BiB: Nik Leuthold (NONEXISTER) – How Punk, Climbing, and DIY Spirit Forged a Cinematic Metal Band

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What is going on? It is Adam. Welcome back to bringing it backwards, a podcast

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where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal

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stories of how they achieve stardom. On this episode, we

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had a chance to chat with Nick of the band Non

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Existor over zoom video. Nick was born and

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raised in Zurich in Switzerland and talks about how he got

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into music. He comes from a very creative household as far

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as writing and literature goes. His mother is

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actually a published author, written numerous books

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and wrote a book with him when he was 12 years old that was published

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as well. So he talks about being in interviews at 12, talking about this book

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that he had written with his mom. He got a music around 8, started to

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play guitar, got very into punk and hardcore music.

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Was a huge part of the DIY hardcore punk

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scene. Nick is also a very avid

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rock climber. So he moved to Spain for 10 years,

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started this like venue slash

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rock climbing club in the mountains in

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Spain. Talks about that a bit, moved back to Switzerland and that's where he started

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Non Existent with Marco. He talks about forming the

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band, writing this debut album, and he talks a lot

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about the music videos the band puts out because they

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are incredible. I mean, each music video

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looks like a short film. The most recent

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video is for a song called where does your mind go? And

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the actress holds her breath underwater for

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four minutes so you can kind of watch her, you know,

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the pain and suffering she's going through

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with just a camera on her as she holds her breath

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underwater for four minutes. It's really,

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it's a great music video, so make sure to check that out and you can

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listen to podcasts, we're bringing it backwards with Non

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existor. Hey, how are you, Nick? Fine, thank

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you. I appreciate you doing this. Yeah, I appreciate

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you being interested. Thank you, Adam. Of course, yeah, I'm

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Adam and this is about you, the band, your journey in music

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and the album that's coming out in a couple weeks here I can't believe it's

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already March or almost. Yeah, it's

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wild. Amazing. So I always start

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off born and raised. The bands in where? Switzerland. Is that what I saw?

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Yes, exactly. Zurich. Zurich. Are you originally from there?

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Yes. Okay. Born and raised. Yeah, born and raised.

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Not always lived there, but born and raised. Born and raised. What's so like

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growing up there? I know, it's. It's the capital, right? Of the. Of the country?

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No, it's one of situations a little bit like in.

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In a few countries. The. The capital of Switzerland is not very big.

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So it is kind of. It's the biggest city. So it's the.

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But it's not the capital. I. I must have gotten confused there. No, the

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political capital is. Is burned. Oh, okay.

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Shows how much I know about the. About geography, huh?

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Often people do do this confusion because Zurich

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is the cultural and the economic

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capital. It's just the biggest city. Oh, got it. Okay. But it's not the

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political capital of the country. Exactly. Interesting. So what

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was it like growing up there? I mean, it's the biggest city, so obviously the,

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the most populated place. Is it the place that has the most, like, clubs

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and, and all of that as far as, like, music goes? Exactly. It's.

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It's. I. I love it. I came back as well. I lived in, in

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Spain for. For a long time or for 10 years.

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And I always wanted. Or. I appreciate it for sure

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more now as well, probably when you've been out. But I always appreciate it because

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what is really nice is that there was a slogan once of tourism

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Switzerland that was called little big city. And that's described

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a lot. So it's a city as. It's the biggest city.

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It's where the clubs are, it's where the music goes on. It's where the cultural

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life. And the cultural life is very interesting. I mean, techno

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was born in Zurich and Berlin and Zurich was before Berlin.

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So just to give it, you know, it's. It's a. It's a thing.

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Electronic music was basically born here. And so it is a very

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interesting place. But in the meantime, it's small. You can actually

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traverse the whole city on your bike within an hour.

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No way. You could just go around the whole thing. That's wild. Not around. You

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can traverse it, you know, but still. Yeah, okay. Go across the entire

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city. Entire city in an hour with a bike.

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So it is just half a million. It is close to the

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mountains, and still it feels like a really big

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city in terms of what you get in as a Music scene and as

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clubs and. And other cultural

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offers. That's incredible. And as far as

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your specific journey in music, do you come from

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like a creative household? Any musicians in your

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family? Like where did you start off? I come from a.

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No musicians in my family, but my mother is a

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writer. Oh, cool. Published around 20

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books and a journalist. What did she write?

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I'm just curious. Sorry. Like non fiction or fiction books? What does she write?

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Both, but mainly feminist topics.

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So she was one of the important feminist writers of Switzerland.

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Wow. When like you know, in the beginning of. Of

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this literal or the high times of feminism in the

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70s and stuff. That is awesome. That's really cool.

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So she do like book tours and stuff. Do you remember as a kid like

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her just kind of being, you know, tucked away writing and then

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like when a book came out, seeing your mom's name on it. That must have

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been pretty cool. Yeah. And. And I brought a book out with her as well.

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We kids. A kids fiction

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novel that came out. So I was with

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12, I was quite. You know, because I was like featured as.

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As co author. So I was. Was when I was 12,

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kind of, you know, in interviews because of this book and stuff. It was. That

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was a. Was a. A creative. That's. It was a

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creative household for sure. But more in literature. Wow. Than in

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music. Yeah. But you, you're the songwriter as far as lyrics go in the band.

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I am the co songwriter. Marco and me, we do it together.

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But I am the singer and I'm the lyrics writer. Exactly. Okay. Yeah. So

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when it comes to that, I'm sure obviously having mom in the house

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as a writer and even being a co author on a book at 12 years

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old, that's probably something that you were naturally good at.

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Or was it. Are you interested in English and. Or maybe not English,

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but in literature and writing as, as a. As a child

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or like did you kind of hone that skill early on? Always.

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I wrote other stuff as well then, you know, I

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lived quite a wild life so I didn't stick on it. But I wrote

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a few theater pieces. I'm always writing.

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It's very. It's very natural to me and it's important. I've been a journalist

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for a while in my life, so it's something that

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comes very natural. That's very close to me. Yes. Writing is something that's part

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of me. And talking about English, I learned

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English very, very young and

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I'm. I have a very fast access to any language.

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So for me it's. It's I'm. I'm.

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It's not, not unnatural to write in

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another language when I'm good at. And. And so I'm doing.

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I write in. In French and Spanish sometimes as well. Really? I

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wish I had that skill, man. I took. I grew up in San Diego. We.

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I could throw a rock and hit the border and of Mexico and I

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still like, I. I could listen and hear

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Spanish and in kind of, you know, hold a conversation. But

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I wish I was like really fluent in the language. I just. It never

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stuck for me as. Even as a kid. Like, I just. I don't have that

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muscle in my brain. I'm

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just jealous of and envious of people that can do that. I think it's such

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a rad, you know, skill to have and not only. I mean just

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something to have in general to be able to go to another country and

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just be able to communicate. It is a nice skill. Yeah. And I have the

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advantage that I even pass as a native in. In

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many countries and that's cool as well. And that's in

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Spain. They think I'm from the Basque country. And so it's,

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it's a nice thing. You can kind of, you know, you. You get

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incognito. Yeah. I was gonna say you gotta go fly under the radar. Like.

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Yeah, I'm. I'm. I'm from here. As

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far as music goes. When did you get into music? And then I know just

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you. Like you said earlier, kind of like the, like, you know,

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electronic music scene kind of start or really did start

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in Switzerland. And was that something that you were interested or were you into that

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prior to. Not what you're doing now with, with non existor obviously. But

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like where did you start as far as music goes? Or have you always been

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really interested in the metal scene? I've always been

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interested. I mean when it's the start. Start was as a kid. I started

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playing the guitar at 8 and then wrote my own songs

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and stuff. Singer, songwriter style. That's what I did.

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And then you go through all these, these faces

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of. Of. Of a teenager or some do. Probably I

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was more like a little bit in the. In the hippie

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direction and then goth and then punk.

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And so my. Actually my adult life

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was. Was then first in the goth scene and then

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in. In the. In the punk scene. And I'm

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very much in the DIY punk scene. That's actually my thing. So

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I actually lamentably

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didn't. Didn't take part of this

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electronic movement and I would

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liked that. I Wouldn't have been as ignorant. But I was a

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punk, you know. Right. I was interested in punk and hardcore

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and very much in this DIY scene as well

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from my life. I lived in squat houses.

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I was. And I'm still often an activist.

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Less. Less radical probably than I was.

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But still, still, I mean you can

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see the features in the. In the lyrics as well. Well, and in the

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video. Right. I mean the music video you guys put out.

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Exactly. That I'm. That I have. Have opinions

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and. And. And that I'm concerned about the world.

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So I lived in this DIY scene that's actually my. I a

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musician, my musical history. So I

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mainly did complicated

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hardcore in the 90s, you know, all these. Where in the 90s were all these.

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From no means no to whatever. All these

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rhythmical complicated hardcore stuff. And I did and I

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made punk. That's actually the two things that I did before non exist or

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mainly. Okay, interesting. And it's when

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you said, you know, you were punk and got. It was just like that was

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it. Right. You didn't pay attention much to what was going on as far as

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the electronic scene. And that's how I kind of grew up too. I

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feel like my generation was almost the last of the.

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If you listen to punk, you listen. That was it. Like you wouldn't tell your

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friends like, oh yeah, I went home and listened to this pop record. It was

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like I listen to punk or I listen to hip hop or I listen to

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this and exclusively that. And now it's like you look

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at lineups and festivals and with Spotify playlisting and

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everything else, it's like the, the spectrum of. You could

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like Ariana Grande and Rancid and you

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know, whoever. Like it's. It's so big in open

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now. It's. It's fascinating to see that for me at least

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instead of when I grew up, it was like you got. If you listen to

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punk, you listen to like these bands.

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Yeah. And then you find bands that they sounded like or.

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Or a new band spinning off of that genre instead of like

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in this song. And if you're into. Into skater punk,

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you don't. You're not into the rougher stuff. And if you're into the rougher stuff,

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you're not into skate punk. Yeah, it gets really, really,

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really niche when it comes to even that. It's like, oh, you listen to this

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hardcore. Well, I only listen to bands like

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know Operation Ivy or I only listen to Slayer type music.

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It's. Yeah. It's funny how that it even broke down even further

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when you looked at it. Now it's like you can listen to everything,

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and a lot of people listen to everything more so than.

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Than before. And I think it's nice, you know, it's nice as well for the

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DIY scene. I mean, I'm still very much in the DIY scene and I appreciate

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it a lot. It's beautiful being part of cultural scene,

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a part of the normal music scene as well, or the usual, or

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commercial, whatever, to be part of a scene where people really do it by heart.

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You know, every place you play, people

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often work for free just to have their cool

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club. You're not talking. It's not about the money. It's about.

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It's much more important that the bands get really good food,

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that they can drink as much beer as they want, then the actual money

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you get, as long as you can get to the next venue, you know, and

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have. Right. Gas money to get there or whatever.

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And. And all these people doing all this cultural stuff by heart,

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it's still a very important scene to me. To me. So

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I think it's beautiful that this scene is not only flooded

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with punk and hardcore now, as it was, but that there's so many different

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events happening there. You know, there's. There's electronic parties,

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there's hip hop, there's all kind of. And that's, that's much more

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interesting actually, in the end, culturally. But you'll see these

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cross, you know, genres kind of crossing over a lot

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more now. Or, like, you have this, this type of artist that will go this

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direction, but they're still kind of, you know,

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intertwining both their influence. It's. Yeah, it's really.

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I feel like the. It's just broken open this whole new,

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like, idea of what, you know, music can be

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instead of, like, so binary. Like, I only like this, and that's all I'm going

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to listen to, and that's all I care about. And yeah, it's just a fascinating

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world. So you. I mean, in the DIY scene, you're

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in, what, punk bands, hardcore bands, and

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from there it's like at one point you end up moving to Spain. And was

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that to pursue music or, like, were you in a band that,

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like, you know, had some recognition, like, what kind of continued

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your journey on in. So the important thing there was I'm a very addicted

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climber. Oh, like mountain climbing? Yeah,

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rock climbing. I mean, rock climbing. Sorry. Yep.

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And I'm. I'm. I travel the world always for

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hard rock in in another. And then hard rock, you know,

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Hard. Rock during hard rocks. Yeah, exactly. So for. For hard

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roots and for the community and just, you know, it's a. It's a. Sports

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like, like. Like surfing often or stuff. You travel to

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the good spots and. And. And there's a good community, so.

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And Spain is kind of one of the capitals, if not the

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capital of that sport, or it is actually the capital of that sport.

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So I spent a lot of time there and I just got stuck

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in. In a climbing zone.

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Climbing place that was emerging and very

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important at the place with a lot of very hard routes

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to try. And there was a beautiful place to sit

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for sale. So we bought it together with friends and

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put our own climbing lodge there, which

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as two of them are musicians as well, which is

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a concert venue as well and stuff. So we put a

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good climbing and concert

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bar, lodge,

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restaurant in the Spanish mountains. And that's where I lived

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for 10 years, hosting this project and

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making music there and

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hosting a lot of bands there and stuff. And then I came back

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and I always had

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a dream of an industrial project, you know, industrial

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metal project kind of. I was always into alternative metal and stuff.

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And Marco and me as

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Zurich's got a very good music scene, but as it's not that big,

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you know each other somehow as musician, you know,

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you follow each other's stuff if you're not of totally different

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ranges. I don't know every chess musician here, but I mean,

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he did stuff. Yeah. Within your scene of

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people who you. You're seeing at clubs and. And. And shows and stuff. You. You

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exactly kind of follow. Know everybody. And we were talking about this

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before already now, you know, now and then that we both have this.

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This idea. So I came back and I didn't have a pro, didn't have

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a project. So my first idea was to ask

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Marco actually if he's up

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because it was. Yeah, it's the old. The old dream actually.

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Let's do this instead of jumping into the next

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punk band kind of. And to me, who is

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a singer really, and,

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And a writer it is

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from. I mean punk is the soundtrack of my youth, is the soundtrack

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of my movement, is very important to me. But for

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me too, there's a lot of potential

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in being able to work that. And I always had

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a leg in theater as well and in movies. So I always did

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stuff there as well. That's why I wrote theater pieces as well. And

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I've never had it as my main art, but

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it was always something that touched me a Lot and that I'm. I'm. I worked

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with in professional projects. So this is.

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To go into this field gives me the opportunity to

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actually do much more. Even my art, I

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think. No, it was. Yeah, I was gonna say because the videos you

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do for the music are very, you know,

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theatrical and. And they look like a film. Right. I mean, they're like

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short films. Yeah. So I was gonna ask you about that.

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Like, was that kind of going into this project?

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Were you thinking that way? Like, okay, I. I love the. I want to do

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this style of band. I want to have this sound, but I also want to

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make sure it kind of, you know, is linear to

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being able to write cool music videos that

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mean something instead of, you know, maybe just writing

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to be in a band. But it's. Did you want to mesh the two. Was

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that kind of the idea going into this? No, that came with the time, actually,

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which started, you know, was. We were

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drinking a beer together and a few drinks in a bar. And I asked Marco

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and then we just started and it was always clear there should be something

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in the direction of industrial, alternative metal stuff like

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that. But then we started actually very intuitively.

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And the beautiful thing was that we noted that we

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match extremely creatively. Creatively.

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He. You know, it was really just like a

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revelation almost, you know, when we started to work together.

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Can tell you a little anecdote on this after and then come

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back to the videos. And so we started to work and then out of this,

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doing all these things, for me, it was clear that it has to be

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this kind of sound. So that this would be theater. Ali the

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theatrical and that Marco has this always.

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He. He makes atmospheres when he makes music.

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So it was the perfect. That was the idea, I think, as well of

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the match. He knew I'm a versatile and theatre Alex

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Singer. I knew he makes atmospheres.

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He layers sounds to create emotions and

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stuff. So it was, I think, for both clear that

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sound. The songs are probably not gonna have usual

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or not all are gonna have usual sound structures, you know, that they can

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have a lot more freedom that sound songs could be long and stuff.

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And so we just worked on this. But then when

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you work on something like this and it is so

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atmospherical in terms of sound, and you make

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lyrics that mean something to you, that are

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socially critical, philosophical, where you really think

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about things, contemplate about things. If you have this

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figurative side, this. This side of thinking in.

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In. Motion pictures,

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in scenes, in, you know, cynical,

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then you often have images in your head

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already that are Scenic. So

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that's where it started actually, that it was clear, okay,

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we want to make an extension of our art into this field.

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It was not planned in the beginning, but if I look back in my life

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where theater and movie always played a role, or from time to time played a

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role, it's actually quite logic. But I don't think I thought about

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it before we started. Okay. It just kind

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of happened that way during, during the process, as many things.

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That's what I said about the. And that's so beautiful in the

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collaboration with Marco. He's a really,

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for me, quite a genius in layering and, and,

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and creating stuff. A very genius

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producer. And we agree on so many

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things. So what happens is we don't. I mean,

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if we have to discuss things, we do it very respectfully

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and we don't have fights like other bands probably have

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and. But. Or you hear a lot of stories there. But

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as well, we inspire each other a lot. We often say we're.

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We're definitely one of these projects where you can

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say one and one is three or even five,

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because neither of us two would be able to make this music alone.

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So it's actually really the match who produces it. And that's the. The

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anecdote that I wanted to tell you on the first song, you're Paying Up My

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Veins, which was always the first song just by hazard. It was the first song

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we wrote, was the first song. It is now the first song on the album,

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was the first song we made a video for, but not planned as well.

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But that was actually. We met in Marco's studio

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and he just presented a rough

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track, some rough elements. And as you are a little

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bit timid in the first time, when you meet another musician, you have a player.

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Hey, what do you think? And I was like, wow, you know, like I said,

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open the mic. You know, I said immediately, open the mic. And he was, what?

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Wow, this guy just wants to sing immediately? And said, yeah, record, you know. And

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I sang immediately. And then I was Tim and I said, well,

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what do you think? I gave you a different option. Wow, that's great. I'm going

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to take all of them. You know, it was like all

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this, so. So we have a very intuitive way

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of working and I think that's a very great thing as well. Not

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only because it's very nice to work that way, but as well

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because it is a very good option to make good art,

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I think, because art, as is best at

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its. Its best happens, I think, when it can

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flow and when you have to interfere always

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with your brain. You break something that you

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can't produce after. By your conscious

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brain. Yeah, no, 100%. Because if you're in kind of the

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moment and then you're like, oh, hold on, let's stop this for a second and

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try blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, then you're. Yeah. You're almost putting

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a stop to whatever could have been or where you were

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kind of going in that one direction. Yeah, yeah.

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That's why I always record when I improvise. I always record.

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Oh, so you're able to kind of pull some of that sometimes. Like. Oh, like

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this was really rad. And maybe it will fit on this other song.

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We'll. We'll do it. My Mostly like this. When I. When I start

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to. To make. Make vocal lines, I improvise

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usually first. Oh, and then you can kind of. And go back

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and take the melody or whatever. Right. Pick or. Marco picks.

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That's what I love a lot in. In the work with Marco as well, that

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he picks very often and he takes things

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that I would have thrown away because I didn't hear it because it's mine. So

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I'm over critical. And he said, oh, it's great. Look because of that. And then,

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you know. So I like this kind of collaboration a lot as well.

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Yeah, no, that's awesome. And with like us, like with the songs that

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you do. I mean, the music videos you put out, you know, kind of going

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back to that are. Are so like I said, they're like

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films, right. They're like short films. And the amount of effort and work

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goes into that is it. You have the song and then you're like, oh, this

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would be a. I have this great. You said you kind of see

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images when you're doing. When you're writing. Is that kind of going back

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to. Okay. Like this would be a rad music video. Like I already had this

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kind of idea while this song was going. Can happen.

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I often have images in my head when I. When I write, or even Marco

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when he does. But

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sometimes they become a video like Drowning in the Void.

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This is based on. On my initial

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story. Then I had to have

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meet with Justin Stoneham, a great director who

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is very, very nice person to collaborate

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as well, who with whom we then developed actually the book

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and. And made the video. And once the book was written,

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he slipped into the role of the director and I slipped into the role of

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the actor. Oh, you have a book on

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this too. I didn't realize that. I mean, the storybook you know. Okay.

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Oh yeah, yeah. God. They like the treatment of the treatment. Got it. No, the

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treatment is only. No, I mean the, the really the, the

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actual book where you have every detail. You know, the first. Okay, I

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understand. Sorry. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that makes sense. The final, final

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decision actually how you do it. But on many other things, I

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mean I'm doing art for long enough

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to know

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that it's not always my, my idea doesn't have to be the best one.

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You know, you, you lose a lot of selfishness I think

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throughout, throughout the years. And that's a good thing because you, you're more attentive.

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There's so many good people around with so many good ideas and

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I'm, I'm not unexperienced in, in these fields, but I'm

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not a director, professional director.

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And so often we get actually we do

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shout outs for the songs for the videos

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to a bunch of directors through a production

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company we like a lot with whom we collaborate. And we

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do shout outs and see the treatments that come in. And we

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don't say. Yeah. And we don't say we want

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a video for this song. You just send all the songs and

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see what some comes back. Exactly. Because again

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people are best when they can work intuitive. So they should write

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a treatment for the song that inspires them. Yeah,

461
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I like that. And then you can get a. Probably a bunch of different ideas

462
00:29:15,820 --> 00:29:19,500
and different directors or is that styles the. Ones

463
00:29:19,500 --> 00:29:22,940
we really, we really, really like. So

464
00:29:23,180 --> 00:29:27,020
of the videos that are out now, it would be too many laurels for

465
00:29:27,020 --> 00:29:30,670
us to say we have the images because it's only drowning in the

466
00:29:30,670 --> 00:29:34,510
void. Until now that is based on a,

467
00:29:34,670 --> 00:29:38,470
on a story that I initiated and

468
00:29:38,470 --> 00:29:42,030
the others were just great ideas by other directors and

469
00:29:42,110 --> 00:29:45,950
it goes that far that if that they even convinced us

470
00:29:45,950 --> 00:29:49,590
sometimes of things that we wouldn't have thought. The,

471
00:29:49,590 --> 00:29:53,390
the video for A Promise in the Air is

472
00:29:53,390 --> 00:29:57,050
a dance video. Yeah, that's a rad video. And that's a. Like you talked

473
00:29:57,050 --> 00:30:00,730
about like length song links. I mean you, the songs like

474
00:30:00,730 --> 00:30:04,530
over like almost six and a half minutes and you watch the music video and

475
00:30:04,530 --> 00:30:08,370
it's so engaging that like I didn't realize I'd watched a

476
00:30:08,370 --> 00:30:11,170
six minute video at the end. I was like, damn. Like I didn't realize the

477
00:30:11,170 --> 00:30:14,410
song was that long. That's nice. Yeah, yeah.

478
00:30:15,050 --> 00:30:18,850
I hope the, the, the, the song did the same effect on

479
00:30:18,850 --> 00:30:22,050
you. I think it's a no. 100. It was. I just checked it out first

480
00:30:22,050 --> 00:30:25,650
before I listened to the song in Full. I. I was sent, you know,

481
00:30:25,810 --> 00:30:28,810
your. Your. Your PR stuff, and I had the video and I was like, oh,

482
00:30:28,810 --> 00:30:32,370
watch the video. Why not? Instead of going to the link of

483
00:30:32,370 --> 00:30:34,970
Spotify or whatever it may be. And I was like, damn, like, this is really

484
00:30:34,970 --> 00:30:38,810
cool. And I didn't realize the length of it. Oh, wow. You know, there's

485
00:30:38,810 --> 00:30:42,050
a lot of songs nowadays are three minutes, three and a half minutes.

486
00:30:42,450 --> 00:30:46,210
So the most recent video you did in a song

487
00:30:46,210 --> 00:30:49,650
for Where Does My Mind Go? How

488
00:30:50,390 --> 00:30:53,590
is that? Was that one shot? I mean, she's underwater for, like,

489
00:30:53,830 --> 00:30:57,550
literally three minutes. Four. Four minutes without

490
00:30:57,550 --> 00:31:01,350
coming up. Four minutes. Four minutes. How. How

491
00:31:01,350 --> 00:31:04,110
do you find somebody that can hold their breath out? I grew up as a

492
00:31:04,110 --> 00:31:07,910
swimmer, and I could swim 50

493
00:31:09,030 --> 00:31:12,870
meters underwater there and back, and I'd come up and be, like, about

494
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:16,550
to die. Like, literally, like, four minutes

495
00:31:16,550 --> 00:31:20,340
is so long. I mean, 50 meters is long

496
00:31:20,340 --> 00:31:24,180
already. Respect. Not four minutes. And that was

497
00:31:24,180 --> 00:31:27,740
when I was, like, 17. Now I could now, I probably,

498
00:31:27,740 --> 00:31:31,180
you know, do 30ft and then have to

499
00:31:31,420 --> 00:31:32,460
pop up. But.

500
00:31:35,980 --> 00:31:39,620
It is a one shot. It is a one shot. It is real

501
00:31:39,620 --> 00:31:43,460
time. That's incredible. And what

502
00:31:43,460 --> 00:31:46,220
do you put a casting call, like, who can hold their breath for four minutes?

503
00:31:47,100 --> 00:31:50,840
We didn't have to. It was. It was by hazard. Um, this

504
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:54,680
was the idea of director Elias Resigati. And

505
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,800
it was just. We were totally flashed by the idea. It was a great

506
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:02,520
idea. And so.

507
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,640
So we were totally convinced. And then we're thinking around, and

508
00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:10,440
just by accident, I know an actor here in Zurich

509
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,680
who is a freediver as well. Okay. I just

510
00:32:14,680 --> 00:32:17,830
remembered that she was not performing for about

511
00:32:18,310 --> 00:32:21,990
two years or one year, I don't remember, because she was traveling

512
00:32:23,270 --> 00:32:26,990
Southeast Asia doing freediving with her boyfriend, who

513
00:32:26,990 --> 00:32:30,390
is an actor as well. And so I said, hey,

514
00:32:30,870 --> 00:32:34,390
probably we should ask Momo if she's able to do that. And.

515
00:32:34,390 --> 00:32:37,750
And she's a great actor, and she's a freedom. That was just

516
00:32:38,150 --> 00:32:41,950
lucky that we knew her. Oh, my God. Does she hold some

517
00:32:41,950 --> 00:32:45,230
sort of record? I mean, I would. I would be interested to know how long

518
00:32:45,230 --> 00:32:48,640
somebody could hold their breath underwater. Because. Because four minutes seems like

519
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,360
you've got to be the top, you know,

520
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:55,400
0.01% of human beings that could

521
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,080
do that. Apparently not. I just wrote an article that

522
00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:02,920
for us is incredible. But apparently people who

523
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,720
are really professional free divers, they do between eight and

524
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:10,520
11 minutes. Oh, my. It's like, how

525
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:14,240
does your. I don't. I like, how does your brain go without oxygen for that

526
00:33:14,240 --> 00:33:17,830
long? It's just so Crazy. It's very

527
00:33:17,830 --> 00:33:21,310
interesting what Momo said, you know, because. About.

528
00:33:21,390 --> 00:33:25,190
About the process, because she said it's. It's quite

529
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:29,030
a special thing to have to do this. I mean, what you

530
00:33:29,030 --> 00:33:32,470
have to do is control your breath, your

531
00:33:32,470 --> 00:33:35,630
emotions, your body, your blood flow, your

532
00:33:36,030 --> 00:33:39,710
heart rate, you know, all that stuff. And

533
00:33:40,430 --> 00:33:44,270
so doing this, even as a professional actor, doing

534
00:33:44,270 --> 00:33:46,470
this in front of a film team

535
00:33:47,830 --> 00:33:51,030
is something very special. And

536
00:33:51,670 --> 00:33:55,350
then what happens when you do free diving, I mean,

537
00:33:55,510 --> 00:33:59,030
I'm just repeating what she said, is that

538
00:33:59,190 --> 00:34:03,030
you have this. You have to get into this total calmness,

539
00:34:04,710 --> 00:34:08,390
control it completely. But then from time to time,

540
00:34:08,710 --> 00:34:12,500
your body notices the lack of air, and you get into kind of

541
00:34:12,500 --> 00:34:16,300
a panic, and then you have to fight the panic and get control of that.

542
00:34:16,940 --> 00:34:20,700
And she had this process in front of a film team

543
00:34:20,700 --> 00:34:24,220
and having the song in the year. So what happened is

544
00:34:24,540 --> 00:34:28,100
throughout, because she had to know when it's, you know, how long she has to

545
00:34:28,100 --> 00:34:30,340
take and stuff. I was gonna ask you, like, did you have to, like, hold

546
00:34:30,340 --> 00:34:32,940
the flag up and say, it's time that you. Can come up now

547
00:34:34,620 --> 00:34:37,700
underwater, you know, water. I mean, you don't hear it the same way, but you

548
00:34:37,700 --> 00:34:41,330
hear it. She said throughout the. The. The. The.

549
00:34:41,570 --> 00:34:45,050
The verses, she was in this calm, calm

550
00:34:45,050 --> 00:34:48,890
mode. And then when the refrain came, the panic came, you

551
00:34:48,890 --> 00:34:52,650
know, was kind of. According to. According to

552
00:34:52,650 --> 00:34:56,370
the. To the song structure. Song structures

553
00:34:56,530 --> 00:35:00,370
quite often. Interesting. Wow. Yeah, I watched that. I'm

554
00:35:00,370 --> 00:35:03,970
like. It took me a couple times. I'm like, yeah, she definitely is under.

555
00:35:04,050 --> 00:35:07,720
Because you see the air bubbles up, like, very, very, like,

556
00:35:07,720 --> 00:35:11,440
subtly at some moments. Like, not very many come up, but

557
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:13,920
you're like, yeah, I would imagine you have to be in some sort of very

558
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,760
meditative, like, you know, state to

559
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:21,520
be able to really hold your composure that long. And then she's opening

560
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:25,000
her eyes. Like, I've. You know, that would not

561
00:35:25,240 --> 00:35:28,560
add to the fun of being underwater for four minutes either, I would

562
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:32,280
imagine. Yeah. No, and the thing is, I mean, I

563
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,680
don't know if it happened to you, but to me, I mean, I. I feel

564
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:38,020
it. I suffer with her. I feel it almost physically.

565
00:35:38,180 --> 00:35:42,020
And I think the reason is because it's real. She is actually

566
00:35:42,180 --> 00:35:45,940
suffering. She's not acting. Yeah. It's like

567
00:35:46,100 --> 00:35:49,780
I can't even imagine, right. You. You just. You can think of when you

568
00:35:50,180 --> 00:35:53,940
can't catch your breath or when you're underwater and you're like, okay, it. It.

569
00:35:53,940 --> 00:35:57,180
My body's, you know, freaking out. It's time to get. It's time to get to

570
00:35:57,180 --> 00:36:01,020
the surface. And she's just so calm and you can

571
00:36:01,020 --> 00:36:04,590
kind of see, like you said, her fighting it. And then it's back to like

572
00:36:04,590 --> 00:36:08,230
a calm. And then she comes up and it's like smiling

573
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:12,070
like, what? And not. It's just

574
00:36:12,070 --> 00:36:15,630
like, yeah, I'm out. Like. Yeah, she was quite

575
00:36:15,630 --> 00:36:19,390
panicking in the. In the beginning. No, she's like, like. Right. And

576
00:36:19,390 --> 00:36:22,630
then it's slowly she kind of gets into the. She goes like back and like,

577
00:36:22,630 --> 00:36:26,390
whoa, what happened? You know? Right, right, right, right. It's.

578
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:29,520
Yeah, it's. It's a really. It's a really cool video.

579
00:36:30,160 --> 00:36:34,000
And these songs were. All. This is like the first batch of

580
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,720
material you all have put together together. And then you're gonna put the

581
00:36:37,720 --> 00:36:41,560
debut album out because it sounds like you said. Yeah. The first song he released

582
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:45,200
was also the first song you did a video for. Yeah. On the album.

583
00:36:45,200 --> 00:36:48,960
On the album. Yeah. So, yeah. So these are all. It's not. It

584
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:52,680
wasn't planned like this, but it's actually the. The

585
00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:55,130
playlist of the album until now as well.

586
00:36:56,890 --> 00:36:59,850
But that was. Was more by accident as well. So it's

587
00:37:00,650 --> 00:37:03,930
the songs in this thing and then there's more songs on the album. But all

588
00:37:03,930 --> 00:37:07,290
the songs that we brought out so far are on the album.

589
00:37:07,530 --> 00:37:11,050
Amazing. Well, I'm excited to. To check out the full record.

590
00:37:11,210 --> 00:37:14,930
Are you doing videos for every song? We

591
00:37:14,930 --> 00:37:17,690
don't think for the whole. But probably

592
00:37:19,770 --> 00:37:23,140
how. How arts come. But we have new songs. Okay.

593
00:37:23,380 --> 00:37:26,580
So probably we're gonna come with the new songs, but there's two

594
00:37:26,980 --> 00:37:30,660
really cool videos still in the making that

595
00:37:31,460 --> 00:37:34,580
will come. So there's a video for Storm

596
00:37:34,980 --> 00:37:37,700
coming. So store the. The song Storm

597
00:37:38,580 --> 00:37:42,380
is coming out with the album with a

598
00:37:42,380 --> 00:37:45,300
video which is a serious

599
00:37:45,700 --> 00:37:48,820
topic. It's about the rise of the. Of the extreme right

600
00:37:49,500 --> 00:37:51,820
at the moment and other extremists.

601
00:37:53,500 --> 00:37:56,860
And the video is from the same director

602
00:37:57,100 --> 00:38:00,820
who did how do you dare? Oh, really?

603
00:38:00,820 --> 00:38:04,300
Okay. What a great video that it was. I love how it's.

604
00:38:05,340 --> 00:38:08,940
I mean, you think that it's the beginning where. Where he's being. Where this

605
00:38:08,940 --> 00:38:12,300
person's being arrested by the police. And then it's like this whole back.

606
00:38:12,620 --> 00:38:16,060
It. Like it goes in reverse. Like what. Here's the real story.

607
00:38:16,850 --> 00:38:20,690
And then it ends in the pizza place. And yeah, it's. That's a really great

608
00:38:20,690 --> 00:38:24,210
video. What. What we said before. I mean,

609
00:38:24,450 --> 00:38:27,010
you were talking about how do you dare. I mean, this video.

610
00:38:28,210 --> 00:38:31,930
It's Dave Bullivant from. From England, from the

611
00:38:31,930 --> 00:38:35,650
uk who does. Who does these Videos and he's a incredible director

612
00:38:36,450 --> 00:38:39,890
and what he actually managed. I mean how do you dares about victim

613
00:38:39,890 --> 00:38:43,420
blaming? And victim blaming

614
00:38:43,900 --> 00:38:46,060
is not a phenomenon. It's

615
00:38:48,460 --> 00:38:51,340
usually discussed in terms of sexualized violence

616
00:38:52,060 --> 00:38:55,900
and this is an important topic, but it is actually a phenomenon,

617
00:38:56,140 --> 00:38:59,740
a psychological phenomenon that happens everywhere. You know, you can't

618
00:38:59,740 --> 00:39:03,220
have. It's usually

619
00:39:03,220 --> 00:39:06,820
perpetrators blame their victims always. Right, right, right.

620
00:39:06,820 --> 00:39:10,270
Every genocide was rectified

621
00:39:11,710 --> 00:39:15,150
by a lie about

622
00:39:15,390 --> 00:39:19,070
how bad these people are or that they attacked the, the

623
00:39:19,070 --> 00:39:22,790
perpetrators or whatever. You know, it's, it's everywhere and it's

624
00:39:22,790 --> 00:39:26,550
even there in small scale in all

625
00:39:26,550 --> 00:39:29,990
of us. You know, we tend already as kids to say ah, you know, you

626
00:39:29,990 --> 00:39:32,950
beat up somebody and say no, but it was him, you know, because yeah, he

627
00:39:32,950 --> 00:39:36,090
did this first. That's why I did it, why I

628
00:39:36,090 --> 00:39:39,290
retaliated. Right, exactly. So it, it is the same

629
00:39:39,290 --> 00:39:42,610
phenomenon from just usual

630
00:39:42,850 --> 00:39:46,690
not you know, understandable kind of, you know, in an everydays

631
00:39:47,010 --> 00:39:50,690
onto up to mass murdership, you know.

632
00:39:50,930 --> 00:39:54,450
So it is a very interesting topic to, to think about

633
00:39:54,930 --> 00:39:58,370
and I think it is as well how do societies

634
00:39:58,450 --> 00:40:02,020
get fanatized and get to be

635
00:40:02,020 --> 00:40:05,780
perpetrators as a whole? You know, how do

636
00:40:05,780 --> 00:40:09,540
you switch it? Because you don't see yourself as a perpetrator. You always

637
00:40:09,540 --> 00:40:13,340
see yourself as a defender, even if you are, if, if you are

638
00:40:13,340 --> 00:40:17,020
the perpetrator. So it is interesting

639
00:40:17,020 --> 00:40:20,100
and probably as well important to think about these things

640
00:40:20,740 --> 00:40:24,500
in a self critical way. And that's why

641
00:40:26,910 --> 00:40:30,750
I mean the lyrics are a little bit more an accusation but

642
00:40:31,870 --> 00:40:35,150
even more in the video we play with your

643
00:40:36,190 --> 00:40:39,790
perspectives and with your prejudices. You know,

644
00:40:39,950 --> 00:40:43,710
you see this person on the floor and it's in the beginning and that's

645
00:40:43,710 --> 00:40:47,470
why we took somebody who is, is androgen. You don't really see

646
00:40:47,470 --> 00:40:51,230
in the beginning is it, is, is it a her? Is it him and stuff.

647
00:40:51,630 --> 00:40:55,360
Yeah, that was quite a flip at the end there, right? Yeah. And

648
00:40:55,360 --> 00:40:59,000
you think first she's the bad girl or

649
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:02,680
she's the bad guy, you know, and then you get the thing all wrapped

650
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:06,440
up and the thing and, and then you, you find out

651
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,200
and you. We hope you get a little bit

652
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,040
to think about your own perceptions because you thought wrong in the beginning.

653
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,800
You know, that's a little bit as well. The, the thing where you ask

654
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,470
a little bit about your own prejudices and stuff, you know. So.

655
00:41:23,470 --> 00:41:27,270
And he did this beautifully and I. And, and he

656
00:41:27,270 --> 00:41:29,350
did now a beautiful one for Storm

657
00:41:31,110 --> 00:41:34,550
that is. Yeah, coming out on the 15th

658
00:41:35,270 --> 00:41:39,030
with the album and then we have

659
00:41:39,830 --> 00:41:43,590
next one that I really want to mention here because I think it's a

660
00:41:43,590 --> 00:41:47,190
really nice thing. There's a video coming from for

661
00:41:47,190 --> 00:41:48,950
Carter for the only German

662
00:41:51,570 --> 00:41:55,090
on the. On the album that is quite ironic and. And very

663
00:41:55,090 --> 00:41:58,930
unusual. And this is

664
00:41:59,010 --> 00:42:02,810
a crazy video. It's the craziest video

665
00:42:02,810 --> 00:42:06,290
we've done so far. It is a wild ride through Berlin

666
00:42:06,370 --> 00:42:10,050
with a lot of Berlin original figures in

667
00:42:10,050 --> 00:42:13,730
there. You really, really want to point.

668
00:42:13,810 --> 00:42:17,620
Point this one out. So if you like our stuff

669
00:42:17,620 --> 00:42:20,900
and, and that's. It's the cherry on the cake after the album and I think

670
00:42:20,900 --> 00:42:24,620
it's really worthwhile to. To take this one. It's going to come out in

671
00:42:24,620 --> 00:42:27,740
May. Okay. Can you give us any idea what. Like

672
00:42:28,300 --> 00:42:31,180
what do you want to hold the. The story idea

673
00:42:34,700 --> 00:42:38,380
had to wait for it. I mean anyway you. As

674
00:42:38,380 --> 00:42:42,020
it's such a. Such an incredible story. I can't actually

675
00:42:42,020 --> 00:42:45,550
really feel it because it's really crazy. Right through Berlin. It is

676
00:42:45,550 --> 00:42:49,190
actually this person Carter played by me.

677
00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:50,990
It's the second one where I act

678
00:42:54,830 --> 00:42:58,510
his story a little bit. Which is not a person in the. In the

679
00:42:58,510 --> 00:43:02,190
lyrics. In the lyrics Carter is another person. But here

680
00:43:02,990 --> 00:43:06,750
we named in on the set set we called him Lewis, but he

681
00:43:06,750 --> 00:43:09,070
hasn't got a name. Who actually

682
00:43:10,820 --> 00:43:13,540
is the old dandy

683
00:43:15,220 --> 00:43:19,060
party king of. He was the party king of

684
00:43:19,060 --> 00:43:22,180
Berlin but he went down the drain. And

685
00:43:23,540 --> 00:43:27,300
now we get a little bit to get his story and we

686
00:43:27,300 --> 00:43:29,620
follow him through Berlin

687
00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:35,180
in his bad times and get revealed a little bit how

688
00:43:35,180 --> 00:43:38,750
he got there and surf with him through

689
00:43:38,750 --> 00:43:42,350
Berlin. Because the song talks about all these

690
00:43:42,350 --> 00:43:46,030
kind of people who have the

691
00:43:46,030 --> 00:43:48,910
talent to always get into the same shit.

692
00:43:51,470 --> 00:43:54,350
One are very sympathetic. Like that's the first verse.

693
00:43:55,070 --> 00:43:58,590
Friends. We probably all have this friend who always has problems

694
00:43:58,590 --> 00:44:02,430
drugs. And then he gets out of him again and then he falls into

695
00:44:02,430 --> 00:44:06,010
them again. But every time you meet him he has this one great

696
00:44:06,090 --> 00:44:09,850
idea that will save. Solve everything. Oh no,

697
00:44:10,170 --> 00:44:14,010
not again. This is going to be your next disaster. Don't you know it

698
00:44:14,250 --> 00:44:17,930
by now? Right. And the second verse is about

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a person who tends to always fall for the

700
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next sect, you know, or for the next. You know, like

701
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fatter a thing. Yeah. She starts with. With. With.

702
00:44:30,330 --> 00:44:34,170
With Asian sects and then goes into Christian sex and whatever and every

703
00:44:34,670 --> 00:44:38,390
time works for free and stuff and, and. And. And doesn't get.

704
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Get happy. So it's a little bit like these things and in this. In this

705
00:44:41,590 --> 00:44:44,270
ironic way we take a very nice

706
00:44:45,630 --> 00:44:49,310
view of Berlin and, and. And

707
00:44:49,310 --> 00:44:52,110
its figures and it's. It's. It's Corners

708
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from the clubs to the streets. I love it. I love it. Well,

709
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I'm excited. I'm excited for the albums,

710
00:45:01,310 --> 00:45:05,070
obviously excited for, for these videos because you guys do such a, such a

711
00:45:05,070 --> 00:45:08,190
great job on them and I appreciate your time. Nick, thank you so much, man,

712
00:45:08,190 --> 00:45:11,950
for doing this. Thank you. I didn't, I hope I didn't extend it too much.

713
00:45:12,190 --> 00:45:15,550
Oh, no, no, no, no, no, not at all. I, I just didn't want to

714
00:45:15,550 --> 00:45:18,830
take too much of your time, so I love it.

715
00:45:19,150 --> 00:45:22,550
I have one more actually question for you if you have a minute. I want

716
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to know if you have any advice for aspiring artists,

717
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for aspiring artists, like new, anyone that wants to do this as a

718
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musician or you know, any bit of art? I guess.

719
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Yeah, don't. Probably what I pointed out before

720
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already.

721
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Don't be too timid on one hand and don't be

722
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too stubborn on the other one.

723
00:45:55,490 --> 00:45:59,250
See openly what other people bring.

724
00:45:59,570 --> 00:46:02,770
There's so many cool people with so many good, good,

725
00:46:03,410 --> 00:46:07,050
good ideas and so many good capabilities and, and

726
00:46:07,050 --> 00:46:10,890
talents. And so that's the

727
00:46:10,890 --> 00:46:14,730
stubborn side. Don't think you're always on the right side. Let things

728
00:46:14,730 --> 00:46:17,490
flow and, and try to put your.

729
00:46:19,500 --> 00:46:23,300
The need of self esteem a little bit back, you know, to, to flatter your

730
00:46:23,300 --> 00:46:26,540
ego. Just work on your art.

731
00:46:26,940 --> 00:46:30,460
And then on the other side, be, be

732
00:46:30,460 --> 00:46:34,219
confident on this. Let it flow. And when it comes and you like it,

733
00:46:34,219 --> 00:46:38,060
you like it, you like it. You. Rick Rubin.

734
00:46:39,180 --> 00:46:42,620
A very famous saying from Rick Rubin

735
00:46:42,700 --> 00:46:46,540
is art is gift to God or to the gods or whatever you

736
00:46:46,540 --> 00:46:50,300
want. You know, you're not doing it for the

737
00:46:50,300 --> 00:46:54,020
public, you're not doing it for the audience. I mean, you want it to

738
00:46:54,020 --> 00:46:57,740
be loved by the audience, but it, you have to let it flow.

739
00:46:57,740 --> 00:47:01,299
You have to do what you think is right without

740
00:47:01,300 --> 00:47:04,740
being too selfish and pushing people away who could add something. Well,

741
00:47:04,980 --> 00:47:08,580
good, you know, but, but let it be. If, if

742
00:47:08,580 --> 00:47:12,220
your neighbor who does metal

743
00:47:12,220 --> 00:47:15,900
or who does blues and like it, okay, it's probably not your audience,

744
00:47:15,900 --> 00:47:19,140
but. But if you're convinced of it, it's good.

745
00:47:27,220 --> 00:47:28,740
Bring it backward,

746
00:47:32,500 --> 00:47:36,100
bringing it backward, bringing it backward,

747
00:47:36,260 --> 00:47:39,780
bringing it backward, bringing it backward,

748
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bring it backward.