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Feb. 13, 2022

Interview with Julianna Joy

We had the pleasure of interviewing Julianna Joy over Zoom video!

Due out in 2022, the prodigious pop singer-songwriter’s EP Garden of Eden sits in the crosshairs of youthful innocence and profundity beyond her years. Its seven songs span escapist...


We had the pleasure of interviewing Julianna Joy over Zoom video!

Due out in 2022, the prodigious pop singer-songwriter’s EP Garden of Eden sits in the crosshairs of youthful innocence and profundity beyond her years. Its seven songs span escapist dance bops and contemplative ballads, taking musical influence from alternative rock, pop, classic rock, and psychedelia.

Co-written with Grammy-nominated producer Teddy Geiger (Shawn Mendes, Maroon 5, Lizzo), Garden of Edenincorporates these styles into an impressively uniform sound. Joy creditsGeiger’s abounding creativity and open-mindedness — not to mention her impressive roster of collaborators like Danny Parker, John Ryan, Mags Duval, Juan Ariza, and Evan Voytas — as a creative spark that helped expand her own artistry.

Full of synth keyboard and percussion textures, layered with acoustic guitar strumming and electric guitar solos, sampled strings, jazzy basslines, and more, the musicality on Garden of Eden seems to reflect the emotional chaos of its songs: Joy only graduated high school in December 2019 before taking a leap of faith to move from the Chicago suburbs to Los Angeles and peruse music full-time.

These themes present themselves throughout Garden of Eden. The hilarious “Teenage Boys,” which was written in the same iconic studio where Fleetwood Mac recorded “Rumors”, details Joy’s frustrations in dating. “Prescriptions” truthfully describes the struggles of finding the best mental health regimen. “California,” a haunting, yet uplifting ode to her new home, always sparks her synesthesia in hues of teal like the color of the water off the Pacific Coast Highway.

While the songs on Garden of Edenhighlight Joy’s growth and musical exploration, she’s been a prolific writer since childhood. Having composed more than 200 songs in her teen years, she attended Grammy Camp in Los Angeles at age 15, where she studied music with industry professionals, fellow performers, producers, and instrumentalists. By the summer of 2019, Joy returned to LA to record her first EP, Cherries, which was released in February 2020. And thanks to the focal track, “Cherry Bomb” (which has been streamed almost 1.5 million times on Spotify), she’s begun to lay the foundation for a loyal fan base across even more platforms — through Spotifyeditorial playlist placement (SALT) and Apple Music editorial placement (Breaking Singer/Song-writer) and several TikTok influencer playlists. Joy is currently signed to a publishing deal with Hipgnosis Songs.

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1 (27s): What's going on. It is Adam. Welcome back to bringing it backwards. A podcast where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how they achieved stardom. On this episode, we had a chance to hang out with Juliana joy. Over zoom video, Juliana was raised just outside of Chicago, and she talks about how she got into music. Taylor swift was, or still is a major influence on her from Juliana discovering her on the first couple of Taylor swift records. And finally seeing her on the red tour, which changed basically her life. Once Juliana saw Taylor swift perform, she went home and was like, this is what I'm going to do. She started writing songs at an early age, started showing people her songs around eighth grade. 1 (1m 7s): She had this vocal coach that she really, really respected and would bring the songs to her and she would give her pointers and notes on it. She talked to us about how she scored a publishing deal at a very early age, moving to LA around 17, 18 years old writing and putting out her first EAP cherries in February of 2020. Then the world shuts down she's by herself in LA and she ends up sticking it out, stays there and puts together this brand new EAP, which is called garden of Eden. And she tells us all about the song prescriptions and having Zane Lowe Bayview the song on apple one, you can watch our interview with Juliana on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at bringing it backwards. 1 (1m 50s): It would be awesome if you subscribe to our channel like us on Facebook, follow us on Instagram, Twitter, and Tik TOK at bringing back pod. And if you're listening to this on Spotify or apple music, it'd be amazing. If you follow us there and hook us up with a five star review, 2 (2m 6s): We'd appreciate your support. If you follow and subscribe to our podcasts, wherever you listen to podcasts, 1 (2m 12s): We're bringing it backwards with Juliana joy. My name is Adam, and this is about you and your journey and music. And we'll talk about the EAP coming up. 3 (2m 21s): Yeah. Sounds good. So 1 (2m 23s): Wheat, so where were you born and raised? 3 (2m 27s): Well, I was born in Indianapolis, but I grew up in the Chicago land area. 1 (2m 32s): Okay. How long did you live in Indiana NDA and Napa lists? I can't speak right now. Sorry. 3 (2m 37s): No, it's a, it's a fake city. Don't even worry about it. I think I lived there until I was like nine and then I moved to Batavia, which is where I'm from in like third grade. I want to say that's nine years old. 1 (2m 53s): Yeah. I think you are a nine and then maybe a, I don't know, no nine somewhere 3 (2m 57s): Around there. I stopped keeping track like five years ago. 1 (3m 2s): It's all good. So nine years and Indianapolis, and then you move and there that's like what outside Chicago is that you said? 3 (3m 13s): Yeah, it's like, I think it's like 45 minutes by train, like outside of Chicago. It's like right next to Aurora, which is the most like famous Midwest city. I don't know. It's a, it's a place that I feel like a lot of people recognize, so. Okay. 1 (3m 27s): Rad. So what was it, what was it like growing up the first nine years? Do you remember any of that before moving? 3 (3m 33s): It was wonderful. I lived a very picturesque childhood for that first, like nine years. It was like, like we had their neighborhood dog and like, I, we lived like next to like a sheep farm and it was just like very like rural and it was great. I I'm the only one that remembers it though. I have two younger sisters and neither of them remember living there at all. So I like, when I talk about it, they're like, I, I don't know. 1 (3m 57s): Oh, really? Okay. What does your why'd you guys move? Was it your parents' job or? 3 (4m 5s): Yeah, my mom ended up getting a new job in Chicago, but we also ended up wanting to move there. Cause my grandfather passed away in 2009. We moved there in 2010 and we just wanted to be closer to my mom's side of the family and they're all in all in Chicago. So 1 (4m 21s): Yeah. Very cool. Any music in your bloodline? Like your parents musical at all or 3 (4m 27s): I not really. I think like the only one is my great grandma, Vivian. She used to perform like on the radio at one point in time, like she saying, and that was like their thing, but like I'm the first like technical musician. 1 (4m 44s): Okay. And when did you start playing music? That's cool. Have you like, does she have, do you have recordings of that? I'm just curious now 3 (4m 53s): I've loved. I don't even remember what the name of her little group was, but I've looked and there's like nothing. So I have to like, feel like I have to go dig in some archives or something, 1 (5m 5s): For sure. So what drew you to music and how did you get into it? 3 (5m 10s): I think my answer is Taylor swift. I, yeah, I was so into her as a kid and I still am like a lot, 1 (5m 19s): But she was like obsessed with her. 3 (5m 22s): No, me too. I'm like literally would die for her. No, like actually like saying, I just remember like I listening to like hurt herself, titled album and fearless and being like, I love this. Like this is like given me like access to all these emotions. I've never felt before. And then I saw her at speak now in 2011 at hers speak now tour. And I saw her what like really confirmed me for me, like wanting to do music was seeing her actually like at the red tour in 2000, I think it was 2013 just watching her like make this whole production out of an album that meant so much to me. 3 (6m 3s): It was like super, super cool. And I was like, I want to do that. That, that sounds so fun. And she makes it look like it's like so easy and I want to like, I want to impress her. So that's like kind of how I got into it. 1 (6m 16s): Did you start playing guitar? 3 (6m 18s): I did. Guitar was the first one I learned, I started learning it in like third grade and then I got very, very attached to piano and like fifth. 1 (6m 26s): Okay. Do you still play guitar at all or just piano? 3 (6m 30s): I played bow. I'm not as great at either of them anymore. That's not a hundred percent true. I just don't practice as often, but yeah, I played both. 1 (6m 42s): Okay. And when did you start writing songs? 3 (6m 45s): When I was in like fifth grade, I want to say it was like lemon, but it could have been 10, but also I think it was 11. So 1 (6m 52s): Pretty shortly after you saw a Taylor swift? 3 (6m 55s): Yeah, no, like almost immediately after I remember like the first time I like actually tried writing something was like a week after seeing her live, which was like, it was, I was just in my room and I was like underneath my bunk bed and I was like, I had my guitar and I was like, okay, I know some chords, let me try, let me try some, some stuff. And then 1 (7m 15s): Yeah. Okay. So, wow. That's pretty early to start writing music. 3 (7m 20s): Yeah. Well, and all of that I wrote about until like probably eighth grade was all just, you know, substantial, like bullshit. It was not good. Like it was, it was okay. I don't even remember the songs that I wrote like before 14. So I'm scared if I ever find one, one day of being like, oh my God, this is where I started. 1 (7m 44s): Did you record any of it? It sounds like you might have recordings of that somewhere. 3 (7m 48s): I feel like I do. I feel like it's somewhere and I'm afraid of finding it. 1 (7m 54s): Yeah. You don't want to find it. Okay. Well you at 14 is when you started to write songs that you actually were proud enough to what show people or were you showing people prior to that? Okay. 3 (8m 8s): My friend group and my parents and my family just kind of knew that I was like writing music, but I don't think I like started taking it super seriously till I was 14 because Like, I don't know why. 3 (8m 51s): I just felt like it was really hard to obtain and it's still is, don't get me wrong, but I just worked really, really hard on making my songs sound good. And then when I felt comfortable enough to like present them to the people I like did. And then at the time I was taking voice lessons and one of the guys of the place that I was taking voice lessons, I was like, you wanna, I can do a song for you. Like I could produce it. And I was like sick. Okay. Let's do it. And yeah. So kind of started there. 1 (9m 26s): So he obviously knew that you wrote songs. Yeah. Okay. And were you showing these to your vocal teacher or no? 3 (9m 35s): Yeah. No. I would literally like every lesson that I would do, I would like go in and be like, okay, I wrote a new song. I'm going play for you now. And she'd be like, sick. This is awesome. Yeah. I got really encouraged and it was really nice, like being surrounded by so many people who like were like, you write songs, like that's cool. Instead of being like focused on something else. 1 (9m 56s): Right, right. No, that's awesome. You got validated pretty early on in your song writing. It sounds like. 3 (10m 2s): Yeah, I did. It's like really, it's really weird to me. I think about it all the time being like, how did anyone like, like I was like 14, 15, like I was nowhere close to where I am now. And I'm still like, I cannot believe all these people believed in me. It was like, just shocking. Just shocking. 1 (10m 22s): Once you like, tell me about getting the curves to show that song. The first one that you ever showed to somebody, was that at your vocal lesson, was it like, okay, I'm going to come in here and let her know or he didn't hammer her know I wrote this song, like how did that happen? 3 (10m 37s): Pretty much. Yeah. Like it was literally just me going in a vocal coach. Andrea was like, so I'm like starting to write music and like, I trust you. And I want you to hear this and tell me what you think and go from there. And then literally up until I moved to LA, I was taking voice lessons with her and I like play her, play her, everything that I had written. And I still send her all of my demos, like everything, everything that comes through. Cause I just, she's just an amazing woman. And she always gives me really good feedback. So, 1 (11m 11s): But she's a songwriter also. Is it just a shoe kind of help you with hitting the notes or whatever in the melodies, as far as your voice went? 3 (11m 19s): Pretty much. It was mostly focused on just getting me comfortable with singing and playing piano at the same time. Cause that's like a really weird skill that you don't realize you have to master until it's too late. I don't necessarily know if she was a songwriter, but she does so much with music. Like she, outside of being a vocal coach, like I know she does like band stuff and she like help us train people for musicals and yeah. She's like, multitalented, 1 (11m 50s): That's cool. Very cool. So from that point, like once you start writing songs, 14, 15 years old, do you, what do you do next? Do you start playing out at all or are you showing them to other people and what took you to LA like how'd you get to LA also? I'm curious. 3 (12m 5s): Well, yeah, well mostly when I started like writing songs, seriously, my main goal was to get them out on platforms. And so I submitted songs through tune core and then I put them out and I was like, here we go. Let's do this. And when I was 15, I went to Grammy camp, which was this wonderful camp hosted by the Grammy foundation for like music kids across the country. It was really, really cool. And I met some of the most amazing people and I started working with those people and like staying friends, like I'm pretty much friends with everybody that I met at that camp still. Like I would say they're still like in my life and that's, yeah, it's very cool to say five years later. 3 (12m 51s): And I like going to that camp gave me the confidence of being like, okay, like I'm not the only one who is like wanting this weird path that nobody else in the world expects to have. You know? Like these are all people who have the same kind of drivers to me. And it just made me feel very comfortable. And so I was like, okay, now that I know that like people think I'm good, who actually like, like, know what they're talking about? You know, like people my age, I guess, like I would be super weird about showing like anyone in my class, my music. Cause I was like, they don't, they don't understand. They don't understand this journey. 1 (13m 26s): Yeah. They're not in here. Right. They, they, yeah, exactly. They don't understand what you're trying to do. We're going through. 3 (13m 32s): Yeah. So it was just very eye-opening and then my mom actually was like, okay, well, whenever you want to get serious, like I know someone who knows someone and I was like, okay, cool. Let me think about that. And I thought about it for a year and I got, I like worked on my songwriting super hard. And then I went to Jamie Seretta with it. He's the, I think he's the VP co president of the hypnosis song groups. I don't know what his role is anymore. He's just, he's big, big, powerful dude. Big wig. Yes. And he's like an icon, amazing groups. 3 (14m 13s): And I basically, like, I sent him like 40 songs and I found out later that that was like a ridiculous amount, said like I was like, I like ordered them and like the like best to worst. And I was like, okay. And then 1 (14m 29s): Real quick, how did you get in contact with this person? Was that the friend of a friend that your mom knew? 3 (14m 34s): So my mom's friend was Jamie's college roommate. And so they like, they were like this and so I was like, cool. Okay. And that was just basically how I got put in front of them. And yeah, we just had like a call and he was like, this is really cool. Like let's, let's, let's keep this conversation going. And then, you know, what was that like two, three years later I was like, okay, I'm gonna move to LA. And they offered me a publishing deal, which was super cool. And yeah. That's how I'm here. 1 (15m 8s): Yeah. Okay. Wow. So you got offered the publishing deal bef with three years. You said three years ago or 3 (15m 16s): I got offered it in 2020, so two years ago, two years ago, actually like next week it was like February. I think it was February, like 10th is when I got 1 (15m 26s): Before. Right before COVID happened. Did you move to LA first and then COVID happened? 3 (15m 33s): Yeah. So I was here for like maybe four weeks before COVID took over and it was like so fun. And then all of a sudden, just like immediate shutdown, like I was across the country, this is my first time living by myself. Like I just turned 18 and yeah, it was just, it was a lot, it was a lot, I learned a lot, but that was a really intense thing to go through by myself. 1 (15m 59s): Oh, I can imagine. So you're in LA was a big I'm from San Diego and I know LA very, very well. And obviously it's a huge city and there's a lot going on. It's intimidating. Right. It's the entertainment capital or whatever. Now you're there at 18. You're living by yourself and then the world closes down. Like, do you, how long do you stay there? Do you go back home to kind of, you know, link up with your parents to be around people during this? Or, 3 (16m 29s): You know, I've thought about it. I think I remember telling my mom that I just felt like I couldn't go back. And it wasn't like about like, not being welcomed back because obviously like I'm super close with my family. And I think it was mainly just being like, if I can go through this pandemic by myself, then I can be comfortable living out here by myself. And so I just took that as like a personal challenge of like, I have to get through this somehow. And like I have my cat and that's, that'll be good enough. And so, yeah, I basically, I was just like, I don't want to leave. I didn't want to move my cat either. That was another huge point. I was like, I don't want to bring him on a plane. I don't want to take him to a place that has dogs. 3 (17m 11s): Like he, he's fine here. He's I don't want to leave him. Like, he's fine. And yeah. So 1 (17m 20s): Yeah. Well, real quick to rewind a bit prior to getting out to LA and landing the steel. When you sent 40 songs to this person, was that what year in school are you and where is that? When you're a senior in high school or prior to that? 3 (17m 33s): I think also sophomore. 1 (17m 35s): Oh, wow. Okay. So you still had a little bit of school left. 3 (17m 38s): Oh yeah, no. I was a sophomore and I, we like started doing sessions with Dylan gardener shortly after that. He's the wonderful human being who produced my first AP. And I think we just, we started doing sessions because after that phone call with Jamie, he was like, if you're ever in LA, like we'll put you in sessions. 3 (18m 33s): And then I was like, okay, I'm going to book a flight then like, I'm going to hold you to that. I'm going to do it. And then I did like a session before my, I want to say it was my 17th birthday. Yeah. And it was, we did a first session for nevermind, which was like the first song we started working on. And, 1 (18m 54s): Or was this the record that you're talking about that, that got produced? Cause I know this record came on 2020, right. The EAP. But did you have any peak before that one? 3 (19m 3s): I didn't know the 1 (19m 5s): One that you're talking about. Okay, gotcha. 3 (19m 6s): Yeah, yeah, yeah. So we started working on that on like 20, I wanna say 20 18, 20 19. And it was just like a one-off thing. Like I don't think anyone expected it to like, I don't know, expand further than it did. Like I think they all had faith in me and like I was a good writer and so on, but then my mom like got a call from Jamie like a month later and was like, this is, this is dope. Like let's, let's do some more stuff. And I was like, okay. So then I started flying back and forth between LA and the Tavia. Like I would go like once a semester and go for like five or six days and spend time writing and going to meetings and building connections, which were really cool. 3 (19m 54s): Yeah. I got very, very, very lucky. 1 (19m 57s): Well, did you put that record on 2020? Was that in February or was that after the pandemic had already had, 3 (20m 3s): It was February. I put it out on, I think it was February 14th. So it was like February 10th. I got offered a deal, February 12th. I moved to LA and then February 14th, this EAP comes out 1 (20m 14s): And then March 13th, the world shuts down 3 (20m 19s): A month 1 (20m 19s): Later. Oh man. Was there a big plans for the EAP? Or like how did that affect, I mean, it sounds like you had the whole record or you did have a little record done it out. Right. And then the pandemic kids, how does that affect like the, the projectory of like what you guys were doing with the record or what happened then? 3 (20m 38s): Well, it's kind of funny. So we didn't have like any quote unquote plans. We just wanted to put it out and then like shop it around, see what people think of it. And that went great. And then the world kind of shut down as we were starting to like plan to do live shows and like talk about like going in front of labels and stuff and like, yeah. So that whole plan kind of fell apart. But then like during the pandemic, I ended up being able to work on this next CP. So I was like, you win some, you lose some cuts. Okay. Cherries did amazing on its own. So 1 (21m 16s): Yeah. I mean there's a lot. Yeah. A lot of the songs that are really well I'm looking at Spotify numbers. One of them has well over a million and a half plays. Yeah. That's amazing. 3 (21m 27s): So mind boggling. I'm like, I don't understand how that happens. 1 (21m 31s): That's so cool though. And so you start working on this new record, it's garden of Eden and how quickly are you working on that? Like, is that record out? And you're like, okay, I'm here by myself. I got my cat now I've got to start working on what's next. 3 (21m 47s): Pretty much. Yeah. So the you're supposed to start the EPA in may of 2020, like start doing production. They score it. But Teddy Geiger, who did the whole BP with me, she was stuck in New York up until like the beginning of June. And it was like, it was at that time where like New York was like the worst place to be for COVID. So she was like, I don't like, I don't like zoom sessions. Like I let's just wait until I can fly out there and quarantine and then, then we'll do it. 1 (22m 20s): And so she didn't want to do zoom. 3 (22m 23s): No, she's not a zoom person. 1 (22m 25s): That's cool. I mean, there's something about that, right? I mean, some people just, I mean, obviously she's like, no, no, no, no, no. And other people kind of dig it and I've all, I've heard a lot of mixed feelings on zoom. Have you, were you working on zoom at all? Prider to her producing with you? 3 (22m 39s): I was, I was writing on zoom, like probably like two times a week or two to three times a week. Yeah. It was a, it was a period of time. I liked it. I liked it for the time being, but I much prefer writing in person. So, 1 (22m 54s): So she gets out and then how does that change the game or change the record or if it did 3 (22m 58s): It, basically, it, it basically was just like, I would send her demos and I'd be like, okay, here's what I think is good. Should make the EAP. And then when she came out, it was basically just me quarantining constantly. Cause I was so afraid of getting COVID and having this process like pushed even more. And so I would, I would like quarantine, I would get tested and then we would go into the studio for like four days and then do like a week off. And then like pretty much the whole summer was this just studio break, studio break. And then like just constantly getting tested and making sure that like, we're not putting ourselves in danger at all. 3 (23m 41s): And you know, and it just basically like that until like October. And then we went into a studio, we went into sound city. 1 (23m 54s): Yeah, 3 (23m 55s): Yeah, no, it's the coolest experience ever. 1 (23m 58s): I heard. There's like an energy in there when you walk in, it's just like this just crazy presence. 3 (24m 5s): It is. And like there's a wall under the studio that I was in. There was like a wall where like all of the people who had like been in that room, like sign, then I was like looking over and I was like, can't get the disco. Like I think let's be like, basically like every single thing. And I was like, this is the coolest thing that's ever happened. So we did that. And 1 (24m 27s): Then it was a smaller room. 3 (24m 30s): I think I was in room B. So I think that was a smaller room, but we got like to Torres like the studio itself too, which was really, really cool. Like getting to go into like, I have like a chamber that's just for vocals. And it's like, they were like, yeah, this is where like Stevie did all her vocals. And I was like, 1 (24m 51s): Oh my God. Only saying like one of the best records ever written in there. Right? Yeah. Tom petty recorded. Oh really? Okay. You're huge Fleetwood Mac fan. 3 (25m 3s): I am no, I w I took a music history class when I was in high school and we did like a whole week on that record. Yeah. No, it was coolest class ever. And I was like, okay, dream, dream location is to record there now because we like literally watched the documentary on it. Like it was, 1 (25m 24s): I was going to ask you, did you, have you seen that Dave Grohl like owns the Odin's the board now, right? 3 (25m 29s): Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's funny. Like when you go there, it's like the wifi is literally called duke roll and I'm like, I like this. 1 (25m 40s): That is so awesome. Wow. Wow. What an experience record this record there. And that's, that's amazing. 3 (25m 50s): Yeah, no, it was insane. And I think about it like all the time, like it's definitely set like the standard for how I want each one of my projects to go. It's like, I want to bring it into a studio and hear it on studio speakers. And I want to record live stuff and have it like exist on the songs. And yeah, like I was, I was obsessed. It was so, so, so fun and yeah. And then we would just, you know, COVID came back and all of a sudden always does. And so we had to put the record on pause for like four months while LA was in the worst of it. And then, and then, yeah. 3 (26m 31s): And then we were like, okay, EPS, like mainly done Teddy mixed the whole thing. And then it was just literally deciding when to put it out and yeah, 1 (26m 42s): It's coming out February. Yeah. A huge premiere right. Of prescriptions. I mean, Zane, Lowe's one of the biggest, you know, tastemakers. There are, 3 (26m 55s): I know I like stopped breathing. Like I took a video of myself, like reacting to it and it's just like me, like blank face, like, like the entire time he's like talking about my record, I'm talking about prescriptions. Then when he said my name, I was like, oh my God. It was, it was so, so cool. And I like, oh my God, I like want to go. I want him to do that for every song now I'm like, so, so cool. And I don't like hearing my name on the radio. Like that was always a dream. And I got to hear that and it was so cool. 1 (27m 33s): That's amazing. And tell me, it will tell me about prescriptions. That's the new single, the latest, 3 (27m 38s): Yeah. Yeah. So prescriptions it's kind of just about, okay. So when I was in high school, my senior year, I went through like a very serious battle with depression. And it was like to the point where like, it got so bad where I would like cry because it was going down the stairs was too hard. Like I was like, I don't like, I cannot do this. It's like too much. And I was in this relationship where I wasn't allowed to talk about my mental health, like at all, which to this day, I'm still like, how did I not see that as an issue? But like every time I would talk about being depressed or like being anxious or having a panic attack, he would basically be like, I don't want to hear about it. 3 (28m 19s): Like, I don't want to talk about it. And 1 (28m 23s): For the anxiety, 3 (28m 24s): Right. It just shut me down. 1 (28m 26s): Yeah. I come from that world and not the world of doing that, but having horrible anxiety and depression. So I know I'm, I'm, I'm feeling you when you're talking, but wow. To have somebody that just straight up tells you, like, I don't want to hear about it. 3 (28m 38s): Wow. Yeah. Well, and then it's like, you know, that's, that's like the whole standard of like, okay, well, if I can't open up to this person, who's supposed to be my significant other about it. Who am I supposed to open up to about it? Cause that's like supposed to be the person. 1 (28m 53s): Yeah. Right. Supposed to be able to confide in that person and yeah. Tell them what's going on. What's happening with, 3 (28m 59s): Yeah, I was stupid. And I basically decided I would go on medication to kind of like appease him, of being like, Hey, I'm going to actually like make an effort to try to be better because like, it's obvious. You don't think I'm trying. And then I like went through like the whole, like mental breakdown of like, oh my God, I have to be on medication. Like being on meds means you're broken. Being on meds is like, you know, the worst thing about, you know, whatever. And 1 (29m 32s): I mean, the one that actually works and like, yeah, it's just like a whole nightmare itself. 3 (29m 38s): No, it's a hundred percent is. And especially because there's so many like options and then like, I'm on my third anti-depressant right now. And I'm like, if I have to switch again, like I seriously, I'm going to like lose my mind. Like actually, like it's so much work. It's so much work. And so yeah, the song is basically just about all of that, of like all of those motions of being like, I have to go on medication. I don't want to be on medication. I don't have an outlet to talk about my mental health and the way that I would like. And let me just put this into a song. And then I did. 1 (30m 17s): Wow. Is that, I mean, talk about vulnerable. Was that hard to do, to like show that to people or, you know, that I can, wow. 3 (30m 26s): I feel like every song on that, on the CP was vulnerable for me in some way, especially cause that was like my it's like my first real relationship. So it was also my first real breakup and my first real, like, like I had to be an adult when I was like 17 and I had to do like a bunch of grown up things that like, nobody else in my class like had to do. Like I knew I was moving to LA and I knew that I wasn't going to college. And I knew that like the relationship I was in was gonna end and like, I just basically like had to force myself to do stuff every single day. Cause it was, I felt so much like internalized pressure on like needing to do everything and like show like a, like a straight face and like keep the, keep it up. 3 (31m 12s): And yeah, it was, it was a lot. And I think about that all the time and I'm like, I don't even think I could mentally handle that now. I don't know how I did that then. 1 (31m 23s): So a lot of these songs, like, I mean, obviously you had a tight or like put yourself back in that mind frame or like really sounded like ideas already kind of happening as you were that. 3 (31m 38s): Yeah. They were all kind of like written during the relationship. And then, then like the last, like two months after we broke up. So it was all like, I was like basically predicting the future with my writing, you know, being like, Hey, this isn't going to work. And I don't like how this is going and you kind of suck, but I don't want to tell you that because I am desperate to be loved. And, and yeah. So then like after I feel like it was like every song prescriptions was actually like the last one that I originally wrote for the record, because there was seven, I was only supposed to have like five. 3 (32m 19s): Yeah. But like thinking about it now, I'm like, I'm so glad that like I had that insight because I feel like I like wrote songs about the relationship after we broke up and definitely just tears at me. Like I don't like reopening that wound to try to like write some. So I, I wrote like one final song, like six months ago about it. And I was like, I'm never writing about it again. Like that hurt a lot. I don't want to ever do that again. 1 (32m 50s): Do you feel like it's therapeutic to finally just be like, it's all there. It's out. Okay. Let's move forward. 3 (32m 56s): Yeah. A hundred percent. It's like, it's nice because I feel like my songs are vague enough where like I could really, like, re-establish what it means like five years from now and be like, Hey, this is still relevant to me. And here's why, and like have a different reason, but it's definitely, definitely a very vulnerable process. I feel like I, the only way I ever truly get really vulnerable is through, through music. And it's definitely a lot being like going in with like some of the greatest songwriters in the world. Like, Hey, hi. Yeah. I wrote this sad song. 3 (33m 36s): That means a lot to me. Like it please. And then yeah, they all did though. Teddy liked all of it, so 1 (33m 46s): That's great. And obviously the, the song is doing awesome. And the record you wrote before that is awesome. So I can only imagine that what you've got going on now is going to be incredible on congratulations on the album or the, 3 (34m 0s): Yeah. I feel like it shouldn't be an album, but like if it's totally new, like, I always just say record. Cause I'm like, it's in between that. Like it's not real. 1 (34m 9s): There you go record. I like that. I like that. Yeah. Well, thank you so much for, for doing this. I really, really appreciate it. 3 (34m 17s): No, thank you for having me in letting me spew for like 30 minutes. I'm like, I'm literally going to go be so talkative after this 1 (34m 27s): That's out there. You're going to be like, I'm going to go out and be just so like drained after this. 3 (34m 32s): Oh my God. No, this was like my start. Like I came back from my chiropractor appointment and I like, hadn't really said of words. So I was like, okay, this will, this will like wake up my brain and like forced me to talk. I'm one of those people that takes a couple hours 1 (34m 46s): To get gone right on. Well, Juliana, thank you again. I have one more question for you. I want to know if you have any advice for aspiring artists, 3 (34m 58s): Just go for it. I was told all the time to not go for it and I just did it out of spite. And so I did it and it feels really, really good. Like when someone from my hometown damns me and is like trying to get cloud from me and I'm like, ha ha, I did that. So just go for it. Just go for it.