game of the season every year. Yeah, we're still rooting for the bucks. Tough being a Buckeyes fan the last couple years, but hey. Oh yeah, dude. Well, my family's from Cleveland originally. I'm. I was born and raised in San Diego, but my family's from Cleveland and my dad's side of the family all still lives there and my mom, uncle went to Ohio State. I had a chance to go to a game with him one time. It was wild. Oh, that's cool as hell. Yeah. So, I mean, honestly, Ohio's everywhere, dude. It is, it's. It's honestly insane. For real. Trying to scoot my mic back. All good. There we go.

6:41 But yeah. So born and raised there. Columbus. What was that like? I don't know. I think we have a good blend of everything. You know, it's a very genre bent place. Is there a big music scene there? There are plenty of big artists who, who've come from Ohio, few from Columbus. But I wouldn't necessarily say there's a theme if, you know, I think most artists that make it. Go somewhere else and make it and bring it back home because we just don't really have that mentality, you know what I'm saying? And it's the people who are doing music don't really think that their dreams are going to pay off. I wouldn't say, you know, I think they're just like, ah, one day, man, one day.

7:36 Whereas if you're in Nashville or Los Angeles, then people are really like, they're chasing it. You know, I actually moved to Nashville like four years ago. Yeah, I've seen it. I'm definitely about to move to Nashville. Top of the year. Are you really? That's amazing, man. It's be. It's awesome here. Well, especially for, I mean, obviously it has the country thing, but for rock music, dude, everyone's in that huge, huge. And you're not far from home. Too with that? Not at all. You know, like five and a half hours. Yeah, it's not far. Perfect. Yeah. That's amazing, man. So did you stay in Columbus? Are you still in Columbus?

8:16 Yeah, so I always have a house here. Just because this is home based family. But yeah, we're getting another crib in Nashville too. Just because I'm to and from a lot. But once we get the house to Nashville, I probably will not be here as much. You never moved from Nashville? I mean from Columbus to go to like LA or whatever? Yeah, I lived in LA for seven years. Oh, you did? Okay. Yeah, so we'll get to that. Well, so how do you get into music? Do you come from a creative household? Like a musical family at all? My mom was just a fucking rock star and well, my dad passed when I was five, so all my influences really come from my mom. And she was real heavy into rap music and real heavy into rock music. So that. Right, that's awesome. Yeah, so that's kind of how I got the easy blend of. Of both worlds, you know? Sure.

9:13 Listening to Metallica and Tupac right after each other, it was just. That's awesome. What other rap did you listen to? I'm just curious. 90s? Well, yeah, I was born in 95, so that would have been my earlier years, but like middle school years to high school years when I started having like my own opinions and stuff. It was definitely. Lil Wayne was a huge influence, obviously. Eminem. I feel like you can't be a white rapper and not like Eminem. That's just blasphemy. But Kevin Gates, I mean there's, there's plenty of them for real. But I would say those three were the most influential, you know, environment for you. Yeah. As far as like you getting into music, I mean, obviously it was in your household and mom like, you know, Metallica and, and Tupac and everything in between.

10:07 But were you like put in piano lessons or anything like that as a kid or did you take guitar lessons or were you on the court choir or anything like that? No, never anything like that, honestly. Wow. Which. Crazy. I wish I kind of would have. I guess it's never too late. Right? Right, right. When do you start getting interested in like making your own songs? Did you start rapping? Was that how it all began? When I was like, I think seven or eight, I started writing like poems. Like it really started with poems and just learning how to rhyme the words just kind of like created something for me. And I like I was so young and singing to me Wasn't really like a sought out thing. I just more or less wanted to hear what I could put together. And then those kind of turned into raps and without me realizing it. And then when I started like figuring out cadence and flow and just different things, I was like, yo, I kind of, I kind of should just start rapping or like turning these into rap, you know what I'm saying? And that's kind of where it kick started. But when I was younger. I used to just watch all these like rock documentaries and stuff that my mom would have laying around the house, like VHS's and things like that. And it started with Kiss, like when I was. Oh wow. Yeah, when I was young enough to remember, I. I was seeing Paul Stanley doing that little,

11:40 you know what I'm saying, that little thing. And I would get on my toy box, play air guitar, jump off of it and that I wanted to be a rock star. But when I started writing poems, it was just like, oh, it's kind of rappy, it's kind of cool, you know what I'm saying? So yeah, that's just basically how everything played out. When do you start like putting these poems or to, to music or beats or anything like that? Where did you download like Ableton or some program like that in high school or anything? I would say middle school. So where I went to school at, it was a. There's you know, a few handful of rappers and where I went to school at, I mean, nobody was trying to be a rock star, I can tell you that. Okay, but I just being around the homies and stuff and everybody rapping, I was like, yo, I could probably do that too, like if not better.

12:32 And so we would down. We downloaded this program called Mixcraft back in the day and that was what like it was like the first form of auto tune, I guess you could say. And we're just like kind of learning and started making songs in middle school and then like as when I got in, by the time I got to high school, I was like, oh yeah, I'm taking it serious now, you know, learning how to make beats, things like that. I knew that I for sure I wanted to do that. And did you pursue that through? I mean like at that point were you like, okay, I'm gonna start putting music out? And like did you come up with, you know, a pro? Like was it like I'm this doobie's my project now? Or like that was years later down the line? That was years later. I didn't really know how to navigate That I was just like, yo, I'm gonna write cool raps and try to get it to sound the best I can when I record it, even though it was so shitty.

13:32 That was the more or less the goal was, was just, like, being able to hear my own tone, you know? I wasn't really. I was like, yo, I'm gonna make it one day. I don't know how, but it'll work. But, you know, none of us really, truly know how to navigate the industry until you're in it. Right. I think I got. I got expelled from high school, and I ran into the biggest DJ in Columbus, Ohio, and he found me, if you will. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, me and him together, basically. He, you know, kind of went through the artist development thing, started releasing songs, like, properly with videos, you know, he kind of taught me, like, how to do it the right way, if you will, shout out to highlight.

14:19 And that's where it started for real. Like, on a. On a scale to where it's like, oh, we actually might. Could do something for real outside of just making songs. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So you get expelled from high school, so now you have plenty of time on your hands, I imagine. Plenty of time. Nothing but time junior year, I think. Yeah. Okay. And then you end up meeting this per. How do you. How do you meet this dj? Like, watch him spin or anything like that. Or. I. I had a studio session. So one way I would make my money in high school was I would record people on my laptop. So I. I learned how to engineer and make beats. So what I do is these little packages for, you know, just local rappers in the city, like, yo, I got a beat, and I'll record a whole song and give you a beat for it, you know, for $50, you know what I'm saying? Or whatever the case may. May be. And it was one of them days where, like, okay, we're gonna go to a professional studio today, but I still need you to record me.

15:28 And I was in there with, like, 10 dudes for real, just recording their shit. And it was my turn to drop my verse. And as I'm dropping my verse, Highlight walks in to ask for a. A blunt rap. He's like, yo, anybody in here? Cause his studio was down the hall. He's like, anybody in here got a blunt rap? I'm like, oh, that's highlight. Like, what the is he doing here? You know? And. And then he heard me rap. I got a DM on Twitter, probably Three hours after that session at like, one in the morning, like, yo, you should come by my studio. I kind of like what I was hearing earlier. Came over there. He was like, yo, if you make a song right now, I want to manage you if it's hard. And I'm like, okay. Bet. Did the song right there. And then he started managing me ever since. No way.

16:16 Oh, my gosh. It's kind of random. Did you put that song out? Like, do you. Is that song out on your, like, Spotify or anything? That specific song never got released. That was more. He just liked it. He was just like, okay, this guy's got. It was more of the challenge. It was more like, okay, I'm here now. And he was like, yo, if you could make a cool song right now, I'll manage you. And I was like, okay, it's two in the morning. Just got here. Go. You know? Yeah. So you song was cool enough, right? Right. No, that's amazing. Did you work with him for a long time or do you still work with them now? Still with them a decade later. Wow, that's incredible. It's crazy.

16:56 For real. That is so crazy. So then you start. I know, I'm just gonna, like, Spotify. You put an EP out in, like, about 10 years ago, 2015 demons. And was that, like, the first project you had worked on with him? Yep, that was the very first project I ever, like, released. Like, being serious, like, you know, taking it serious. So, yeah, that was. That was the start of the Doobie era. My. My. My old. My. My first rap name was E Dub, because my original name, my real name is Eric Williams, so it's just my initials, so ew. And then when I met him, he was like, yo, that name sucks.

17:38 He's like, you're Doobie now? Yeah. I'm like, well, my homies call me E. Doobie sometimes. Just playing around, and he's like, well, just take the E off and just be Doobie. I'm like, all right, cool. That works. That's so funny. It's like if in the Facebook movie and the guy tells him. He's like, drop the. The. The. The facebook.com. drop the. Drop the E, Man. Just go, do. Just do me. It's clean. Yeah. Like, you're not. You're not that anymore. You're not that. So when. I mean, when does stuff. I mean, you had a massive record, right? Or a massive. Was that YouTube that really blew up? Drugs don't work. Was that like, kind of the skyrocket moment for you? Yeah, so that was years. Couple years later. So you must have been having some moments prior to that, I would imagine, or. So in the city.

18:35 In Columbus, like, we kind of went viral in Columbus first to the point where. A couple connections later, shout out to Struggle Jennings and Jelly Roll, who. Who were the first people. Jelly was the first person to bring me on tour. Really? Yeah. Back when he was rapping, this was. Dude, nine years ago. This is why Highlight was the biggest dj. For real. He was actually Jelly's dj. Wow. Yeah. So when I met Light, I was like, what the hell? This is Jelly Rolls dj. Like, what the. You feel me? And so that's how I kind of got the connection to Jelly was through Highlight and ended up on tour with him. We did probably two, three tours before Jelly got on a Yellow Wolf tour.

19:26 And I just followed the tour around, and I think three, four shows in Yellow Wolf was like, dude, you gotta be on this tour, too. And he ended up adding me to the tour. Really. Holy. Yeah. So, like, we're probably like a week out from the end of the tour, right? At this point, after I had already. We already, you know, went through half the tour, and for whatever circumstances that went down, the tour ended up just getting canceled. Overall, I think Wolf needed a minute to himself. So tour got canceled. I was broke as fuck. We were in Vegas, I think. Definitely didn't have no money to get back to Ohio.

20:07 So we caught a buddy of ours in Los Angeles. His name is Mad Child. He's also an underground rapper, and he's like the name. Actually, to be honest, he's pretty popular. He's from Canada, but he's like, yo, you can crash at my crib until you get on your feet, but it minds you. It's me and, like, four or five of my homies. And you're like, well, I got a few people with me. Yeah. So we show up, like, deep as hell, and he's like, yeah, you can sleep in my living room. And so that works out for like, a month and a half before, obviously, we wore out our welcome. It was just too many people in the living room, which. Understandable, you know, it's his house. Like, dude, we gotta get the out. So when basically we. We got put out for real.

20:58 We stumbled off kind of like. We stumbled upon kind of like a silent investor, but more or less someone who was just like, yo, I'm gonna front you guys a crib for a little bit. And so we had a crib. No furniture, no beds, nothing in it, just a house. And we're sleeping two or three people to a room. Air mattresses, every single one of us. And woke up to blow, put air in my air mattress because, you know, they don't hold air. And I'm checking my video normal day. I go to check it and it got like 30, 000 streams and like a couple hours. And I was like, light wasn't there at the time. So I called him, like, Yo, I think YouTube's bugging out. Like, something's not right on this. This isn't normal for me. You know what I'm saying? It's kind of bugging out. And I kept refreshing it and it said the same thing. And I'm like, something's going on. I don't know. But then it kept moving and moving. I'm like, yo, I think.

21:57 I really think we're going viral right now. Like, I don't know. But I feel like we are. And sure enough, you know, I would say a couple months later, ended up becoming YouTube's artist on the rise. And that song never stopped climbing. Still right now it's doing. It's done the same amount of numbers pretty much the last seven years, six years. Wow. With when the work. Yeah. So it's. That's the one that even started it. Like, it started with 30,000 and then it just never. It just never climbing. Yeah. Holy sh. Yeah, it's at like almost 38 million streams on Spotify. Yeah. And then, like. But it was on YouTube where it really kicked off, because right now on YouTube, I think it's at 120 million. Yeah, it's got like 120 million views.

22:45 Yeah, that's what. That's where it kicked off. Everything really started for me on YouTube. That was the. That's the place to have it start, though, from what I've been told, right? Yes. Monetarily, for sure. Yeah. They pay the money, get a Spotify check for like 60 cents for your support. 40 million views. So it's pretty cool, man. That's amazing. So that had to be life changing, obviously. Yeah. I started actually being able to, you know, buy. Now I can. I can eat a steak. This is cool. You know what I'm saying?

23:25 That's crazy, man. And then, like, you've had from that song. Did that bring people back because you already had a catalog of two years worth of music. Did people start finding your old songs through that, that. That record? They definitely started finding my own song. But once we caught wind, we knew that we had to milk it and get as much out of it. Because where we come from, that just didn't happen. So we're like, yo, if we have it, let's feed them. So after that, dude, we released the song, I think and video every two weeks after that or like month after that, just at a consistent pace. And. And it literally just kept funneling and funneling and it just kept getting bigger and bigger. And it was so crazy because the. When the drugs don't work music video, everything we planned went wrong. Really, everything went wrong. We ended up. The location was wrong, the camera people was wrong. Every. When I say everything went wrong, we ended up finding some random burnt down church in the middle of the woods. And the dude was like, yeah, my church just burnt down, but this is all I have. And I was like, yo, I'm sorry about that, but like, this is perfect. Yeah, like, can I shoot a video?

24:43 Everything went wrong today. You know what I'm saying? And he's like, yeah, man. I'm like, hell yeah. And so we, we had. It's a long story, but a lot of shit went just super bad to the point where I was like, damn, we just wasted all our time shooting this video that didn't turn out how it was supposed to. And then it ended up being the biggest. Yeah. So. Yeah. So different camera crew than you thought. The location didn't work out. You find this a church, a burnt down church. You use that or bar. I'm sorry, it was a burnt. That was a bar. Yep. Okay. Burnt down bar. And then. But the video ends up working out and then obviously then when it goes up online, it just goes crazy. Yeah. And the bar had burnt down like three or four days before we. There's still like smoke and it was like. You're inhaling in there. Yeah. Like, I hate that, I hate saying it, but it was like Loki like day.

25:39 Unforgiven situation. But you know, like unforeseen. I mean, but. Oh man. Okay, well, geez, dude. So then that happens and obviously it's just been kind of like you've been building and building and building off of that. Yeah. From then we realized, okay, now we, we actually have something. It's. We, we can, we can build off that. Like you're saying. Yeah. And. Yeah. Sorry, go ahead. No, and with the, with the jelly co signs and the yellow wolf co signs at that time, it was like, oh, this is like the new young version of these guys. Like so all their fans, kids were like listening to me. That's huge.

26:26 Yeah, it was kind of like a funnel effect. You know? Yeah, well, I'm curious. I didn't ask you this when you're talking about you. So you. Jelly Roll and. And Yellow Wolf were on tour, and you said that you followed them. Like, what, would you play in the parking lot or something? Like, how did you follow them as far as this tour? So. So Struggle Jennings was also on the tour. Okay. And I think I met Strugg about a week after he got out of prison. And when the. When Yellow Wolf asked Jelly and Shrugged to come on the tour, because Strugg, I think, at this time, was signed to Yellow Wolf. Flamerican thing. Okay. Yeah. It's label. Yeah. Yeah. So Drug was like, yo, I need a dj. And Light was like, yo, I'm only gonna go if I can bring Doobie. You know what I'm saying? Basically. Oh, okay. So I. I rode around with them. I had no reason to be there whatsoever.

27:17 And then one day, I'm just. I just keep popping up. And Yellow Wolf's like, dude, how the do you keep getting here? Like, I'm like, well, I'm riding with Struggle, but, like, I know I'm not supposed to be here. And he's like. He's like, bro, you're. You're the only one I've ever. Like, I've never seen this before. And I'm like, yeah, whatever it takes, bro. I don't. I'm not asking for nothing, anything. I just want to be here and learn some. You know what I'm saying? And he was like, nah, you got to be on the tour. And I was like, yeah. Damn, that's awesome. Do you want me to wash the front end of your car thing for the DJ set? It was. Yeah. Light was DJing for shrug and Jelly, that tour.

28:00 Wow. Yeah. So that was a wild time. And so now you're doing more. Like, your new record is rock. I mean, it still has the rap element to it. I feel like. I mean, in the verses and stuff, but it's definitely a rock record. Yeah. So is this, like, why did you decide to kind of. Well, you talked earlier about having both influences in your household, but, like, why now? Are you, like, you know what? This. I think it's a good time for me to. I want to pursue this. Well, every. Like, especially for my fan, like, my fans who've stuck with me all the years. All my biggest songs, all damn near 90% of my catalog is either sampled of a classic rock song or influenced by a classic rock song or musician. You know, one of my biggest songs is Nikki Stick? Yeah, sure.

28:54 I've got multiple records with using rock samples. That was like my thing. And I think that's why people like me because they're like, oh, he's using old classic rock songs and turn them into rap songs. That's cool. Yeah, and I just, I always been that way. And my, my style of rap wasn't really like the normal hip hop. It was still had a lot of rock elements to it and I just never full sended it. And I was like, you know what? Now's the time, man. If there ever was a time, let's just take it all the way, balls to the wall and actually do this. And I told myself if I was going to make, if I was going to do a rock record, I was going to really do it. Not, not one foot in, one foot out. You know what I'm saying? So that's just basically where, where it is now. Is this a new, like, direction you're going or is this just the first kind of song that you've put out that's gone this way? Oh, no, this is the direction we're working. We have a whole project right now. Oh, wow. Okay.

29:53 Dude, I love the song, man. I, I love your vulnerability in all of your songs and like, you talk about your, you know, your struggle with addiction and you know, even with early bird. Get the whiskey. The first line is, I wake up, I'm still drunk, you know, and I'm a guy in recovery, so I listen to that. I'm like, like I do, I relate to that. But how long you, you've been recovering? I've been in recovery for three years. Alcohol or drugs too? Well, alcohol six or seven now and drugs three. Awesome. Yeah, I'm four years clean from hard drugs. We're working on that. We're talking about. It's hard, dude. It's another battle, man.

30:36 Yeah, I, Mine was. Yeah, I just tried to swap and then it didn't work for me, but. No, but I was reading about that. Thank you. It's not easy. No. Four years for you, dude. Congrats. That's so huge. It's. It's a beautiful thing though. I'm sure you see that light at the end of the tunnel and you're like, dude, I actually can operate without these things. Yeah. Never thought like, if my mind just explodes. Yeah. There is another way to live. Like a piece of every day. Yeah. I'm not that bad of a person. Wow. Dude, I love that. I love that you're in recovery and, and, and that was what was so intriguing to me. When I was reading just your bio, I was like, oh, no, shitty. Because you have, I mean, a ton of songs about drugs and when the drugs don't work and smoking weed and all the. And then the early bird gets the whiskey. And I'm like, this is all. This guy's just talking about his life and you know, what he deals with, and it's.

31:35 Yeah, man, I love what you're doing. I really appreciate that, man. It's. It's kind of tough, like, when you come from the world of being the vulnerable person who's every. Every song. It may sound like I'm romanticizing drug addiction and alcoholism, but like you said, it's just me explaining what has either happened or what's going on. And it. And it. And it was that it was tough at first. When I stopped doing drugs, I was like, what the hell do I have to talk about now? You know what I'm saying? Like, this is my whole connection with my fans. That's genuinely what I thought. And then I was like, no, the connection is. The story is that we're going through the same shit and it's cool to be like, you know.

32:19 Yeah, that was. That was every part of me at that point in my life. And now this is. This is who I am because of that. You know what I'm saying? Right? Yeah. I don't. I don't regret anything that I did. You know what I mean? Like, it wasn't for that then I wouldn't be where I am now. And. Yeah, and I feel that with your songs too, because it's like somebody that might still be in it could still hear your song and relate to everything and you know exactly how that person feels, right? Yeah, I know exactly how you feel right now. I was there four, you know, four years ago or whatever. Well, tell me about early bird gets the whiskey then. I love. I love the song. Did you do that? You're talking about Nashville going back and forth. Did you do that record in Nashville?

32:59 So shout out to Andrew Bayless and Connor Matthews. Andrew Bayless is a godly rock producer. He's got plenty of credits under his belt. He also is very amazing in the country space, has produced plenty of records for Jelly Roll, things like that. But basically he's just always been a buddy of mine. I never full sended it into rock. So we never worked together. And we scheduled a session to work together, our first session, and to work on rock music. And it was just strictly supposed to be rock music. We actually, he Actually came to Columbus for this session. This was the first session, and I think this was the second song we ever recorded together.

33:45 No way. The second song, literally. And this was the second day we worked and we wrote it, recorded it, produced it all in three hours. What? Really? That's how I knew the record you're hearing on the. That you have up now. That's everything. Yeah, everything in three hours. Three. No way. I literally is the fastest I've ever made a song. And for it to have that quality, I was like, what the. Are we superhumans in here? Right? This is. This is. If this is possible. What the. It was. Damn. The chemistry was just there. And that's how I knew. I was like, yo, me and these boys, we got something special. I think.

34:31 I think we're doing the right thing, because I was kind of still one foot in, one foot out. Like, yeah. You're like, am I gonna release this? I'm. And people aren't gonna like it. Like, it's just the right decision. Yeah, we did that song. I was like, yep, full. Send it. Press the button. So you ended up doing a whole project then. So you have a whole project. We've been working on it. It's. It's sick. I think Early Bird was the first single off the project because it was the necessary transition record. So it still has the rap elements, but then it's more rock and rock. Oh, yeah. The chorus is a rock. It's.

35:11 Yeah, right. It's rock in. Kind of like the perfect record to get the fans ready for where we're going. Yeah. You didn't want to punch him in the face with just, like, a straight up. With a quick jab before you. You know what I'm saying? Knock him out. Jab, jab. We're gonna hit him with a couple jabs. And then when we put that knockout bow, Lights out. Oh, man. I love it. Well, how do you have. Do you have. Is the album done, the project done, or. Not yet? I think. I think I want to do two more sessions. Or two more weeks of sessions. So probably about. I'm looking to get about four to eight more records. We've got. We've already. I could release it right now if I wanted to, but I figured the more the merrier, because.

36:08 I want to be able to drop singles in between that might not have anything to do with the album that way. If I want to do features or sync placements, things like that. A lot of these records. We've been talking to a lot of people who are really trying to think them all these unreleased. So we've got a huge man, We've got a plan. It's hopefully finger. Hopefully it thinks. At this point. Right on, Doobie. Well, I appreciate your time, man. I got one more question for you before I let you go. I want to know if you have any advice to aspiring artists. The only advice that I'd have to any aspiring artist is to release as much music as you can. Keep putting content out there. Don't ever be like, ah, I'm gonna hold this back. No, just keep releasing it. Because the more you have out there, the easier it is for someone to be a fan. And I stand by that. Every time.

37:06 You know, you never know what's going to stick. We're. We're all. There's no true algorithm. There's no true rules to this shit. You're literally throwing shit at a wall and hoping it sticks. That's the bottom line. So just keep putting that shit out. Don't worry about if it's good enough, because you never know, it'll be the song you least expect. Promise you that. Bringing it backwards. Bringing it backward Bringing it backwards, Bringing it backward, Bringing it backward Bring it backward.