BiB: Waylon Reavis: From Mushroomhead to A Killer’s Confession: The Real Story, Rumors, & Redemption

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What is going on? It is Adam. Welcome back to Bringing It Backwards, a podcast

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where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal

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stories of how they achieve stardom. On this

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episode, we had a chance to hang out with Waylon of the band A

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Killer's Confession over Zoom Video. Whelen was

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born and raised in North Carolina and talks about how he got

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to music. He grew up in a rural area and

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didn't even know being a musician. Or in a band or any

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of that was possible. It wasn't until he was 15 years old,

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his friends were jamming in a. In a garage of sort and

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he came in and he's like, wow, you. Guys can do this. This is cool.

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So eventually he started to sing with these

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buddies and that's how Waylon formed his very first band. He talked

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about some of the early opportunities that band had, like opening

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up for Mushroomhead. Years later, he became the singer of

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Mushroomhead. He talked about his time in that band, leaving the band,

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forming A Killer's Confession. Waylon also squashes some

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rumors that are floating around about Mushroomhead

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and himself. So you'll get that piece in this interview.

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But he dives real deep into this brand new album. It's

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called Victim One. He said it was the hardest album he's ever had to write.

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He talks about some little Easter eggs in the album, how it actually ties back

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to the very, very first A Killer's confession record called

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Unbroken. And it's just an amazing conversation.

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So you should definitely check out the video version of our

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conversation with Waylon on our Facebook page and YouTube

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Bring it backwards.

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Bring it backwards. Bring it backwards.

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Bringing it back. How are you doing?

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Hey, how's it going? Another day in paradise. Just getting home from

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tour. Right on, man. Well, I appreciate you taking the

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time to to hang out and chat. Thank you.

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Awesome. Awesome. Well, I'm Adam. Very nice to meet you. Nice to meet you. I'm

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Waylon. Are you in Cleveland now? Is that what

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I'M right below Cleveland. Yeah, we, we moved to

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Florida for a while and now I' Cleveland. That's amazing.

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I'm. I was just up in Cleveland. I'm in Nashville now. I'm from San Diego,

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but I was in last week.

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Yeah, we're. We came back two years

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ago to Cleveland because Cleveland's like the real home base for AKC

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because Mushroomhead country and is kind of where I

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launched a band. So it's kind of just the home territory and

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it's just smart. Like being in the Ohio area, like,

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honestly is a great place to be if for any way

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to go start a tour, like, think about you right there in the Midwest so

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you can go. You know, if I want to go to New York, I'm just

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a few hours away. If I want to go to Nashville, I'm a few hours

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away. I like Chicago. Chicago? Yeah, yeah.

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It's just kind of like a hub where it's like, you know, this is not

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really the bad place to be based out of. Right, right. Yeah.

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And my. I have family that live like east or west, I guess

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west of Cleveland in like Lorraine area. So they're like right by the

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lake. I mean you have Lake Erie and it's. The cost of living is way

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cheaper and. Oh dude, the cost of living is the whole reason to live here.

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Like the cost of living. Like we were in Florida and I just watched

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the prices of everything skyrocket throughout Covid

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because everybody kept coming to Florida throughout that whole time. And

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like our rent, we were, we planned, we moved down there and we planned on

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building, but we rented to see what we want wanted, you know, just like, okay,

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let's rent and start looking around, see what you like. Sure. And like

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if we see something we want to buy or do we want to build, you

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know, it's like we went down there and our. It started out, it was like

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fifteen hundred dollars a month for fifteen hundred square feet, which is

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like, you know, you look as a. It's a hundred dollar square foot. So.

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Yeah, that's crazy. And when seriously, like

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that's what you're paying and then there's no basements. There's no. None of

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that. I didn't like that. I don't like Florida house plans.

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I don't like that. It's just like it's on a concrete

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slab. I just don't like that. I just never like that. But we,

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when we left, they had tried to take my rent from

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1500amonth to 3000. And I was like, no,

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I'M trying to double it. That's crazy. It's still

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like that. And I'm like, no, we'll go to Ohio.

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And yeah, I'm paying less and I have

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more. Yeah. 100. Oh, my gosh. That's wild.

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Yeah. Double your rent. Like, how? Yeah, I don't. I can't even. They could get

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it that they did it because they could do it. Like, like, everybody. It was

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just a hot spot, and it was like, you know, you can have this because

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I don't want to. This a is not worth this type of

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money. I don't know who's going to pay $3,000 a month

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to live here, because this is not that cool.

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That's wild. Well, I appreciate you taking the time today

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and doing this. Yeah. I always start off kind of with your.

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Your origin story. Are you originally from Cleveland area? No, I'm

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originally from North Carolina. Okay. From the mountains of North

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Carolina. Place called Wilkesboro, more known

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for, like, North Wilkesboro Speedway, nascar. Like, really

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the mountains of North Carolina. The Blue Ridge and the

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Smokies is where I'm from. And back in

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2004, I joined the band Mushroomhead, and I came

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from North Carolina to Cleveland, and I stayed with mushroom head from

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04 to 2015, and I took

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a year off. And then I created A Killer's

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Confession. And we're here today. We're here today.

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I don't know if you mind talking a little bit about Mushroomhead, just because I'm

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curious, because you joined the band after they had. They were around for a

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little bit, right? Yeah, they had been around for. Already when I joined the band.

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They had been around for 11 years at that point because they started free

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and the band, like, that's the thing. The band already had a legacy,

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especially here in the Cleveland area. And it was a real hard

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thing to do. And I don't suggest this for people. Like, if you want to

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join a band joint, don't join a band that's already got famous and

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already has a legacy because, man, that you just made your job

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way harder because, like, you've really got to earn it.

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And I spent a lot of years in Mushroom just trying to earn the

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fans respect because, you know, I was the guy coming in. You know, it's like

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replacing a. A Cleveland legend. And it was.

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It was definitely difficult, you know, but it made me the man I am

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now because, like. Because, like, it wasn't

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just given to me if that. If that makes it. I had to earn anything

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I got. I had to earn oh, 100. That's what I was thinking. Like, it's

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not like, oh yeah, I got. I'm in Mushroomhead and they're already a

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famous band. Like, you know, easy, easy money. It's more like,

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no, now you have to gain the respect of everyone that liked the band prior

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because they're going to be like, guy, this is the guy that we're used to

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seeing. Who's this new guy? And. And their fan base is a very cult fan

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base. And I'm not saying that a bad way. It's just very like

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they are hardcore, right?

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You love Mushroomhead. You love Mushroomhead and very

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hardcore. And it earn their respect. If you earn the mushroom fans respect,

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you have done something correctly and that. I'll just

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leave it there. Well, how did you get

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into music? Do you come from like a creative household or musical family at all?

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Hell no. Hell no. I don't know

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where the like nobody in

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my family, not one. I can't think of

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any musical influence.

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Farmers and hard working men. And just like

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my family was not musical at all. And just. I just. My buddies

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were in a garage playing music and I was like, hold

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up, you can do that? You know, I had no clue about

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being in the band or how bands were created or how the

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industry worked. I mean, I'm from the mountains of North Carolina. How would I know?

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You know, it's like, it's not like we were tapped into any kind of musical

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scene other than bluegrass. And most of those guys plowed the farms

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all day and then picked a banjo up at night. So like

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really like that type of deal, you know, like we're.

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Is what you did. So my buddies were like playing music

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one day and I was just. I kind of walked up on it and I'm

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like, you can do this. And like, yeah, I'm like, cool, I want

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to do it. And that. Boy, when I started, I

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sucked. Like, I mean, like I took every bit of

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suck that was in the room and I took it all. Like

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it didn't matter how bad you were, if you went on after me, you were

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great.

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So was that like the first band you play and what age were you when

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you started? I was 15, 14. 15 years old when I started.

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And you know, which I had. I'd never even been to a

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concert. Like, I, like, I was. November,

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May 5, 1995 was my first concert. I was

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16 years old. Wow. What did you see?

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Are you playing it? Oh, no, no, I was. I went and seen Korn,

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Meryl Manson and Danzig Was my first concert ever. Ye.

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Damn, that's awesome. And it was. And Corn opened and this is when

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Self Titled came out and Manson was on the Portrait of American Family

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tour. Oh my God. And you talking about blowing my

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damn mind. But as soon as I left that show, I was like, yep, this

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is what I want to do. This is awesome. And

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like, totally got into that. And just like I, my

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buddies will tell you if you ever in North Carolina, like I told

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them, I was like, I'm going to make it. And they all made fun of

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me. They're like, yeah, right. And then I'll go back like, well, you didn't

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lie to us, right? You're like, years later I'm gonna be on

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a song and performing with, you know, Brian from.

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From Core. And, and you know, I think that was a

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lot of. It is. I had a lot of drive. Like it was a lot

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of. I'll show you. Back then. It wasn't

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like I never cared about fame, like, if that, if that

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makes sense. I don't care about fame and I didn't really care about the money.

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I care about like the show and the, the reaction

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of people. Like. And you know, some people could say that that kind

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of goes in the thing, but it does. It's like, I know that you took

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your hard earned money and you spent it to watch

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me do something. I want you to be happy with that.

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And I get more enjoyment watching like,

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like, kind of like to put it in like wwe, like a crowd pop.

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That right there is what I'm in it for. To just hear that pop

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and the rest of it just, you know, comes along with it.

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Like, I mean. Yeah, and I was gonna say like the,

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the way the, the bands you're in, it's. It's a performance

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piece in itself too. It's not like you go out looking the way you're,

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you know, you're not wearing that and like, so somebody's gonna see you. And you

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know, I'm more like this. Right, right.

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That's what I mean. Like, it's not like you're super

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recognizable when you walk outside and that's what you're going for.

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And I tell people that too. It's like, this is not. You don't want to

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see this dude on stage. This dude, I'm dad, I'm a nerd.

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Like, I'm going to be playing a video game, reading a comic book, watching

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a movie or something. You don't want me on the stage. You want him.

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And he's definitely A different guy. Let him out

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an hour a day. You know, take him out for a walk, put him up,

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he's good. But like, I'm all about the entertainment value.

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I'm all about like you, you just spent your hard money to.

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Hard earned money to come see me. I'm going to make sure you leave with

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a smile. Doesn't matter what I've got to do. I'm going to make sure that

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happens and the rest of it, you know, it's like when I come

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home, I just want to go crawl. Like I said, I will crawl on a

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rock. I don't want to be seen. I'll go to Walmart. I'm

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good. You know, it's like I like that quiet life. Well, so

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you are in this band of 15ish. You know, you see your friends playing

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and do you what, start writing songs together and what playing around North Carolina.

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Column that we write songs.

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Okay. We had no idea what we were doing

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and like really no, no clue

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at all. Like no formal training, nothing.

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And didn't really understand strong structures,

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anything. We just wrote what we thought was cool and just yelled

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into a mic and God, like now looking

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back on it, I feel bad for the parents of the houses. We

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just, you know, we took over their basements and they had to listen to us

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practice eight hours a day, out of tune. And just like

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I remember you, you've seen the jokes. Like, I think you guys are good enough

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for today. You guys are good, you know, just tell us

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you're good, you're good. That's when you can stop

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now. And we would practice five days a week. We practice Monday through Friday.

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We'd take the weekends off and we'd practice for like six

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hours a day. Like, like serious. And we did

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that for like four years. And we ended up like

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getting better and like the, the

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older we got, the more we. And then we start playing shows and start

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watching other bands and being like, okay, well what are they doing? What are they?

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And it took time. But like where I really

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blossomed was when Mushroom had found me. And

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like that, like, I don't take any credit away from

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Skinny and what he taught me.

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He really did show me the ropes and like taught me things I didn't understand

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about music. And I took that and I've ran with it

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all these years. You know, it's like it's been a learning process for me. You

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know, this wasn't something I wasn't working. Born with the ability

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I had to earn it. I had to learn I had to struggle, I

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had to get booed. I, like, I had to go through like

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the reality check like every day was Simon Cowell.

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You need to quit where you're head. You know, there was like for me.

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So like when it did, when I did finally figure it out and then my

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voice had matured to where like I could do this and

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I trained my voice to sound the way I wanted it to sound.

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That's when it got good. But by that point it's, you know, I had earned

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that. It wasn't like it was a God given talent. Sure.

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Like with, with meeting Mushroom, like how does that happen? Like,

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how do you eventually, you know, meet these guys and then

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move to Cleveland? Right. I mean, it wasn't like they were in the same town

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as you or anything. No, we, we opened form a place called

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in at Ziggy's in Winston Salem, N.C.

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and I had a manager at the time who pretty much ran Ziggy's

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Crow and Crow's. Like, you want to go and tour with these

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guys? You can buy on. I'm like, what's that? And he goes, you give them

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this much money, you can go out and open for them for, for a week

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or so. And I'm like, okay. And I've never heard of it. You know, it's

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like I had the money and I was like, let's go. Like, like,

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we want this. Let's go. You know, it's like it was us,

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a Ben Sevenfold and Mushroomhead. Dang.

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This is before Avenge blew up. I mean, like, and I met

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M Shadows all like, no, met the guys before. They

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were huge artists and they were opening for Mushroomhead. So

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we bought on the tour, got to know the guys.

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They were really good to us. They really were. Went out there and

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did our, did our thing. You know, we, like I said we went in and

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took all the suck out of the room so everybody else sounded great.

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And we, we did that and it was a fun

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experience. But we, we came back home from the tour

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and it was a great experience. And then like a couple months later,

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Mushroomhead was with Soil and Dope and they were coming to

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Tremont Music hall in Charlotte, North Carolina. And I called up

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Trent, their manager at the time, and I was like, hey, can we get on

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the bill? And they're like, sure, yeah, we miss you

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guys. Like, then they put us on the bill to open up the show. We

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come down and we open for Mush Bed. And Skinny

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sent word and he's like, tell Waylon I will talk to him on the bus.

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And that had not happened. I was like, okay. And I

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went. Went up and I talked to Skinny and. And Skinny's like, hey,

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I got a studio in Cleveland. Let me record your new album. You guys

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got something. But we gotta. We gotta set you down.

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Like, we gotta teach you what you're doing, you know, we gotta teach you guys

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something. I was like, sure, man. So we came up and

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Skinny about us up to the studio, and we came up to the studio and

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we're recording and we're doing the

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album. J Man comes in one night and

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I'm doing a part, and he is, man, if I ever get sick, I'm going

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to call you. I'm like, sure, you know,

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like, I'll do it. Let's go. But I mean, no one in back of my

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head is like, this is never going to happen. That's a great compliment. I appreciate

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that. Sure. We leave that. That session, we went back home to

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North Carolina. I think it was like two weeks later.

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Skinny called my guitarist at the time and he called me, said, hey,

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Skinny wants you to call him. I said, all right. Call. Skinny goes, hey, J,

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man just quit. You want the job

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like that, like. And I'm like, let me think about it.

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Yeah, get me out

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of here. And I took off and

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joined Mushroomhead, and the rest is history. You know,

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it's like a lot of good, a lot of bad, but I mean, that comes

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with anything, you know, it's like, could I handle things differently when I was there?

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Yeah. But at the same time, I wasn't quite

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ready as a person to be thrown into

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that, if that makes sense. I wasn't mature enough as

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an individual to. No, don't do

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that. Don't be stupid. You know, it's like I was like, let's. You

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know, it was go. You know, I was afraid I was going to miss something.

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I had to be awake at all times. You know, it's like I had just

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done what I told everybody I was going to do. And

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a lot of. Lot of learning curve. And I learned so much

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from that, especially from the bad stuff. I learned so much,

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and I'm thankful for it. And people are like, would you change it? I'm like,

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no, I kind of can't. Because it made me who I am now.

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It had happened the way it happened for me to be here today

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as the person I am, which is, you know, it's like,

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to realize that. That, you know, you can wish something

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never happened and you could take it back. And it's like, no, you.

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We can't. We have to let that happen so that we can be

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who we are. And, you know, a lot of fans want

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me to come back to Mushroom, but my time there is over. You know, it's

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like, you know, I wish nothing, nothing but the best. They got the new album

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called. Called the Devil, I think it'. And, you know, I wish them nothing but,

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you know, luck. And he's like, keep it going. Go, go,

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go. But, you know, for me, being there ain't happening.

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And I want to put a thing to rest real quick to.

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People were talking about the Jeffrey Nothings, Mushroomhead. I

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have nothing to do with that. Like, I seen an

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interview the other day is like, hey, there's another version of Mushroomhead coming and Waylon's

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going to be a part of it. No, I'm not. I'm going to be a

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part of a killer's confession. I'm like. I was like. I was like, well, that's

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interesting. When were they going to tell me? Like, wow.

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Oh, so there's already. There's a rumor started that you're going to get another version

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of the band. That'S going to be another version of the band. I'm like, I

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had heard nothing about this and I'm like, yeah, that's not

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happening. I'm here. You know, it's like, I've got too much

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invested here now. And it's like, there's no way that I would

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leave AKC for anything. Yeah. I was gonna say you

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have a great band. You've been, you know, you have an album coming out. Like,

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I know. By the way, I'm starting other band. Yeah. I'm like reading

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it. Like, where did you get your info? Because I know this never came out

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of my mouth. Like, I love that too,

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though. Like. Because I'll see stuff and like. And I know people are

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talking, they're. They're clickbaiting or they're just trying to make a.

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They're just trying to, like, get something started. And man, some of the

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craziest you ever seen. I'm like, are you. Are you kidding me?

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Oh, you. Wow. You didn't even say my name right.

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Damn. Right, right, right. The dumbest stuff.

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But I mean, anybody tries to get a like anymore, I guess that's how that

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works. Yeah. It's all about the headline. It is.

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It's so funny. Just because you'll see a headline. It's. I

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used to work on terrestrial radio for a long time. I remember having A conversation

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with like the, the social media person. This was, I don't know,

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maybe even 10 years ago now. And they're like trying to

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talk. They're. They're wondering about like, how to get people to click on

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stuff. They're talking about like headlines. I'm like,

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the headline is exactly what. Somebody's going to go transfer, like

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translate to the next person. You could go on your thing. You see,

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you know, Waylon starting Mushroomhead. And this

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never happened. And then you see the, you see the ad and then you go

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to your friend at the, at the break room, dude, did you see, you

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know, there's another mushroom heads coming out? And then it just starts spreading and it's

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like there's nothing behind it except. For just nothing at all. It's all

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clickbait. And it's. Honestly, right now is the worst

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time to try to get anything off the ground because like, there's

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so much out there. And like, like, I hate to say it,

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but I want like Headbangers Ball and MTV to

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come back. We. We need

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like a place where

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they're controlling. Not really controlling, but like to

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help people find stuff. Because if you try to go find new

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things on YouTube, you're going to be lost for hours or you're going to

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find them two years too late. You know, like, I really

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feel like the, the Headbangers Ball and, and like the whole

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music. MTV back in the day when it was actually music videos, because I

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mean, you had VH1 for pop, you had MTV for rap and metal

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and rock. And it's like we don't have that anymore. That's gone.

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And it's like that was actually a very, very important thing

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back in the day because like you. That it told you what the up

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and coming bands were. But at the same time, if

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it launched people into megastars. Yeah. Which is like now

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you have to have a viral Tick Tock video. Exactly. And I refuse.

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Someone cares. The Tick Tock. I'm so

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over TikTok. Like, I'm sorry. It's like

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this band, I'm not going to drop names, but

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they put their best 30 seconds on

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their TikTok. You go listen to the other minute and

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a half of that song. It's garbage. And then they get

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viral off of this one cool spot and it's cool. I'm glad you got a

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cool part in your song. Make the rest of it cool as

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that part. You know, it's like. Because that's why you put it there and they

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blow up and it's like. But also at the same time, I watch Tick Tock,

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I watch my attention span go to. Right.

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Like, I can't watch a movie after watching Tick Tock. I'm like, that's.

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I can't do it. I was like, man. So I've, like, limited myself

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on how much Tick Tock I can watch. Yeah. And I mean, there's

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no longevity either, Right. If somebody. If you have 30 seconds, that's good. And it

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goes viral, then somebody goes to their Spotify or whatever, and

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it's like, oh, well, the rest of this is very good. Like, you have to

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kind of pull it. You know what I mean? Like, you have to back it

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up with. So we had a video that had. Be

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my Witness. It got so many

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millions of views on Tick Tock and Instagram, and

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it had my song in it, and it was like, two minutes long. And it

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got. I think on Instagram, it got like, 74 million views.

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They paid me 14 bucks.

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Oh, my God. $14? That's

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crazy, right? I mean, there's just no. They could just

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straight up just. Yeah, there's no money. I just straight up got. I just

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straight up got ganked.

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Here's 14 bucks. What? Yeah, man. How much?

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Because I was like, oh, my God, we're gonna make some money. No,

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we did not. That's so funny. Oh, my God, it's

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hilarious, man. I thought that. And that's

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when I just realized it's like, I don't give a. For any of the social

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medias. I was like. Like, they. They're constantly with us too.

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Like, they'll demonetize us, and then they'll monetize us. And,

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like, they're always. But we're a killer's confession. So we have.

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In our name. You know, we got words that are also already

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bad in the algorithm. I was gonna say you've probably already demonetized

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no matter what.

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They're like, well, they demonetized us because of our T shirts.

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Okay? So we have. We have a very, very, very bold

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statement. And most people,

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99.9 of people, don't disagree with it. Just

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put it that way. I'm not gonna. I'm not gonna say it because I don't

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want to get you in trouble. But we can't get me in trouble. Oh, yes.

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Kill a pedophile. Oh, there you go. Oh, dude, straight up.

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Like, we. We have been demonetized over that

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statement. No way. Yeah, dude. We got a letter

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said we were. We were promoting hate speech.

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Interesting. But for protecting Your children? Yeah, we have

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small children show up at our shows. And, you know, I'm wearing. The

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costumes were scary. And those kids love us because I'll.

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I play with them. I'm like, you know, and show them that

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I'm not to be afraid of. You know, I'm the boogeyman's boogeyman.

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I'm here. Like, you can sit right here on this stage and you will be

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watched the whole time. I'll be up here taking care of you. And these small

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children show up and love us, absolutely love. But their parents

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know what our message is. And it's like, they're like,

441
00:27:21,520 --> 00:27:25,280
these are good people. That's the thing. But like, we got a

442
00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:28,830
lot of grief for it. And it's like, there's no grief. It's like

443
00:27:28,830 --> 00:27:32,630
we're just like. We've seen a lot. We, we, we.

444
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:36,430
I've worked within it and it's like, somebody needs to make a

445
00:27:36,430 --> 00:27:40,150
statement about this stuff. You know, it's like. And. And everybody said, well, you don't

446
00:27:40,150 --> 00:27:42,549
have to say it the way you said. It's like, no, we do. Because it's

447
00:27:42,549 --> 00:27:46,270
the only way you pay attention. We have to be ugly for

448
00:27:46,270 --> 00:27:49,830
you to understand that this is super serious and

449
00:27:49,910 --> 00:27:53,630
it works. And we, we totally, we. Every year we

450
00:27:53,630 --> 00:27:57,350
give. We give to children homes. We. We do towards,

451
00:27:58,930 --> 00:28:02,610
like, we're that band and so cool. And we,

452
00:28:02,610 --> 00:28:06,050
we really have a message about it. We care. You know, it's like our.

453
00:28:06,370 --> 00:28:10,170
A killer's Confession is more than just, you know, a

454
00:28:10,170 --> 00:28:13,770
masked band lyrically. We, we. We. We

455
00:28:13,770 --> 00:28:17,570
strive for you to dig deeper into your psyche and to who you

456
00:28:17,570 --> 00:28:21,290
really are as a person. And. And a lot of people

457
00:28:21,290 --> 00:28:25,010
are like, oh, you're just getting political. And I'm like, no, I'm not

458
00:28:25,010 --> 00:28:28,210
political at all. I don't give a whole. You vote for. This is

459
00:28:28,210 --> 00:28:31,850
moral. This is a moral compass. And that's what we.

460
00:28:31,850 --> 00:28:35,610
I will ride by that before I choose red or blue. I'll

461
00:28:35,610 --> 00:28:39,330
ride forwardly. Correct. I love that. Yeah, because it's

462
00:28:39,330 --> 00:28:42,929
funny because you go on your Instagram and there's, I mean, the band's

463
00:28:42,929 --> 00:28:45,290
photos, right? And. But then you have like a pic. I think it's your daughter,

464
00:28:45,290 --> 00:28:48,570
right? And one of your. No, no, that's my niece. Yeah, yeah, it's you and

465
00:28:48,570 --> 00:28:52,050
your niece. And it's like, you're so happy and like, yeah. Oh, she came up

466
00:28:52,050 --> 00:28:53,690
on stage. She was my princess.

467
00:28:56,650 --> 00:28:59,830
I'm like, come on. Like, she come out on St Age and she is just,

468
00:28:59,990 --> 00:29:03,430
you know, it's like my kids are all grown, so like.

469
00:29:03,670 --> 00:29:07,350
Like, My youngest is 16. He's downstairs in the basement right now. He's starting his

470
00:29:07,350 --> 00:29:11,070
first band. Oh, that's so cool. He's like,

471
00:29:11,070 --> 00:29:14,669
dad produces. I'm like, oh, you really want me to go through this

472
00:29:14,669 --> 00:29:18,510
again? They're. They're working

473
00:29:18,510 --> 00:29:22,270
right now, and God bless them, I love them, but, you know, they're just getting

474
00:29:22,270 --> 00:29:25,830
started, but I'm teaching them the stuff nobody taught me.

475
00:29:25,830 --> 00:29:29,510
Hey, Phoenix, do me a favor. Give me my zins that are over there,

476
00:29:29,510 --> 00:29:33,340
please. He's, you know,

477
00:29:33,340 --> 00:29:37,140
God bless him, but I'm teaching them the stuff nobody taught me. This is him.

478
00:29:37,140 --> 00:29:40,860
This is. This. Oh, hey, what's up? What do you play? What instrument do you

479
00:29:40,860 --> 00:29:44,260
play? Vocals. Oh, vocals. Just like dad. Then

480
00:29:48,660 --> 00:29:52,140
go get back to work. This interview. I love you. Love you too,

481
00:29:52,140 --> 00:29:55,780
baby. He's not a baby. He's a big boy. That's my

482
00:29:55,780 --> 00:29:59,540
baby. That's so. Yeah, my oldest is 16 too, but he's not.

483
00:29:59,540 --> 00:30:02,500
He's not in a band yet. Oh, yeah, he.

484
00:30:03,140 --> 00:30:06,940
But, you know, it's like we're, you know, like my wife and I. Come

485
00:30:06,940 --> 00:30:09,540
here, Julie. Oh, I.

486
00:30:10,980 --> 00:30:14,260
This. This is the brains behind the whole operation.

487
00:30:14,660 --> 00:30:17,460
This is. This, this is the brave. Hi.

488
00:30:18,820 --> 00:30:22,500
This is Julie. Julie. Not. You know, we look at AKC as a

489
00:30:23,140 --> 00:30:26,520
complete, more family business. We really are. Our son

490
00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:30,760
used to play drums for us and he. He's going home, decided he wanted to

491
00:30:30,760 --> 00:30:34,600
start a family and stuff and. Right. That's just fine. But we run out

492
00:30:34,600 --> 00:30:38,320
there like this one. This one is the baby of the family. This

493
00:30:38,320 --> 00:30:42,080
is. This is Tank. But, you know,

494
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:45,920
it's like we are a family business. Like, we go out there as a. As

495
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:49,560
a family and do our job and that's, you know,

496
00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:53,160
I love it because, like, when Julie and I got married, it's like I wanted

497
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:56,840
to share everything with her and now she has to share touring with me. No.

498
00:31:01,240 --> 00:31:05,080
Sound excited about that part. We've been out there for

499
00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,880
five months, so it's just like, wow. Yeah,

500
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:12,520
I could get. I. I understand for sure. A bunch of

501
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:16,240
smelly dudes. I do not smell. Well, you

502
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,960
don't? Oh,

503
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:23,580
I don't smell. Thank you, honey. I appreciate Missing World. I

504
00:31:23,580 --> 00:31:24,420
don't smell.

505
00:31:27,300 --> 00:31:30,940
Actually, I have a phobia of. Of smells. Like,

506
00:31:30,940 --> 00:31:34,500
don't put off that for some reason. No, I don't smell like onions.

507
00:31:34,500 --> 00:31:37,900
Like every day when I put on the jumpsuit and everything, I'll take and put

508
00:31:37,900 --> 00:31:41,380
deodorant on. I'm like, I'm so scared, like, after this show, taking,

509
00:31:42,420 --> 00:31:43,700
like, you lift your arm up

510
00:31:46,420 --> 00:31:50,260
phobia. So, like, I'm constantly with deodorant or some kind of cologne.

511
00:31:50,260 --> 00:31:51,890
I'm like, no, yeah, we're not doing this.

512
00:31:54,770 --> 00:31:58,370
We. You know, we got vinyls on this one. They did all those multicolored

513
00:31:58,770 --> 00:32:02,530
vinyls. The album's actually concept album. I know. I wanted to

514
00:32:02,530 --> 00:32:05,250
ask you about that because I was reading just a little bit about it. I've

515
00:32:05,250 --> 00:32:09,010
heard it, which is awesome. I am. Sent it over to me, so

516
00:32:09,410 --> 00:32:13,090
it's a great record. Thank you so much.

517
00:32:13,730 --> 00:32:16,850
I honestly feel like this is my. This is

518
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:21,160
the best thing I've ever done. Like, I think I've took everything I've

519
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,520
Learned over my 25 years of doing it

520
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,280
and finally did it. I finally did it.

521
00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,080
Actually. It's 30 years. I. I'm 45. I started when I

522
00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:36,760
was 15. Wow. Three years. Oh,

523
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:40,200
my God. 30 years in this industry, man.

524
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:43,400
That's crazy. I took everything that I learned.

525
00:32:44,350 --> 00:32:48,070
And Andrew, good friend, my. My agent from tko who

526
00:32:48,070 --> 00:32:51,790
books me, he refused to allow me to go on

527
00:32:51,790 --> 00:32:55,310
tour. He said, you're going to sit down and you're going to focus

528
00:32:56,110 --> 00:32:59,870
and you're going to write this album. And he did that. And it

529
00:32:59,870 --> 00:33:03,550
was the best thing that ever happened to me was I sat down, was like,

530
00:33:04,110 --> 00:33:07,550
well, I. I got to do this. You know, I have to

531
00:33:08,430 --> 00:33:12,150
have to do it and it. Write a concept album. And the way

532
00:33:12,150 --> 00:33:15,990
I did it, I didn't do it like chapter 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6,

533
00:33:16,041 --> 00:33:19,840
7, 8, 9, 10, like 10 songs, 10 chapters. I didn't do it like that.

534
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:23,520
This is more like a Tarantino

535
00:33:24,320 --> 00:33:28,160
meets Hitchcock. Like, we're gonna bounce

536
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:32,600
everywhere, Start in the middle, go back to the

537
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,440
beginning, all tie back into the end type deal. But at

538
00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:40,000
the same time, it's all Hitchcock. When I say that

539
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:43,720
psychological. It's all going on up here. There's a lot of

540
00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,360
conversations and split personality. Like, I dive into

541
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:50,720
that because sometimes, like, if you listen to a couple songs,

542
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,640
I'll bring up One Son is one. I'm having a

543
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:58,240
conversation with myself. Yeah, it's like.

544
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,680
Because I keep saying in the song, it's like, there is no me without.

545
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:05,440
There's no you without me. Like, it's. And

546
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:09,320
that song takes up off with the seven deadly sins.

547
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,050
Envy, being envious and being jealous.

548
00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:17,130
Jealousy and. And how one side of my. One side of my personality

549
00:34:17,130 --> 00:34:20,810
is jealous of the other and how they're. They're arguing and. And

550
00:34:21,370 --> 00:34:24,970
another song that does that is also voices that I did with Aaron

551
00:34:24,970 --> 00:34:28,690
Nordstrom from. Oh, that's a great song. Oh, dude. We shot the

552
00:34:28,690 --> 00:34:31,770
video, and Aaron and I just like,

553
00:34:32,490 --> 00:34:36,210
you gotta understand, he is as close as I can get to having

554
00:34:36,210 --> 00:34:39,739
a brother that. That's not my brother. You know what I'm saying? Like, we're sitting

555
00:34:39,739 --> 00:34:43,379
there yelling at each other, trying not to laugh,

556
00:34:43,379 --> 00:34:46,819
you know, just like. You know, it's like you're trying to be mean to him,

557
00:34:46,819 --> 00:34:50,539
and, like, you're just like, he's, like, trying

558
00:34:50,539 --> 00:34:53,939
not to laugh at you in your face. And we shot the video

559
00:34:54,499 --> 00:34:58,099
so quickly because it just came together.

560
00:34:58,099 --> 00:35:01,819
Aaron was such a professional, and just, like, his acting and just,

561
00:35:01,819 --> 00:35:05,619
like, he's been there. He knows what's needed when that camera's rolling. He

562
00:35:05,619 --> 00:35:09,400
knew what needed to be done, and we

563
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,920
knocked it. I think it took me longer to put the makeup on

564
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,120
than it did to shoot the video. Like, it took me longer to paint my

565
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:19,680
face than it did to shoot the video. Wow.

566
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,280
Aaron came in, I called him sometime

567
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,400
last year, and I was like, hey, Aaron, you want to be on the album?

568
00:35:26,720 --> 00:35:30,240
He's like, yeah, what else am I doing? You know, it's like. And

569
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:34,050
we totally. We. I remember we kind of

570
00:35:34,050 --> 00:35:36,970
fleshed out the original idea. We did a zoom call,

571
00:35:37,690 --> 00:35:41,290
and we fleshed out the idea. And then I took it down to Evan

572
00:35:41,850 --> 00:35:45,610
and we produced it. And then I sent it back to Aaron. And Aaron

573
00:35:46,170 --> 00:35:49,850
redid all his vocals, got it back. And just

574
00:35:49,930 --> 00:35:53,650
the beauty of that song, just real throwbacks to, like,

575
00:35:53,650 --> 00:35:57,490
old school vocals, like Alison chains, a lot of harmonies and

576
00:35:57,490 --> 00:36:00,970
stuff, and you don't hear that anymore where, like, people are singing in harmony,

577
00:36:01,670 --> 00:36:05,390
and Aaron is such a talented individual that when I

578
00:36:05,390 --> 00:36:09,110
got to sing those harmonies, it's like, wow, this

579
00:36:09,110 --> 00:36:12,630
is really cool, you know, because when you have somebody that's that good

580
00:36:12,870 --> 00:36:16,310
that you could sing anything, and he's like, ah, here, your harmonies here. And he's

581
00:36:16,310 --> 00:36:20,070
singing so with you, and it's like, man, dude, you're something else.

582
00:36:20,070 --> 00:36:23,830
So, like, having Aaron on the album, because I tried to do a guest every

583
00:36:23,830 --> 00:36:27,550
album. First album was Brian Welch from Corn. Second album was Justin

584
00:36:27,550 --> 00:36:31,120
from Tallahassee. Third album was Chad Gray from Mud Vein, and this

585
00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:34,920
album was Aaron from Gemini. So like, every album, I try to have

586
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:38,000
a guest that come out. That's awesome. One of my friends come out and do

587
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:41,720
something with me. And this album, you. You address. You mentioned the seven

588
00:36:41,720 --> 00:36:45,560
deadly sins. You address all of them, correct, right? In the. In the. In

589
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,280
the course of the album. Yeah. Agreed. Start off that

590
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:52,920
greed. Greed is just. Greed was just a warning

591
00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:56,590
because everybody's guilty of that at some point in your life. Not

592
00:36:56,590 --> 00:37:00,350
like greed will get to you. And greed is just like

593
00:37:00,350 --> 00:37:03,710
the. Greed's only the corruption of corruption. It'll take the most

594
00:37:03,710 --> 00:37:07,430
humble individual and ruin them. And I was

595
00:37:07,430 --> 00:37:11,190
sitting back when we created greed and we're talking about

596
00:37:11,190 --> 00:37:14,910
TikTok again and I was like for some reason my entire live

597
00:37:15,390 --> 00:37:18,830
feed just turn these people in lives. We're begging for money.

598
00:37:21,080 --> 00:37:24,520
Begging for money, begging for likes. It got

599
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:28,280
disgusting. So like, like it's really turned me off of like going on

600
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,480
Twitch. And I won't do it anymore because

601
00:37:32,280 --> 00:37:36,080
I really just seen how ugly it was. It's like you're sitting

602
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:39,840
here just begging people for money and

603
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:43,240
you won't do something for yourself. You think this is a job and yet

604
00:37:43,240 --> 00:37:46,200
you're influencer. Well, I don't respect

605
00:37:46,990 --> 00:37:50,630
influencers. I respect teachers. You know, educate

606
00:37:50,630 --> 00:37:54,110
me, don't influence me. Influencing is like tricking

607
00:37:54,350 --> 00:37:57,990
in a way. You know, it's like you're influencing them to do this.

608
00:37:57,990 --> 00:38:01,830
Well, that don't sound like good a good thing to be, you know, like you

609
00:38:01,830 --> 00:38:05,230
can educate me, but don't influence me. I don't need to be

610
00:38:05,230 --> 00:38:08,870
influenced. I need to be educated. And these people are making

611
00:38:08,870 --> 00:38:11,630
it jobs now. And then I seen this young lady

612
00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:15,960
pop up and it was. And it

613
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,600
disgusted me in a way. She goes every time I get a

614
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,240
galaxy or in this galaxy pops up on her thing and I guess you have

615
00:38:23,240 --> 00:38:26,280
to pay for it or whatever to have it happen on her screen.

616
00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:31,000
She'll turn around and look out the window. This woman had nothing

617
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:34,520
on. And every time she get one, she'd moon the whole place.

618
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:37,960
Oh God. Okay. And I'm like, really?

619
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,760
You know, isn't that only fans or some shit? I don't want to see this.

620
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:45,590
I'll like my thing with Tick Tock. I want to see some conspiracy

621
00:38:45,590 --> 00:38:49,150
theories and a town and a bull named Rufus.

622
00:38:49,390 --> 00:38:53,190
I have a book I love that's. So good that that's

623
00:38:53,190 --> 00:38:57,030
pretty much would be my. I don't tiktok. But I, I like, I,

624
00:38:57,030 --> 00:38:59,870
I'll do Instagram and stuff. But yeah, like conspiracy theory.

625
00:39:03,390 --> 00:39:07,030
That is. Probably that and probably true crime stuff which

626
00:39:07,030 --> 00:39:10,790
would lead me into your band and everything. Well then, then

627
00:39:10,790 --> 00:39:14,610
I follow animals and stuff. Like I like Rufus is the in

628
00:39:14,610 --> 00:39:18,410
Arkansas and I absolutely love him. He's mean as hell.

629
00:39:18,410 --> 00:39:22,130
And I'm like, I like, I want to pet Rufus, you know, Like, I

630
00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:25,930
will totally do that. But like, I try to. Like,

631
00:39:25,930 --> 00:39:28,530
now I've figured out how to. Like, I don't. Like, I don't want to see

632
00:39:28,530 --> 00:39:32,330
the creator. I don't. It just turned me off of it

633
00:39:32,330 --> 00:39:35,810
so bad. It's like it kind of disgust me. It's like you're begging. It's like

634
00:39:35,810 --> 00:39:38,890
you're not making a product. You're just sitting there showing your butt

635
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:42,490
and you're being lewd or you're doing something and

636
00:39:43,030 --> 00:39:46,150
I'm not going to support this. And you think this is a job.

637
00:39:46,710 --> 00:39:49,670
It's not a job. You're sitting there on your phone

638
00:39:49,990 --> 00:39:52,470
ordering doordash. You know.

639
00:39:55,670 --> 00:39:58,829
You know what I'm talking about. It's like, go up. And I've said it for

640
00:39:58,829 --> 00:40:02,630
years, and I stick behind this. Get up and go do something. And

641
00:40:02,630 --> 00:40:06,230
you will find some meaning in your life if you get up.

642
00:40:07,110 --> 00:40:10,950
And if you're really not happy, get up, stop where you're at,

643
00:40:10,950 --> 00:40:14,670
look around, find where the problem is and turn the other direction and start

644
00:40:14,670 --> 00:40:18,510
a new path. I love that. And

645
00:40:19,310 --> 00:40:22,270
I've lived by this. And now it's just

646
00:40:22,910 --> 00:40:26,670
like, I don't want to be addicted to this thing. This thing is,

647
00:40:26,670 --> 00:40:30,510
like, meaningless to me. My wife thinks it's funny because my

648
00:40:30,510 --> 00:40:34,350
phone will be under the couch for two days, lost.

649
00:40:35,070 --> 00:40:38,760
I will care less. Where's your phone? I don't know. You got things. I don't

650
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,520
care. You know, I. I want to be addicted to it. And

651
00:40:42,520 --> 00:40:46,240
I have found that people have become. This

652
00:40:46,240 --> 00:40:50,000
has become your master in life. Like, people

653
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,480
are constantly. Don't matter. If you're walking down the street, you're on

654
00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:57,520
it. What's wrong with that picture?

655
00:40:58,240 --> 00:41:01,680
So I heard somebody say that your phone knows more about you than

656
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:05,450
any human being would ever know about you. Like,

657
00:41:05,610 --> 00:41:09,250
in a way of, like, just because it. It'll

658
00:41:09,250 --> 00:41:12,890
predict. It knows what you like by the. It has an everything in real time.

659
00:41:12,890 --> 00:41:16,490
How long you'll sit on one thing, how long you. You know, what you do,

660
00:41:16,490 --> 00:41:20,330
your. Your, like, where you go. Everything. It knows everything about you,

661
00:41:21,690 --> 00:41:25,370
no matter what. And it will know more than anyone. Will ever know

662
00:41:25,370 --> 00:41:28,490
about. Yeah, it knows you're so crazy. Knows everything.

663
00:41:29,050 --> 00:41:32,690
Everything. And that is so scary. I, like, I.

664
00:41:33,090 --> 00:41:36,610
I had wished this, that these would just die

665
00:41:36,850 --> 00:41:40,450
and we could go back to the dial up. Like, you get a

666
00:41:40,450 --> 00:41:44,250
phone at the table, you have a. You have a cordless. That's all good. But

667
00:41:44,250 --> 00:41:47,890
when I leave this house, there's no. Can't get a hold of me.

668
00:41:47,890 --> 00:41:51,490
Yep, I know it's Weird, man. I mean, with kids and stuff now

669
00:41:51,490 --> 00:41:55,210
it's like, I think about that, like, I would just leave. You just leave.

670
00:41:55,210 --> 00:41:58,560
There's no way your parents get a hold of you. I'll be back later. Like,

671
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,240
now, like, people. Like, I'd have like a. You know, you have like a panic

672
00:42:02,240 --> 00:42:05,600
attack if you don't know you can't get a hold of your kid every three

673
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,280
seconds forever. Think about it. Back in the day, when in the

674
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,640
80s, where did you find all your friends?

675
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:16,960
Outside where the box were. Yeah, the parents

676
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:20,440
were the same thing. Where the board of bikes. Okay. Oh, they're the part. They

677
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,120
went down to the creek. You know that. That was what we did

678
00:42:24,280 --> 00:42:27,660
and. But that was real social networking.

679
00:42:27,980 --> 00:42:31,620
Like, we learned how to communicate with each other. They call us latchkey, latchkey

680
00:42:31,620 --> 00:42:35,020
kids because, like, we were like a very odd

681
00:42:35,020 --> 00:42:38,740
generation of people coming up. But the thing about it is,

682
00:42:38,740 --> 00:42:42,580
it made us tough. We didn't, you know, we didn't

683
00:42:42,580 --> 00:42:46,380
sit there and clamor over, you know, video games. We played video

684
00:42:46,380 --> 00:42:49,260
games and stuff, but we didn't stay inside all day. And

685
00:42:50,060 --> 00:42:52,700
your parents wouldn't. I mean, my parents wouldn't let me stay inside. Like,

686
00:42:54,460 --> 00:42:56,900
it's 9:00am what are you. You in here? Still.

687
00:42:58,660 --> 00:43:02,340
Go swimming? You know, I would

688
00:43:02,340 --> 00:43:06,100
get up, like, during. In the morning and I would mow the yard

689
00:43:06,500 --> 00:43:09,100
first thing because I knew that was what I had to do. I'd clean up

690
00:43:09,100 --> 00:43:12,820
my room and I mow the yard. And then I'd call my buddy

691
00:43:12,900 --> 00:43:15,740
who lived like two miles down the street and he was part of the country

692
00:43:15,740 --> 00:43:19,140
club, and he would take me as his guest to go swimming.

693
00:43:19,300 --> 00:43:23,140
Oh, there you go. Call him. And then I'd call my dad at work and,

694
00:43:23,140 --> 00:43:26,180
like, and leave a message. Like, call me. When I got on my chores done.

695
00:43:26,180 --> 00:43:29,950
Call me. And he's like, call me. What do you want? And I'm like, can

696
00:43:29,950 --> 00:43:33,670
I go Jonathan's go swimming? Okay. Is yard mode this

697
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:37,150
done? And that would be my day. You know, I'll get up and I would

698
00:43:37,150 --> 00:43:40,710
go swimming and then, you know,

699
00:43:40,950 --> 00:43:44,710
go. Go just hang out and play. But,

700
00:43:44,710 --> 00:43:47,950
like, I look at my kids, I don't think I've seen my kids in two

701
00:43:47,950 --> 00:43:49,670
days. And I know they've been in the room.

702
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:55,140
You know, at least one of them. Is downstairs doing music. Oh, yeah,

703
00:43:55,460 --> 00:43:59,180
Phoenix. That kid doesn't like video games. He likes video

704
00:43:59,180 --> 00:44:02,780
games. He likes to play. But, like, he likes to go walk the

705
00:44:02,780 --> 00:44:06,220
streets. He, like, he wants to walk the train track. He is a Stand by

706
00:44:06,220 --> 00:44:09,860
Me kid. Like, totally. Like, I'm like, look for

707
00:44:09,860 --> 00:44:13,580
dead body. Like, playing in the

708
00:44:13,580 --> 00:44:17,380
sewer and stuff. Like, he's. And I'm like, good for you. You know,

709
00:44:17,380 --> 00:44:21,030
it's like, at least I know it's not dead, you know, in

710
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:24,710
you. Yeah. He could care less about that. He. He

711
00:44:24,710 --> 00:44:28,190
wants to have a social life outside of being on Facebook.

712
00:44:28,750 --> 00:44:32,190
And the kid is like, I'm proud of him. I Like, that's awesome. Be more

713
00:44:32,190 --> 00:44:36,030
proud. My other two. Well, my other. Well, we have

714
00:44:36,030 --> 00:44:39,870
seven between us. Julie and I have seven children. Oh, my goodness. She has four.

715
00:44:39,870 --> 00:44:43,710
I have three. We're the Brady Bunch. And we got three boys

716
00:44:43,710 --> 00:44:47,550
that go to Kent State right now. No way. My cousin went to Kent

717
00:44:47,550 --> 00:44:50,380
State. So proud of. But you do not want three tuitions.

718
00:44:53,900 --> 00:44:57,540
Three boys at Kent State. Other kids are grown, and, you

719
00:44:57,540 --> 00:45:01,340
know, Morgan's 20. He'll be 29 this year. Our oldest and

720
00:45:01,340 --> 00:45:05,180
our youngest is 16. So, like, awesome, man. So, like, you

721
00:45:05,180 --> 00:45:08,780
can understand my. My take on children.

722
00:45:08,780 --> 00:45:12,420
Like, I'm like, I've raised enough children to where I actually have a

723
00:45:12,420 --> 00:45:16,230
moral compass of, like, yeah, touch one of my kids, and I will

724
00:45:16,230 --> 00:45:19,350
take my three hots in a cot. I love my kids.

725
00:45:24,550 --> 00:45:27,910
I should make that a lyric. You should. That was really good.

726
00:45:28,550 --> 00:45:32,350
Write that down. I'll take my three hots in a cot. My brother

727
00:45:32,350 --> 00:45:35,990
said that to me one time. I'm like. And I'm like, what? Because my three

728
00:45:35,990 --> 00:45:38,790
hots in a cot. And I'm like, he get my three hot meals in the

729
00:45:38,790 --> 00:45:42,230
bed. Okay. Yeah. That's so good.

730
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:48,320
Okay, well. Okay. So just to get back to your album, I. You said

731
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,000
Greed. There's seven. But you only list as

732
00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:55,800
far as song titles go, right? You don't. It's not like. And it doesn't. Like,

733
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,000
the album goes in order of the seven.

734
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:03,360
Like, Tongue is wrath. I'll read right out from your mouth.

735
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:07,120
Like, if. If you. When you get the back of the album, it's

736
00:46:07,680 --> 00:46:10,910
Each song. If there's. If it's associated with the sin,

737
00:46:11,540 --> 00:46:14,660
it'll be scratched out. So you'll be cool.

738
00:46:16,900 --> 00:46:19,660
On the back of the album. So that goes back to the old school ways

739
00:46:19,660 --> 00:46:23,460
of listing things. When you pull the album out, start looking. There's

740
00:46:23,460 --> 00:46:27,139
your. And I'll give you another little Easter egg about the

741
00:46:27,139 --> 00:46:30,820
album. This album is the. The victim

742
00:46:31,380 --> 00:46:35,100
sitting in the chair. You've seen the front of the COVID Yeah. Sit in

743
00:46:35,100 --> 00:46:38,860
the chair. Well, if you take the first album unbroken, it's

744
00:46:38,860 --> 00:46:41,340
the killer standing on the other side of the room. So if you put the

745
00:46:41,340 --> 00:46:45,060
albums looking at each other. It's them looking at each other. Oh,

746
00:46:45,060 --> 00:46:48,820
no way. Yeah, okay, I'll have to look at

747
00:46:48,820 --> 00:46:52,380
that. I'll have to look, and you'll see the killer. And

748
00:46:52,380 --> 00:46:56,180
then if you get it, take victim one. You'll see the. You'll see what

749
00:46:56,180 --> 00:47:00,020
he's looking at. Oh, wow. Okay. I'm

750
00:47:00,020 --> 00:47:03,540
looking at it right now. That's awesome.

751
00:47:05,310 --> 00:47:08,870
I always tie back into things, man, but that's just being an artist, you know,

752
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:12,670
it's like, how can I make this tie in and, you know,

753
00:47:12,670 --> 00:47:16,190
be cool and just get just a little depth in there, like, for.

754
00:47:16,430 --> 00:47:19,710
For people. Yeah, I'm looking at it right now. That's so amazing.

755
00:47:20,350 --> 00:47:23,630
But if you look at it and. Then you look at victim one, you're like,

756
00:47:24,030 --> 00:47:27,870
oh, okay. So, well, that will lead me to my

757
00:47:27,870 --> 00:47:30,670
question about the victim one. And how is. Is

758
00:47:31,780 --> 00:47:35,580
the killer on the COVID of Unbroken a serial killer?

759
00:47:35,580 --> 00:47:39,140
And are we. Are we talking multiple victim albums

760
00:47:39,140 --> 00:47:42,900
here? Well, that's the thing. It says Victim one,

761
00:47:43,620 --> 00:47:46,820
right. So I'm assuming there's two.

762
00:47:49,380 --> 00:47:52,660
Yes. Victim one is where he starts.

763
00:47:52,900 --> 00:47:56,100
And it. The. The. It's not really a serial killer.

764
00:47:56,670 --> 00:48:00,190
This guy has a problem. He

765
00:48:00,350 --> 00:48:03,870
just woke up one day and didn't recognize the world he lived in.

766
00:48:04,750 --> 00:48:08,390
He didn't recognize how certain things could be let

767
00:48:08,390 --> 00:48:11,990
go anymore. And more or less, it drove him

768
00:48:11,990 --> 00:48:15,750
crazy of how it's like, are you crazy or am I crazy? This is not

769
00:48:15,750 --> 00:48:18,830
right. So he got to the point to where

770
00:48:19,230 --> 00:48:22,840
it's like, nah, I can't do this anymore. You know, and

771
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,920
finally took the stance to do something about being

772
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:31,280
about. About the problems. He doesn't go after anybody

773
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,800
innocent, like, and. But the thing about is he knows himself.

774
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,600
He's not innocent because he's committing

775
00:48:38,600 --> 00:48:42,240
this stuff. So a lot of the album, like I said, is

776
00:48:42,240 --> 00:48:45,840
Hitchcock is in here. You know, he's fighting with

777
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:49,650
himself about the things he's had to do. He puts

778
00:48:49,650 --> 00:48:53,330
warnings out about greed, like, don't be this way.

779
00:48:53,650 --> 00:48:57,450
But when it comes to lust, which has to do with. To save a

780
00:48:57,450 --> 00:49:01,290
kid, which is. That song's under the song

781
00:49:01,290 --> 00:49:05,090
title Purpose. He's been given purpose. But

782
00:49:05,090 --> 00:49:08,930
the rest of it, he's fighting with himself about what he has to do.

783
00:49:10,210 --> 00:49:13,730
Like, it's like he understands by doing this,

784
00:49:14,050 --> 00:49:17,890
he is just as guilty of these sins. So he's having

785
00:49:17,890 --> 00:49:20,610
a very, very hard time with it.

786
00:49:21,810 --> 00:49:25,010
So when you wrote this album out. Did you have the whole storyline kind of

787
00:49:25,010 --> 00:49:28,050
in your mind? Like, how do you then put it out? Into

788
00:49:29,010 --> 00:49:32,610
when we. I think 10 songs. I think, yeah, 10 songs. When I started it,

789
00:49:32,610 --> 00:49:35,810
it was a serial killer. And I realized real quick,

790
00:49:36,850 --> 00:49:40,650
Beck said it best. You can't write if you can't relate, you know? And I

791
00:49:40,650 --> 00:49:44,410
can't relate to a serial killer. I can't really. I can't relate to somebody that

792
00:49:44,410 --> 00:49:48,140
doesn't have empathy, you know, that doesn't have a moral. I

793
00:49:48,140 --> 00:49:51,300
can't. So, like, it would come off hokey.

794
00:49:52,180 --> 00:49:56,020
So, like, I sat back, I was like, well, I could write about going into

795
00:49:56,020 --> 00:49:59,820
a bedroom, ripping off a sheet and stabbing a dude. I could do

796
00:49:59,820 --> 00:50:02,580
that. But how corny is that going to be? How long is that going to

797
00:50:02,580 --> 00:50:05,620
really last? You know, it's just a

798
00:50:06,420 --> 00:50:10,260
immediate, this gratification, and then out the door. It's

799
00:50:10,260 --> 00:50:13,860
just like, okay, you could have done better than that. So

800
00:50:14,020 --> 00:50:16,140
I sat back and I was like, well, I don't want to do it that

801
00:50:16,140 --> 00:50:19,860
way. I don't want it to be about killing. I want

802
00:50:19,860 --> 00:50:23,700
it to be about psychologically. The damage is doing

803
00:50:23,940 --> 00:50:27,780
like, like, this is a good person that may have

804
00:50:27,780 --> 00:50:31,500
went like, you know, just went a little bit too far

805
00:50:31,500 --> 00:50:34,700
one day, just didn't step back. Split into two

806
00:50:34,700 --> 00:50:37,940
personalities and how these two personalities

807
00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,680
are clashing because one is a good person. The other

808
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,920
one's like, no, we got to do this. So they're fighting

809
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,880
within here the whole time. So it's a very. So he's

810
00:50:49,880 --> 00:50:53,680
a victim himself to himself. So it's victim

811
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:57,200
one. Kind of like, it's like, is there more than one

812
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,640
victim? You know, I'm saying, are you the victim?

813
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,720
There's a lot in there. So I did this more in depth. I made

814
00:51:05,720 --> 00:51:09,280
it deeper than just that, you know. Yeah,

815
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:13,000
just this is the first, first kill and we'll move

816
00:51:13,000 --> 00:51:16,720
on. Maybe the next album, it'll be a story about the next one. Yeah,

817
00:51:16,720 --> 00:51:19,920
it's going to continue. I, I, I, I have decided I am going to continue

818
00:51:19,920 --> 00:51:23,680
it. Like, there, there's, there's different, but it's going to

819
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:27,520
be, it's not gonna be like, you think we're gonna move on to, like,

820
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:31,280
how, like, acceptance and, and, you know,

821
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:35,200
how to find forgiveness and stuff like that of what we've done.

822
00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:38,920
And he's constantly, he's nuts. And the whole thing about it is the

823
00:51:38,920 --> 00:51:42,600
guy's nuts. So at the end of the day, it's like, did

824
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,280
this even happen? Does he have looney band where? Oh,

825
00:51:46,840 --> 00:51:50,520
yeah, I like that. Like, I really went in depth with this. And this

826
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:54,360
was hard, like, because I honestly did not want to be

827
00:51:54,680 --> 00:51:58,520
hokey. I didn't want it to come off corny or just cheesy.

828
00:51:58,840 --> 00:52:01,800
And because anybody can talk about blood and guts and ass

829
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:05,160
anyway, you know, it's not a real

830
00:52:06,170 --> 00:52:09,370
hard thing to do, but to talk about it

831
00:52:09,370 --> 00:52:13,130
psychologically, you know, like. Like I said, Hitchcock,

832
00:52:13,370 --> 00:52:17,210
like, just that, you know, it's like, did this happen? Is he

833
00:52:17,210 --> 00:52:20,650
nuts? It's like, is this all in his head? You know,

834
00:52:20,890 --> 00:52:24,650
that type of deal, like Psycho or American Psycho, right?

835
00:52:24,650 --> 00:52:28,330
By the end of it, it was just all in his head, right? He was

836
00:52:28,330 --> 00:52:31,770
just crazy. So, like, this is gonna, like,

837
00:52:31,850 --> 00:52:35,550
it's a real big subject, but the way I've laid it

838
00:52:35,550 --> 00:52:39,310
out is just, you know, this guy, like, especially if you really

839
00:52:39,310 --> 00:52:42,750
listen, you're going to hear a lot of conversations. He's talking to himself.

840
00:52:44,750 --> 00:52:48,430
Because I. I love son. Because I say it. So there's no you without me.

841
00:52:48,670 --> 00:52:52,110
You know, Just like. It's like, dude, you hate getting up without me.

842
00:52:54,510 --> 00:52:57,790
So it was. It was. It was the hardest album I've ever wrote.

843
00:52:58,430 --> 00:53:01,890
I bet, man. I mean, it's. I about quit.

844
00:53:02,450 --> 00:53:05,970
Really, dude. I took the advance. I'm done. I'm

845
00:53:06,290 --> 00:53:09,890
done. I'm like, I can't do this. This is too much. This is too much.

846
00:53:10,130 --> 00:53:13,890
Because, like, I wanted it in such a way where,

847
00:53:13,890 --> 00:53:17,530
like. And I'd write something and I'll just throw it away. I mean, so many

848
00:53:17,530 --> 00:53:21,130
things hit the floor. Like, no, no, no, this is

849
00:53:21,130 --> 00:53:24,930
corny. What the hell was I thinking? You know? And I just kind. And

850
00:53:24,930 --> 00:53:28,630
then finally, when it started to come together, and that's when the

851
00:53:28,630 --> 00:53:31,870
psychological things, like, stop trying to paint a picture.

852
00:53:32,750 --> 00:53:36,510
And this. This go to his mind. Let's go into his mind. Let's.

853
00:53:36,510 --> 00:53:40,230
Let's go here. Like, you, I can understand, you know, when you

854
00:53:40,230 --> 00:53:44,070
fight with yourself over guilt, and that's really what it is.

855
00:53:44,070 --> 00:53:47,550
And the moral of the whole thing is, like, everybody's

856
00:53:47,950 --> 00:53:51,630
guilty of one of these sins, right? But have you gone

857
00:53:51,630 --> 00:53:55,080
so far you can't come back? That's

858
00:53:55,160 --> 00:53:58,680
where the real thing. It's like the message is. It's like,

859
00:53:59,080 --> 00:54:02,840
you can save yourself. Don't. Don't let

860
00:54:02,840 --> 00:54:06,400
this define you. Yes, you've been greedy. Yes, you've been

861
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,040
vain. You know, you've been selfish. You know,

862
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,960
hopefully you haven't committed a murder. Hopefully, you haven't succumbed to wrath or

863
00:54:13,960 --> 00:54:17,800
anything like that. But at the end of the day, can you

864
00:54:17,800 --> 00:54:19,970
notice that you've done something wrong? Song.

865
00:54:21,410 --> 00:54:24,890
Yeah. And. And come back from that. That's the whole Moral of the

866
00:54:24,890 --> 00:54:28,370
album. I love it, man. Well, that in.

867
00:54:29,490 --> 00:54:32,930
I love everything that you, you. It's so creative, the, the

868
00:54:32,930 --> 00:54:36,450
concept behind it and then even tying it back to the first album. I mean

869
00:54:36,690 --> 00:54:40,210
just everything you guys have going on right now, I think it's so cool, man.

870
00:54:40,210 --> 00:54:43,690
And I love it. I'm glad that you've heard the album too. Like, it's like

871
00:54:43,690 --> 00:54:46,930
so, like you can actually go back and listen now. I'm gonna go back. Yeah.

872
00:54:47,010 --> 00:54:49,560
Now that I've had the conversation with you about. I'm going to go back and

873
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,360
hear it. I want to hear the. Him talking to himself, you know, even all

874
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:55,600
these things. So. Yeah, you will. And, and, and the thing about is,

875
00:54:56,080 --> 00:54:59,920
is it's just, you know, it's deeper

876
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,719
than just laid out for you. Chapters one through ten. You

877
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:07,440
know, you've got to understand this part of it

878
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:11,640
to fall into the rest of it. And you know, and as an artist, we

879
00:55:11,640 --> 00:55:14,160
usually don't like to tell people this, but a lot of people are going to

880
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:18,000
get lost if you don't know that this is going on in somebody's head.

881
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:22,200
Right? You'll be like, it was like walking into Pulp

882
00:55:22,200 --> 00:55:25,840
Fiction halfway through the movie. Being like, what's going

883
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:29,560
on? It's like that. But

884
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:33,080
I'm also like, I love leaving Easter eggs and I love

885
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,760
leaving tie ins. Like where one song, I'll

886
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,520
say one thing and then I'll answer it four songs later. That's

887
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:44,210
so cool. Like, just like, I think like that. So like I'm totally

888
00:55:44,210 --> 00:55:47,570
into riddles and, and like, and I'm blunt about what I say,

889
00:55:47,890 --> 00:55:51,410
but sometimes I just won't finish it until another song.

890
00:55:51,810 --> 00:55:55,530
So you gotta, gotta. You gotta keep going. You gotta. Yeah. Follow. You

891
00:55:55,530 --> 00:55:58,570
follow the album all the way through. Well, and I tell people too. It's like,

892
00:55:58,570 --> 00:56:02,290
this is that album. I want people to put their earbuds in and

893
00:56:02,290 --> 00:56:05,250
lay up at night and just like go to bed to it.

894
00:56:05,970 --> 00:56:09,670
Just. And just listen to what I'm saying. Because, you know,

895
00:56:09,670 --> 00:56:12,350
it's like with the, with the name of Killer's Confession, you know,

896
00:56:13,470 --> 00:56:17,110
certain things come to mind off the bat. Not that

897
00:56:17,110 --> 00:56:20,870
at all. We wear the stuff. We are the monster's monster. But

898
00:56:20,870 --> 00:56:24,670
the fact is we're. It's just, there's. It's a message and everybody

899
00:56:24,670 --> 00:56:28,310
skips over the one thing that. That's a part of the, the name of the

900
00:56:28,310 --> 00:56:31,990
band. Confession. Are you willing to admit that

901
00:56:31,990 --> 00:56:35,710
you've done something wrong? Are you willing to admit and learn

902
00:56:36,380 --> 00:56:40,100
that's what it's about, like. And for me, musically as an artist,

903
00:56:40,100 --> 00:56:43,740
I've been given a platform. I want to write songs about hope

904
00:56:44,220 --> 00:56:48,060
and about, like, I've really effed up, but

905
00:56:48,060 --> 00:56:51,699
I'm not lost. And I can correct. I can. I can. I can

906
00:56:51,699 --> 00:56:55,460
do everything in my. Some things you can't correct. Like, and we know this. Some

907
00:56:55,460 --> 00:56:59,220
things you can never take back, but you can learn from it. You

908
00:56:59,220 --> 00:57:02,540
can always learn from your mistakes. I always say that second place is not always

909
00:57:02,540 --> 00:57:06,350
losing. Sometimes it's a winning situation because you can learn from

910
00:57:06,350 --> 00:57:10,190
your losses. It can make you a better person. Like. Like, you lose the super

911
00:57:10,190 --> 00:57:13,270
bowl and you figure out why you lost the super bowl, and you come back

912
00:57:13,270 --> 00:57:16,510
the next year and with a better game plan, and you learn from

913
00:57:16,510 --> 00:57:20,270
defeat. And that's what a killer's confession really is,

914
00:57:20,270 --> 00:57:23,870
is about learning from defeat and learning how to be a better person for

915
00:57:23,870 --> 00:57:27,710
tomorrow. Amazing, man. Well, I love it. I appreciate your

916
00:57:27,710 --> 00:57:31,470
time, Waylon. Thank you so much, man, for. For hanging out this long,

917
00:57:31,470 --> 00:57:34,910
dude. Thank you for having me, brother. Man, I appreciate it. I know I'm a

918
00:57:34,910 --> 00:57:38,490
little long winded about. No, I just don't want to cut into your time,

919
00:57:38,490 --> 00:57:42,330
and this has been great. I appreciate you, man. And I do have one more

920
00:57:42,330 --> 00:57:45,970
question for you. I want to know if you have. I mean, you've been

921
00:57:45,970 --> 00:57:49,530
dropping amazing advice throughout this entire interview, but I want to know if you have

922
00:57:49,530 --> 00:57:52,170
any advice for aspiring artists.

923
00:57:54,090 --> 00:57:57,450
A, don't do it for fame. Don't

924
00:57:58,170 --> 00:58:01,890
things fickle. Like, do it because you

925
00:58:01,890 --> 00:58:05,570
love it. Do it because you have the. The. You

926
00:58:05,570 --> 00:58:08,610
want to entertain. You want to. You want to help somebody

927
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:13,200
lift off the burden of their week and the issues they're dealing with

928
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,440
because of, like, when they. When they go to our music, that's what they're doing.

929
00:58:16,920 --> 00:58:20,600
Like, do it for that money. Money's nothing.

930
00:58:20,840 --> 00:58:24,680
Fame's nothing. But if you can help somebody ease

931
00:58:24,760 --> 00:58:26,920
their work week, that's it.

932
00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:34,930
Bringing it back. You.

933
00:58:38,050 --> 00:58:41,730
Bring it backward, bring it backward,

934
00:58:41,810 --> 00:58:45,010
bring it backward, bring it back,

935
00:58:45,570 --> 00:58:47,250
bring it backward.