We had the pleasure of interviewing Sidney Bird over Zoom video!
Sidney Bird is a southwestern darling making a name for herself in New York City. Born and raised in Arizona, Bird holds her own in the western pop scene, alongside artists like...
We had the pleasure of interviewing Sidney Bird over Zoom video!
Sidney Bird is a southwestern darling making a name for herself in New York City. Born and raised in Arizona, Bird holds her own in the western pop scene, alongside artists like Kacey Musgraves and Leon Bridges. A true crossover act, she feels a strong creative impulse when home in Arizona, writing all of her songs there before fleshing them out with producers in Brooklyn.
“I grew up listening to Barenaked Ladies, Norah Jones, Joni Mitchell,” says Bird. “Then became obsessed with Katy Perry, Britney Spears––all the popstars.”
Bird’s background in comedy and musical theater fuels a deep love for world-building and storytelling: “Sometimes I feel like I’m playing characters through my music, using them as a vehicle to express honest and genuine feelings.” Her 2020 debut album “Bad Timing,” featuring singles like “Kisses” and “Wild,” has garnered over 1.7 million combined streams to date. In 2021, Bird followed up with her EP “Big Heart,” debuting the project live at Rockwood Music Hall at the end of the year. With a wealth of music ready for release and a dedicated community of listeners, Bird is well-positioned to make 2022 her year.
Sidney is super excited to share her new single "Brooklyn Baby" on February 22nd!
Here's what she had to say about it: "I wrote Brooklyn Baby a couple days after moving to New York. I felt so grown up in my new apartment, but part of me also felt super scared of how 'old' I was getting. I sat down with my guitar and wrote this song; it's about self reflection and growing up"
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Hello. It is Adam. Welcome back to bringing it backwards. A podcast where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how they achieved stardom. On this episode, we had a chance to chat with Sydney bird over zoom video Sydney was born in Arizona. She ended up going to boarding school on the east coast, took a year of college in Boston and then moved to LA to finish her school and then moved to New York. She actually wanted to be an actress, improv actress and comedian, but after graduating college, something clicked and she really, really wanted to focus on writing songs and songwriting. She talks about meeting a producer that ended up taking the first batch of songs that she wrote and putting some production to it. 4 (2m 12s): One of those songs ended up landing on a Spotify editorial playlist. We talk about that. The success of that song, the two EPS that she's released and all about this new record, that's done. She's going to release a song a month for the next year. And then at the end, put out the full record, the most recent songs called Renaissance, man. So check that out and you can watch the interview with Sidney and myself on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at bringing it backwards. It'd be awesome if you subscribe to our channel like us on Facebook, follow us on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik TOK. And if you're listening to this on Spotify or apple music, it would be so incredible. 4 (2m 53s): If you could leave us a five-star review, maybe a little comment, follow us on Spotify. We'd love that. 5 (2m 59s): We'd appreciate your support. If you follow and subscribe to our podcasts, wherever you listen to podcasts, 4 (3m 5s): We're bringing it backwards with Sydney bird. This podcast is about you and your journey in music. And we'll talk about the new record. Sweet. Cool, cool. My name is Adam, by the way. I don't know if I told you that, but all right, Cindy. So I did see originally from Arizona born and raised there, 6 (3m 30s): It's been raised. Phoenix. Arizona went to college in California, went to college for a year in Boston, moved to California. Then I've been in New York for four years in may, ever since. 4 (3m 43s): Okay. So did you go to Boston? To Berkeley? 6 (3m 47s): I went to actually Emerson college. I studied acting in college. I didn't start releasing in, I wrote music my whole life, but like never took it seriously. So I didn't start my artist project till I was 23. 4 (4m 3s): Okay. And we're, we're in California. I'm from California, originally San Diego state, 6 (4m 11s): USC, 4 (4m 12s): USC. I thought you said SD I'm from, 6 (4m 20s): And then moved here. Like the month after graduation thought I was going to could be a comedic actor. I did stand up and improv. I just like totally switched paths. I mean, I've always like saying I did off fellow growing up all of that stuff, but I just like put my stuff out on social media and I found producers. I found friends. I sound like other songwriters. And that's just how 4 (4m 48s): Amazing. Well, let's rewind a bit here. Cause I'm, I'm actually curious about the acting and comedy thing too. So born and raised in Arizona. And how do you get into music now? Your family is your family at all musical. Did you have any music in the blood or what? 6 (5m 5s): I think they appreciate it. I would say I was definitely influenced by my dad because he loves karaoke as like a silly thing. We would sing karaoke after dinners. I grew up singing like Michael bublé with him when I was seven years old. Barenaked ladies, Joni Mitchell. Very much like that era. So I think like as looking back on it, it was definitely an influence, although it was so silly and not serious. He's not, no one in my family is musical whatsoever. So I think that definitely influenced me. And then, you know, all of my I'm one of five, everyone like played a sport growing up and I tried to play soccer. 6 (5m 54s): My dad went to college to play soccer. So he would like coach my sisters, like w it was like a young, it was like an intermural thing, but you know, one of my sisters got really good. It was like, when I was in like the third grade, I was just realizing, this is really not for me. And I had done musicals when I was like five, but I was like, mom, dad, I really want to be serious about this. Like, you gotta take me to Hollywood. They were like, Nope, you're just going to do musical theater at our local theater. And then I went to boarding school actually on the east coast. Cause all my siblings had gone there too. I went to this prep school in Massachusetts and was so invested in theater and alcohol there. 6 (6m 38s): And I went to, I went to like this, I was called New York film academy one summer. And I was like, guys, you got to let me drop out of high school. I need to move to LA. And they were like, Nope, Nope, here's this path. And so then I went to college to study acting super seriously. And it was in college where I really dabbled. I like always had a guitar piano in my room. Same in high school. I never knew what I was doing with the guitar piano. It just kind of like, it was very therapeutic to me. It was fun. And so in college I interned at the tonight show, starring Jimmy Fallon and Saturday night live. 6 (7m 23s): I was so in love and immersed in that world. And I moved to New York just thinking things would happen. And I don't know, it was just like my brain, but all of a sudden it was just like, you need to focus on music. I think that that side in that life of me will definitely come back. Like my dream is to be honest. And now either from hosting or performing, like I love comedy, but my brain is so like, we need to focus on music right now. It's just what I, I don't know. It just kind of like happened. It was like a switch in my head. And so that is how it happened. And I like, I never thought this would be my path. 6 (8m 5s): I always thought my voice was too raspy or weird. I thought like you had to be like an Ariana Grande's type, pop star to make it. And that's just totally not the case. And you can be your own artist. And I like music, especially where I am right now. Just acting was awesome. But I felt like I was so not in control and music is so awesome because I'm writing my songs. Like I'm creating this world. I feel like I'm creating a character. And I think it's super helpful that I have this acting background because I'm not afraid to perform. I'm not afraid of social media. I'm really like, I get anxious, but like, I am pretty fearless when it comes to that stuff. 6 (8m 48s): So I feel like it all kind of tied together and yeah, maybe that will come back in my life. But right now it's all about 4 (8m 56s): Music. Amazing. Amazing. When did you start playing? You said you play piano and guitar. 6 (9m 2s): So like growing up, my mom kind of forced us to all take piano lessons, but I quit probably two weeks in. 4 (9m 11s): I'm curious. 6 (9m 12s): Yeah. Oh my God. Yeah. And then in high school she was like, I really think you should take all those music theory classes. Cause it all Capella, like they kind of made us do all these like choir classes, but I did not take it seriously. I just thought it was like fun to belt songs with my friends. And so when I did start taking this seriously after college, I like did a music theory class on the side when I was like working on jobs. So I definitely wish I had taken all of this much more seriously when I was a kid. 4 (9m 45s): So, but you're an acapella class. Like when did you start singing? When did you realize that you were, you could do that? 6 (9m 51s): What? I was five, like when I started doing theater, I always knew I could like saying I definitely wasn't good when I was a kid. I didn't take it seriously, but like I could belt crazy songs when I was like a toddler and like a child, but I thought I was just like screaming, but in high school, that's what I've kind of started. Like writing songs for fun, like on garage band, but never showed them to anyone. Okay. 4 (10m 24s): What made you do that? Do you remember? It was it just like a therapeutic thing? 6 (10m 28s): Yeah, it was just like, I feel so stuck in my head or like, oh, this boy is annoying me. And it was just so fun to see what I could create on my own. 4 (10m 40s): What was the first, like when you did that for the first time? Was it like, what made you go? You know what? I'm going to just try to write a song. Do you remember? 6 (10m 49s): I remember the first one I ever like posted on Instagram. I was . 6 (12m 15s): Spiral mattress, firm's sleep experts train over 200 hours to put you on the right mattress. Unjunk your sleep go in store or email@example.com today 'cause in high school. I wouldn't show anyone. I don't even remember what I was doing in high school, but, 4 (12m 30s): But even when you, when you even wrote it before showing anyone I'm talking about, just like to get the courage, to write it down and put it on a computer to where you can actually listen back to it later. You know what I mean? 6 (12m 41s): I think I just like was coming this thing and I was like, whoa, I think I just made that. I was like, I gotta write that down. Okay. I don't really like, no, it just was like, just cool. Like I have it in my head. Let's see what it would sound like. Not in my head. 4 (12m 58s): Okay. That was high school. And then when do you put it? You said you put a song out on Instagram. Was that late? 6 (13m 3s): Yeah, like in college, I remember it was when I decided to transfer because I went to Emerson college and then after freshman year, like wrote the song about moving to California and like being my boyfriend and I were still dating. So we were figuring out long distance and it was like 10 seconds or so maybe we were like, you can write music. And I was like, I don't know. And then in college, like nothing, I'm just kind of like on my own, but nothing I would ever post. And then when I moved to New York, I wrote the song about being in a breakup and then someone, it was so weird. I worked at WeWork. 6 (13m 44s): It was my first job just as a community associate. So I would like, I was just like the girl at the front desk, just like grading people. And I became friends with this one guy and because he had always left, I noticed he would leave really early in the day. And I was like, where are you going? And he's like, I'm going to music production class. And I was like, no way, like you, this is the one thing I can't figure out. I write a lot of music and he was like, send me what you wrote. And so I sent him the song and I remember it was like overnight, he produced it. It was super like bare bones production. But I was like, wait, I have 30, more of these, like, can you produce? Cause I had tried to like figure out, but it sounded so bad. 6 (14m 24s): And that was like the light bulb. I was like, oh my God, wait, I have like a million songs that I have for you to produce. Now. I would love to hear what they would sound like. And that was totally like the cause when I started this, I really wanted to be in controlling everything. Chelsea Cutler is like a huge influence on me and she produces a lot of her own music. She's great. 4 (14m 47s): I've had, I interviewed her for the show. Oh, 6 (14m 50s): She's amazing. And so when I was starting to do this, I was like, I want to be like her, like I want to produce because I read all my own stuff and I was like, I want to produce it too. And I just couldn't figure it out. It sounded so bad. So when I met my friend, Andrew, I was like, whoa, I can do this. I like, he just really made me believe in myself and made it seem more of like a collaborative process to which I love. And it was more, it just, I was like, wait, this sounds like a real song. And he's like, yeah, he wrote this. And I was like, great. I have so many more. Let's keep going. 4 (15m 26s): Wow. Did you release that first song that he produced songs about you? Oh, that's not that 6 (15m 31s): It's down. It's it? I like through this whole process, I have realized that I did not have a backbone at the beginning. I was just like, yeah, let's do it. That's great. And he's like one of my great friends now and he, I told him I took it down probably like a year ago. Cause I was like, it's just really not my sound. And it's not like where my journey is going. He was like, no worries. But he did songs about you. The second one, which is definitely more of the sound, but yeah, it's crazy. 4 (16m 7s): Okay. And this all started once you're at college and living in New York. 6 (16m 11s): This is yeah, like six months after college. 4 (16m 15s): Okay. But you are going to college to be an actor and you said stand up comedian. 6 (16m 20s): Yeah. That's 4 (16m 21s): What you're doing. Oh wow. That's talk about, that's got, gotta be real vulnerable, right? I mean it's I guess a similar to putting your song up online. 6 (16m 29s): It was really like, it was like really depressing. I didn't go to college to be a standard community and I, it was like acting, but my, my forte is definitely comedic acting. That's just what I gravitate. It's more. And when I moved here, it was like, you gotta be a standup comedian. It's just definitely the best way to showcase yourself. Cause if you're in an improv group, you're competing with a lot of other people on stage. Whereas standups, like this is you are going to see you and just you and I totally didn't love it. Like I felt super weird. Every time I went off stage, it felt like way too much pressure. 6 (17m 10s): It felt way too specific. And I just didn't, I love that I could write my own jokes and it felt like my own little show. I loved like I wasn't being another character. Someone wanted me to be like, I was completely being myself or characters that I had made up, but I didn't. I was like super hard on myself after the shows. And it's just, it's, it's very different than saying, cause there's one emotion you have to make the audience feel and that's humor. Whereas singing, like you can make them feel nostalgic. You could make them feel sad. You could make them feel romantic. There's so many options and there's so much less pressure, whereas standup, like they're coming to laugh. 4 (17m 56s): Right. And if you don't deliver, then they can even be rude about it. Right. I mean, when it comes to playing good, 6 (18m 4s): I just really didn't like that. Like it was so specific. 4 (18m 8s): Right, right. We're coming here and you better be funny or we're not going to apply to you at least if you're writing a song or singing, like most of the time people aren't going to probably trashy right away. And maybe they, yeah. It's just as different, a different vibe. 6 (18m 26s): It's a different energy. I just didn't really love it. 4 (18m 32s): Okay. So yeah. So songwriting, you, you put songs about you that was in that same batch of songs you were sending over to this guy or what? 6 (18m 40s): Yeah. So the first one was called 22 and it was just about like how scared I was after college realizing that I had no idea what I was going to do. And I started like songwriting thinking that I would never do that as a career. And then songs about you was in the same batch and then Andrew did wild, bad timing. And did he do the other song in the AP? In our no, no, no. My other friend did Arizona. My music theory teacher. Cause I was like, once I started kind of showing him all my songs, I was like, I need to take a music theory class so I can be more knowledgeable and just have a better understanding and all these sessions. 6 (19m 24s): And so yeah, he, we did this EAP and then I just started 4 (19m 29s): Beating on him. Bad timing. Is that the timing? 6 (19m 32s): Yeah. But then we kind of made it into an album because I was just like, like it says it's an album now, but when I did not write it as an album would just like, it looks better on Spotify now is just a collective album. Right. 4 (19m 47s): And songs to it that weren't specific to the record originally. Okay. 6 (19m 54s): And just through that, like bad timing, I met a bunch of other producers and people who have kind of just started following me on Instagram and like people I would never thought I would work with. And it was really just like being in New York and meeting people. And that's how I've met. Like all of, and now I'm working with one specific producer. We have an album done. It's been done for like almost a year. And now I plan on really saying a song a month going forward for all of 20, 22. 4 (20m 28s): Oh wow. Okay. Yeah. Cause you're 6 (20m 30s): Releasing singles, but then it'll be 4 (20m 33s): Yeah. Collective album. That's the way to go. Right? I mean nobody's unless you're a Dell dropping a record, isn't the best game. 6 (20m 42s): No one, my age has the attention span to care. 4 (20m 47s): It's crazy. I mean, it is crazy to think about that. Yeah. Well, do you put a record out last year to write the big hearts? The AP 6 (20m 57s): . Okay. So I did, it was like three singles before. And then the two last songs of VP. And that was like, I started worked with three different producer I, that was, that was really the first thing where I was like, okay. 6 (24m 22s): People kind of like when I first released my songs, I was just like, I'm putting them on the internet. I don't know how to promote them. I don't know how to do anything. I'm just like, here is here's my song world. And big heart definitely taught me the importance of take talk Instagram, like PR just as an independent artist. I didn't do any of that stuff. So I did like a little bit of PR, but not really. And so this year I'm really focusing. I didn't have a band. I wasn't playing any shows. It was also mid COVID. Michael project really started in COVID like I hadn't, I played a show with my friend with the guitar, like the month before COVID happened. 6 (25m 7s): I was like, guys, I'm really trying to be a singer now. And then COVID happened. 4 (25m 13s): Bad timing came on 2020, right? Yeah. 6 (25m 17s): COVID songs. So it was just like, I'm just, I was just like, I'm putting songs on the internet. I had no expectation of, I didn't know. I hadn't really had, 4 (25m 27s): They did really well for not having any expectation or like PR lined it. 6 (25m 34s): Kisses absolutely blew up by itself, which was crazy. Like discover weekly Spotify. 4 (25m 42s): Was it from Spotify? Never weekly. 6 (25m 46s): Like every Monday I'll get like almost 10,000 streams now from kisses. Just from discover weekly. Oh, 4 (25m 53s): It's still on there. Yeah. 6 (25m 57s): Wow. 4 (25m 57s): Yeah. That's incredible. 6 (25m 59s): And that's the only one that's really like Spotify as ever. It's an, I've never been on an editorial playlist. It's just been from like that discover week, 4 (26m 10s): But still, I mean it trickled at least to other songs. So people are definitely digging it and going 6 (26m 19s): Yeah, 4 (26m 19s): Exactly. That's amazing. Wow. That just, somebody just happened to stumble upon it. Do you know who found the song and put it on the playlist or anything like that? Really 6 (26m 30s): Literally 4 (26m 31s): Pluck the song out and was like, oh, this is cool. I'm going to throw it on this editorial playlist, 6 (26m 35s): I guess. And I've read, I found kisses from discover week. We might discover weekly or I'm like, I don't 4 (26m 43s): So awesome. Yeah. Wow. Did P once that thing starts going off, do people start contacting, like record labels and stuff are falling that editorial playlists? 6 (26m 53s): Oh, that's how I found my old manager. We just parted ways like about a month ago for the new year, which is all good. Like it was our collect, it was a mutual decision, but that's how he found me. So I was working with him for about a year and a half. And like I found kisses from Spotify and definitely other producers. And so that was super helpful. And once I found my old manager, that's how I got into like, that's how I met my new producer. He introduced me to like this BMI speed dating group that to this day, I think is like changed my life. Cause that's how I met Jackson. 6 (27m 34s): Who's my producer. And he's actually in my band. He's my guitarist. And he has just changed my life with the sound, the quality of my music. And he just produced Renaissance man, which is the song that I just released two weeks ago. And so kisses, definitely open doors, but like, I've been independent this whole time. And I feel like last year I was constantly like, why am I not with a record label? Why am I not? And right now I don't want to be at all. I feel so I was just so in the mindset that like in order to be successful, you have to be with this massive record label, which at the end of the day is my goal. 6 (28m 14s): But I've just seen so many artists, especially on Tik TOK in social media, just like blow up their own world in their own music. And they're so uncontrolled and they're so like hyped about their work in their project. And I was really not like that about big heart. I had no idea how to do that, but now that it's been a year, literally a really big, hard, last February, and now I'm starting to release new music. I'm so much more confident about posting, about marketing myself, about talking about my own music. That that's just not like my everyday goal right now. Like my goals right now are just to create a solid fan base that I am promoting online and just to play as many shows as possible. 4 (29m 2s): It's a hard thing to do. Right. I would imagine going overcoming that, like getting that confidence to be like, oh, this is my song coming on to talk about it because I still feel I've done it a thousand episodes or a thousand interviews. And I've been in radio for 15 years and I still feel like an idiot coming on and be like, Hey, check me out. Like, I, 6 (29m 23s): This feels like impossible, but I feel like the majority of my days, I feel much more confident than where I was a year ago. They definitely had very bad days where I'm like, I don't know what the hell I'm doing. 4 (29m 37s): How did you overcome that? 6 (29m 40s): I don't know. I just think, I, I think I just, when I was, especially when I started playing shows, I, cause I didn't do that before. And I was just like, I was so in my head, I was like, is this even real? Because it all felt like it was so like online and I'm not really like connecting with real people. But I had my first real concert in September and there were probably only like, it was like 80 people there and probably 20 didn't like know who I was. They just came because they liked my music. 4 (30m 14s): That's still 60 people that you pulled on your own. That's really good. 6 (30m 19s): Those were like, those were like my friends. Yeah. But it was like this other, 4 (30m 23s): You been getting your friends though. Like I have six, I dunno, this is speaking for myself. Like I couldn't call 60 people right now and get them to do something like that. Like, Hey, I'm going to be doing, I'm going to be hanging out here. Like, let's all just come there. Nobody would show up. It'd be like me and three people. 6 (30m 42s): I was like, guys, this is my first concert. Like, don't mess this up. Please be there for me. 4 (30m 48s): I mean, you know, like it's hard to convince people to go do something, especially in a city like New York. 6 (30m 56s): So hard it's this whole thing is realized, has taught me that it's so hard to get people to pay attention and to actually care, especially in New York, because there's so much going on. And then especially on the internet, like there are so many people doing the exact same thing I'm doing. And I 4 (31m 19s): Guess through the, yeah, the noise, right. I have 6 (31m 22s): A very like I'm. So I've been working with this social media, like consultant girl. And she is within the past, like two months, she has changed my mindset drastically because I was so afraid of like what people would think about me or I don't know. And she's just made it, like, obviously take it as seriously as you can. But then at the end of the day, like don't, it's, don't like a majority of these tech talks and what you're trying to get out is going to fail. So I like in my mindset already, like, I'm like, I'm setting myself up. I like am not afraid of failure because I think it's going to happen. 6 (32m 4s): So when it doesn't happen, it's really exciting. And it's really like awesome to see random people start to be like, whoa, Hey. Or like, I love that. Or cause I just mentally I'm like, it's not going to happen, but I want it to happen. That's just, it's what's worked for me. I don't know if it'll work for everyone, but I just set myself up to not have like huge expectations. 4 (32m 31s): And are you, cause I, especially with the format, like Tik TOK, I do not get it. I try and do stuff and just, I don't know. I feel like you have the people that are landing on the, for you page and getting all this engagement. Like it's to me, it doesn't make, I don't know. Again, I don't understand the algorithm at all because it goes back to like, what I've heard is with that platform. No one's looking, if you follow someone you're not going on the followings and of the gears, you can go to for you and you can go to following. Right. And no one's clicking on following. Right. And so like, but yeah, this person that has a hundred millions subscribers or followers are still getting millions of likes on their picture. But how would that happen if the algorithm isn't feeding? 4 (33m 14s): If you're, if it's not like Instagram, where are the people that are falling? They're the only people seeing your stuff. It just like, I don't know, to me, it just doesn't make any sort of sense. But that being said like, are you in that, like setting yourself up to quote unquote fail. It's just, do you keep, do you just post con like consistently, like what is your takeaway to it 6 (33m 34s): Three times a day now? Wow. I've just like Renaissance man is the only song that like other people, I mean only like 60 people have made videos to it, but I'm like, those are real people, 4 (33m 48s): Real people, right. People. 6 (33m 50s): And I'm like, this is so exciting. Like it isn't, but it's 4 (33m 54s): Like three real people that aren't your friends, that's not your best friend, your sister, whatever, like, 6 (33m 60s): And want to use the audio. Like that's so exciting. So I'm just like any number is real to me. And I'm not mad at myself that it's not in the thousands or whatever. Cause I'm like, this is really, it's the first song where I've really used Tik TOK to promote it. Like I was doing a day, one of me posting telling my son was up and I'm almost a day. And like one of the day three, I was in my car and I got like 300,000 views just cause I was in my car, singing it. And I was like, this doesn't make sense. Wow. I don't know. I just try and think that it's, I, it doesn't make sense, but like it works sometimes then somebody who doesn't, 4 (36m 16s): What? I'm not afraid of it. Whereas before I would like really not like to post on it. Cause I was like, there are a million other people doing this and they have music. Why should people care about my songs? And then I was like, people should care about my songs. Like I love my songs. I I'm doing this because I want people to relate to my music and to relate to my stories and all that stuff. So it's definitely like a mind game and it's yeah, it's important to like, I catch myself where I'm like, am I just writing this song for like a 32nd tick talk? Like that's not real art. And I've been doing that more definitely where I'm like, am I just doing this? 6 (36m 56s): So I can like have a viral moment instead of a long career of like writing albums, which is what I want. And it's, it's weird that it's in my, like I'm so new to my artist project. And that Tik TOK is definitely or just like any social media is so important. 4 (37m 15s): Yeah. Yeah. It really is because you got to keep people, like you said earlier, the people's attention span is so short. So if you get caught in it, then you don't do anything. And then you're, you're gone. You're down the street. Yeah. 6 (37m 29s): Like bond mayor. Wasn't worrying about this 10 years ago. I'm like, oh 4 (37m 36s): Right. But yeah, even going back to the label thing, it's interesting nowadays, like with an R and people's like seeking talent, it's a lot of it has to do with where you're already at. Like if you've already established a brand for yourself and you ever getting X amount of likes or whatever on your video and people are streaming and resharing it, like that's going to bring the attention to that. People are going to be like, oh, well this works so well. You want to invest in it instead of like, oh you're great. Let's put a bunch of money behind you. 6 (38m 3s): They want to invest in something that's already working. 4 (38m 6s): Yeah. And it's, it's unfortunate. It's fortunate for them and unfortunate for other people, but kind of on both ends because you don't have, if you're already succeeding, why do you need that? Right. You don't have to give your rights or your songs away. 6 (38m 20s): It's the whole kind of 4 (38m 23s): The whole of the industry. Yeah, for sure. For sure. Because now it's yeah. If you're already doing it, why 6 (38m 29s): I needed them, but now if you could really write. 4 (38m 33s): Yeah. I mean obviously if you want to take it, if you to be, you know, like you said, Ariana Grande's yeah, of course you're going to need the million dollar budget to push, you know? And that's another thing is like, these people are getting that much exposure because they're putting so much money behind the campaign and they have a million other things happening. Like she was on TV and doing the boys and the did. And it's like, of course it's going to raise your, your S your visibility at least. Yeah, yeah. 6 (38m 59s): Behind her. It's very interesting. 4 (39m 2s): It's crazy. There's such crazy psychology behind the whole thing. Well, let's talk about Renaissance, man. That's your new song? You said as long as it out for two weeks, it has over 67,000 streams on Spotify. So congratulations on that. Tell me about the song 6 (39m 19s): It's about, I love my family. So it's about the way I'm, it's like a love letter to my parents of like, like a thank you letter to just being appreciative of how they raised me and how they're so supportive of me and having a bunch of other kids, like I'm on a five and they just really gave everything to each one of their kids. And my sister, I spent a lot of time in Arizona during like the height of COVID. I left New York and I spent a lot of time. Yeah. 4 (39m 57s): That was a city that was on TV. Like I was 6 (39m 60s): Like, I'm not saying in my studio apartment with my dog. So I went home to Arizona for a while and I actually hadn't been home since I was 14 for that long because I went to boarding school and then I went to college. So I would really only come home for like two weeks at a time. So I was home for like eight months and I'd never spent that much time with my parents and my sister and her husband actually moved really close to my parents too. And they recently had their third child, so I saw them become parents. Wow. And so that definitely like influenced the song too. I just got really, like, when I moved, came back to New York after COVID, I just really missed my family. 6 (40m 41s): And then like started thinking about, maybe I'll have a family one day. And this was actually a song at co-wrote with, it was, I met these two other writers, Jackson and Madeline in my speed dating group. And I came in with the chorus and it was super specific with those chorus lines. But I was like, I don't really know where to go. And we just wrote the song so quickly. Cause I had so many specific, like I miss this about my brother. I'm assisted by my sister. I love this about my mom. I love this about my dad. And we have a lot of like family traditions and things I want to pass down. So to like my family, if I have on one day, so it's just about like me admiring them and then kind of hoping to have a family one day. 4 (41m 26s): That's so cool. A lot of people don't have the supportive household and especially five kids. I mean, that's pretty, it's pretty cool 6 (41m 34s): Feedback I've gotten so far has just been like, it's so refreshing to hear a happy song. 4 (41m 42s): Now many of them 6 (41m 45s): Know, especially about like parents and families, because usually they're like about like love and happiness, but it's like, it's so funny that there really aren't that many songs about just family love. 4 (41m 58s): Sure. That's cool. I mean, found a little niche there for that. That's awesome. And you said, go ahead. 6 (42m 5s): I just think that's why it sticks out. Especially on Tik TOK. I've been making like little things about like my family where it's, I feel like everyone right now is, are usually every song is just about like heartbreak. Right, 4 (42m 18s): Right, right. And that's going to be one song for, you said you have a whole record ready and you're going to release what a song. Okay. 6 (42m 25s): Yeah. So my next song is coming up February 22nd. It's called Brooklyn baby. And I'm just starting to like tease that. But yeah, I have, I technically have 15 songs done, but like 10 fit in this cute album. And that was like the one that I wanted to write. So I'm just kinda like, I don't have like a set date of like, I'm gonna really see album this day. I'm just really going to see what happens when I keep releasing these singles and see who reaches out and would maybe want to work with me and just go from there. 4 (43m 2s): Very cool. Well, I appreciate you being here and sorry about my tardiness for a second there. I love your, I love your story and I appreciate you doing this. I have one more quick question and I want to know if you have any advice for aspiring artists. 6 (43m 21s): Yes. Take a music theory class. Or like when you're younger, you know, take yourself seriously when you're young, but not too seriously. Don't beg your parents to move to Hollywood and then be sad if they say now I'm like, take it seriously. Write a song a day. If you are young and you're starting this, or if you're not and you think like, oh, I could never do this. Like shut those thoughts down and really try it. Cause that's like, I've never felt this happy in my life. I feel like I'm really doing what I'm supposed to be doing. I'm allowing myself to be creative, which I didn't really, oh, I allowed myself to be creative in different forms growing up. But like, I don't know. 6 (44m 1s): I, I wish I let myself do this more. When I was growing up into myself more seriously.