BiB: Madelline - How Flute, TikTok, and Dual Citizenship Sparked a Viral Pop Career

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What is going on? It is Adam. Welcome back to Bringing It Backwards, a podcast

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where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal

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stories of how they achieve stardom. On this

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episode, we had a chance to chat with Madeline over

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Zoom Video. Madeline was born and raised in

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Connecticut and talks about how she got into music. Comes from a

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musical family. There was a piano in her house. She started playing piano at an

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early age, ended up picking up the flute and

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guitar around fifth, sixth grade. She played the

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flute all through middle school, high school, she was in the band and she

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also was really involved in the chorus and choir and the theater program.

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She actually went to college thinking she was going to be an actress. Madeline has

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dual citizenship. Her mom's from Canada, so she ended up moving

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to Montreal at around 19 years old. And

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in Montreal, that's where she really started to focus on her music career and her

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songwriting. Meline talks about the success of the song

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on a different wave. We hear about her viral moments she's

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had on Tik Tok, touring with mbhold and all

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about the new music she's been releasing and a new album,

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a concept album that she's working on as well. You can

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Bringing it backwards. Bringing it back.

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Hi, how are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm fantastic.

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Thank you for having me. No, thank you so much for doing this. I'm really

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excited. Me too. My name is Adam

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and this is about you and your journey in

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music. Hell, yeah. Well, I love the.

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What you've done with dopamine is so cool. With the two languages

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in one earbud in the other earbud, I was just like, I put. I listened

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to that. My brain is like, doesn't know what to do.

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Yeah, because when we made both. When we

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made both language versions, we were super careful about

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keeping, like, let me know if my sounds okay. Is it okay?

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Yeah, it sounds great. Okay, cool. But, yeah, so we were really

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careful about keeping, like, the same rhythmic. Yeah,

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the cadence is all in time. It's crazy.

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That's why it works. Yeah. Because I was trying to figure that out. I was

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like, how come, like, this is so wild? Because usually you translate a language,

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not only does the language not translate perfectly over, but

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not only that, but, like, the cadence and everything is so off, but it

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works perfectly. Totally. Like, there's usually just more syllables,

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but yeah, so we were really careful about that. Well,

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it's awesome. I. I think it's a rad record, so thank you.

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Yeah. So I always kind of start off with your

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origin story. Where were you born and raised? I was born and

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raised in Connecticut. Okay. Because I saw that you

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were from, what, Fairville or Fairfield. Oh, Fairfield,

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Yeah, Fairfield County. Fairfield. And I typed it in, and I'm like, okay, there's an

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Ohio, there's Connecticut,

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South Carolina. This really isn't narrowing it down. They

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weren't very creative with the names, you know, so.

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Connecticut. Tell me about that. So, yeah, I was born

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and raised there. I. My mom is

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Canadian. And so, yeah, I grew up in a

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small town. Basically, we would just, like, walk

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through the woods and smoke weed for fun in the forest

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and what else? Go to strip malls.

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A lot of my local high school would hang out

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at the McDonald's close. To the high school.

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Very suburban life. Yeah, well, Mom's

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Canadian. Is that how you know French? I honestly started

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learning French when I moved to Montreal, like, so. And that's, like, later

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on. So. Okay, so we're way ahead of the horse. Okay.

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Yeah. Okay. So Connecticut. You stay. You're in Connecticut. How do you get

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into music? Do you come from a musical family or, like, creative household?

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Yeah, my mom, like, always was, like, drawing, and

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she always liked art. And my.

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My mom and dad, they got divorced when I was pretty young, but both of

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them, like, loved music. And my parents, when they were together, they

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bonded over their love for music. So, yeah, I

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grew up listening to a lot of, like, Chaka Khan, chic,

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Aretha Franklin, Rolling Stones.

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My mom and I would, like, listen to a lot of Gwen Stefani and jlo,

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and. And, yeah, it was. It was just like, there was

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always music playing and there was a piano in the house, and.

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And I did, like. I did choir in high school

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and middle school. I did band, and I

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did marching band. So what did you play in

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the marching band? Blue. Okay. And I still

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put in some of my songs. I play it on stage during my shows, too.

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That's awesome. Okay. And then you said, there's a piano in your house. Where

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did either your parents play piano or is it just something that was there and

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you picked it up? My mom played a bit of piano.

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Not like, seriously, seriously, but she. But she dabbled

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in piano. Yeah. And it was just around.

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I honestly don't really like playing piano, though. I realized I'm like, I.

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The out. Like, where I put my face. I don't know. It's just. It

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doesn't make sense to my brain spatially, as weird as that sounds, because it

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should be like the most obvious thing. But I prefer. I literally,

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I like, prefer the flute or the guitar. Okay,

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when do you decide to start? Like, were you put in lessons as a.

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A child in piano? Actually, yeah, I did do

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lessons as a kid in piano, and I remember I had kind of like

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a stuffy piano teacher and.

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Why. Why I don't understand this. Like, I've said so many people on that talk

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about this, you know, this pain in the ass piano teacher where it's like,

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they don't want to teach you what you want to learn. They're like, no, you

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will learn, you know, proper everything. You

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know, posture and scales and all this that you probably care about.

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I get it. It's like you have to learn, like, the foundations to then break

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away from that to a certain degree. But also, like, I think you should

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follow your joy, otherwise it becomes this sort of like,

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draining experience. Right. It's like a chore at that point. I don't

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want to go here. I want to learn how to play. Yeah, whatever.

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On piano. Just a girl or something. Exactly.

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And low key. Those would probably be, like, slightly. Maybe even easier

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to place than some of, like, the classical piano stuff. Oh, yeah.

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I mean, probably a lot of, you know, it's a lot

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of repetitive things that you're doing. Yeah.

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If you learn that riff, you'd be stoked and you'd come back. Oh, my

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God. Yeah. I remember learning, like, the Clocks

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by Coldplay. Like the. Oh, yeah.

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I was. That's fire. Like, I really liked that. Yeah, that'll keep you

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coming back because you're like, okay, well, now I know how to play something that

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I can actually hear on the radio or whatever. Yeah,

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exactly. I. Yeah, I really do think more teachers need to.

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Yeah. Just like, follow the joy. Make it fun. Like, make it a fun,

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like, exploratory experience. 100%.

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So when do you get into the flute? I got

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into the flute when I was in.

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I started in fifth grade. Okay.

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And the cousins. Yeah, when I was in fifth grade, you could pick an instrument

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and do that. And then you. If you wanted to continue going to middle school,

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high school and play. Exactly. And I, I like wanted to play

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trombone or like French horn. And my mom was literally like,

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yeah, that, that you don't want to play that instrument. It's like,

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it's kind of like a masculine thing. I was. Oh.

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But honestly, I like looking back, I'm actually

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glad that I ended up playing flute because

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it's so easy to transport. Like. Yeah,

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backpack. Right. Like all the kids who had like the stand up base

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and like all these different, like they had to like wheel it around down the

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hall, bring it on the bus. Too much.

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Yeah, I wasn't. I did the clarinet in fifth grade band. That was it.

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Because I saw this kid put his whole mouth over the mouthpiece and just made

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this like obnoxious like duck sound. And I'm like, that's the one

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that I want to try to play. But my neighbor, we walked to school and

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he played the trombone and I always just felt so bad because he's just lugging

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the like up a hill, you know, down the other side. And

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I'm just. Mine just in the backpack. So I could see why your

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mom didn't want you to go that route. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. I love

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clarinet. I'm like trying to get more clarinets on my, on

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my album. Oh, really? That's cool. I think it sounds cool. I

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just. But I saw this obnoxious sound. I was like drawn to that. I'm like.

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Yeah, in a true, like little kid

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fashion. Yeah, exactly.

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Well, were you in theater as. I mean, a lot of your videos are very

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theatrical. Were you in like musical theater or anything like that? Oh,

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yes. Yeah. That was like a huge part of my upbringing, just

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like being a theater kid and,

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and like I'm. I just had a lot of fun like in, in school because

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I was in the theater productions and we had like a really nice group

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of people at my school who

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it was. It's funny because, like when I grew up, I

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was like. So when I first

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auditioned for like, I think like the first play I ever was in,

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I like wanted to be the lead role immediately. And I was like, actually

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like, I was like kind of

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disinterested when I didn't get the lead role. Even though I like had no

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experience, like what at all, like, probably

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was like shaking during my audition. Like.

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I don't get the lead. I'm out.

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Eventually. Like, I just kept with it and I did like work my way up

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to getting the leads, like in like, in middle school

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and high school, and then I did, like, some community theater productions and.

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And all that. That's awesome. Did you ever play in a band or, like, when

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did you start songwriting? You know, like, I.

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I did. I. I was always, like, casually

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writing things down in

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notebooks and such.

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I. I wasn't writing, like a lot of songs, but I had a few

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little seedlings of songs.

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Like high school and middle school and stuff. Yeah, but I wasn't really.

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I had a couple little things I wrote, but I really wasn't like, writing

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songs at that point. When did that come? Much later?

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Yeah, when I moved to Montreal when I was like

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18, 19, I got. Or actually in like,

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p. When I was in Pace University, I went to acting school for

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a year. I hated it.

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Yeah. Yeah. So I ended

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up. I ended up writing more songs then. And when I moved to

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Montreal. Okay, so you went to college, you went to acting

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college, you didn't like it, and then why just decide to move to Montreal

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just because your mom was from there? My mom's actually from Frederickton,

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New Brunswick. Okay. But I had a.

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I. Since I have dual citizenship. My brother was living there and he was like,

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well, you're not happy and why don't you

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just come up to Montreal? Like, you are Canadian, so you can, if

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you want, like, you can go to school here. It's really affordable.

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So if you're all resident, it's like. It's like 3, 000

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a year. I mean. Oh, my gosh. Yeah.

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Yeah, it's like really. It's really affordable. So.

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Yeah. And then I auditioned for an acting school in

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Montreal and I did not get in. And then.

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Yeah, that was worse. Was that rough? I mean, you don't get in and then

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what are you like. I'm not doing the acting thing. Is that, like, where music

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kind of took over or what? Oh, wait. Actually, sorry,

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I'm confusing the timeline. I auditioned for the acting school when

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I was auditioning for Pace 2, and I didn't make it into that program, but

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I don't think I re. Auditioned, actually. Oh, you just didn't. You got

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into Pace, so you went there instead of moving to Montreal right out of high

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school? Yes, exactly. Okay. But then after I,

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I. Yeah, I just, like, I did some weird jobs. I

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was like, working at, like, a call center.

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When do you start, like, when do you start really kind of pursuing music

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as far as, like, what you're doing now? Oh, yeah. I started

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getting more serious. Like, I started getting more

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serious about music.

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What yeah, around when I was, like, 19 and I.

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And I was writing songs with. With like, my

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roommates, and I ended up writing a lot of songs with this

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guy named Matt who was writing a

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lot of country records then.

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Okay, so you guys just wrote together and then that

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never became anything as far as, like, you guys wouldn't go out and play them

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or anything like that? Not really. I was gonna sign, like, maybe

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a small record deal with like,

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like a Quebecois, like, record label, but

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that didn't pan out. And then I ended up. Yeah, and

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then, like, from there on, I ended up, like, really, like, getting into sessions,

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working, like, trying to hit up anyone. A lot of people freaking

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rejected me. Like, it was really hard to get people to take me

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seriously and to want to work with me, especially because the scene

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is, like, kind of closed there. But you're still in Montreal

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at this point. Yeah, but I would, like, just go and play places live, and

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I found that when I played live because I had, like, a lot of stage

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experience. Like, I would really, like, win people over and then I would get

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opportunities from that. But yeah, it was really

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hard at first to find people who wanted to work with me. And then

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eventually, like, I just pushed and pushed and like,

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just like, locked in with producers and just

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like, push the song, produce some of it myself, and then put the

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songs out. And then that led to more opportunities, you know, and then like my

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first manager and then Spotify playlists and things

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like that. And when are. You're not still in Montreal,

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right? Are you in la? I'm in LA now. Okay, and how long have you

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lived in LA then? Only since, like, June. Oh, okay. So you're new

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to. You recently moved there from Montreal? No, from. Because then I

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moved to New York for like a year. Like, a year.

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And now and I'm. Yeah, it's literally so

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much easier to make an artist career in LA

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just because, like, so many people are more willing to work with new people.

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I mean, now I had moved to LA when I had a lot of connections

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here already, and I had. Yeah, you had a career going already.

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Exactly. But. But still, I think starting off here

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would loki be, like, easier than starting real.

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Okay, so you were just playing a ton and just trying to get into sessions

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and what was like, was there, like a milestone

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or something that kind of got you to the managers, or was it just kind

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of slowly building your. Your brand and your. Your song?

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I'm literally on my. Well, I'm on my third manager now, but I love him.

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Like, he's awesome. But, yeah,

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I plan on keeping him around a little bit. Really good.

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Hi. Jorge. That's his name, Jorge.

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But, yeah. So, yeah, what led to the first

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manager just being connected through someone else who

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I'd known. And they're like, I have this friend who. Who, you

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know, I think manages or works in the music industry. I want

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to introduce you. And then, like, one thing led to the other. And then.

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Yeah, and then honestly, like, I made a lot of connections just, like, through the

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Internet, because I was doing a lot of session. I was doing all my sessions

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remotely. Oh, is this, like, pandemic time? Yeah,

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but before, because I couldn't, like, get in

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with because everyone. No one was really in.

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Interesting. So you were doing that before everyone had to do that?

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Yeah, literally. So I'm, like, used to doing Internet sessions.

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I'm used to doing remote. Okay. What was.

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I mean, I'm just going off your Spotify and you had. I don't want to

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be your friend. That was like, a big moment. Big song, right, for you.

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Was that the first one that really took off? I think the

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first, like, moment I had was, like, On a different Wave. That was when

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I got, like, my first Spotify playlist and I was like,

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oh, and that was really cool. And I

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got, like, some, like, labels interested at that

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point. What record was that one with?

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On a Different Way. Oh, it was a. Oh, on a Different Wave. The song

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On a Different Wave. Sorry. Yeah, it's a single. Yeah. Yeah.

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I don't know. I'm dead.

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Yeah, but yeah, so that one, I got my first Spotify playlist. But,

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dude, like, it's actually up because, like, music actually took me, like, a long

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time to get, like, even notice because on my first song,

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wish I could see I'm it not. It literally took me, like,

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one year to get to a thousand streams on that song.

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Wow. It's hard, right? I mean, you're putting into this abyss of,

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like, millions of songs one year. To get to a

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thousand streams, and now it's like, yeah,

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like, it'd be weird if I didn't do, like, I do way, way, way more

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than that. Like a day just, like, insane.

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It's. It's actually insane. But, yeah, so. But everyone

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always has this, like, vision right before they, like, put out their first song. Like,

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it's going to be fucking huge. Like, but you, like, really just kind

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of have to stick with it and. But, yeah, I don't want to be your

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fucking friend. I produced with this guy named McKenzie in Montreal

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and to Be honest, when I hit him up, I hadn't even heard his music,

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but I just had like an intuitive feeling I should hit him up.

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And then. Okay, yeah, and then we like. And he's

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awesome. And we ended up just like producing.

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We produced it and. Yeah, and I put it out, made a

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sick video for it with some friends in Montreal

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and it did well. I mean, obviously it did pretty well. It did pretty

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well, like do crazy well. But like it got me up to, let's say like

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30,000 monthly listeners on Spotify. So it was like something,

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you know. And then you got perk. I mean, and you put that

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EP out as well, right around that time, or was it a little bit later

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that that's on no complaints. Oh

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wait. Oh yeah, the ep. Exactly. I put that out like

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spread. Yeah, I put. Put that out around in

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2021. And then. Yeah, and then

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participation. I had this like, great session in Montreal with this producer, Jeff

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Harris, and we wrote

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with this other girl, Marissa Miano,

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and. Or Marissa Mayno. Sorry.

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But yeah, and

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ended up being a cool song. And Jeff and I wanted to lock in. He

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was like, you should come to la. And I, I bought a ticket to LA

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and like we. We locked in

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and did participation trophies. We did that. We finished that one, like

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recorded vocals on that and then we just like

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started writing new stuff. I think we. Yeah, we started

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doing that and writing some new too. And that song

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is math. That's a big record for you. Obviously. Participation trophies.

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This do well right away or was it like a. How did it start to

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gain kind of steam? This is actually low key. Like when I

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was pretty vulnerable at this time because,

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well, I'd never really. I'd never had any success on Tick

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Tock or Reels. Like, I. Reels were

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a new thing, but I. Tick Tock was the way that people, you know, got

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from. Got like way more exposure. And I was sort of

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just blowing up overnight. Yes. And I was so scared. But honestly,

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it's like it wasn't just like, you could just post and it would like blow

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up and it. So like there'd be a post that literally flopped so hard and

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you'd be like, maybe I'm just not cut out for this. Maybe my

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song sucks or I just can't do tick tock. And

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now it's honestly changing too Tick tock in general. But,

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but back then at that time I was

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just like, yeah, I was really stressed out. Like I,

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I. Jeff was like encouraging me. Jeff was

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encouraging me to post on Tick Tock and it. I was

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so stressed about it. I would, like, wake up in the middle of the night

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and be like, oh, my God, I look like a idiot. And.

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And I just, like, kept posting the song. And then eventually, like,

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my first video started, like, kind of blowing up,

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and I was like, oh, my God. I, like, couldn't sleep that night.

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Oh, I can't imagine. I always think of it as like a, Like a

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slot machine or something. You just keep pulling and you're like, what is it at

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now? Like, you just wanted to see the, you know, it's like so much dopamine.

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Speaking of your song, like, you know, just like, refresh. Okay, now it's at a

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hundred thousand. Now it's at, you know, 200. It's like, oh, my God. Oh, my

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God. Like, yeah, I wouldn't be jacked. I wouldn't be able to sleep, dude. It

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makes you feel, like, cracked out. Like, I,

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I, I was literally, like, refreshing it, like a,

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like, fiend. And. But yeah, so

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then I saw. Yeah, it went. It did, like, pretty well.

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And then I had a music video shoot the next day, and I was

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literally so tired the whole shoot

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that I, like, it was a bad experience because I was, like, actually

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exhausted and I didn't get any sleep.

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That's so did for the video for that song. It

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never for a difference. Oh, it never came out. Yeah, that was for a different

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song, but it never came out, so. Because I was always

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just like, I want to keep going, make the next thing. Make the next thing.

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Make the next thing. And I was just like, I never wanted to have too

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much time pass where I wasn't working on another thing, another music video.

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So. But, yeah, I mean, but riding the success of that song,

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you Dead is also a big record. I mean, that came out next, right?

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Yeah, that one came out. I think that one came out next. Yeah.

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And I just was, like, developing my, like, style of, like,

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lyrical, like, almost like confessional, vulnerable

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pop. And it was really nice because

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a lot of people were relating to it, and a lot of people

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really felt connected to it. And that was an honor to be

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able to put out music that could make people feel seen

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and, like, obviously, like, I don't want to be your friend. Sure, that makes people

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feel seen, but it's not as, like, in depth and thought out

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as, like, that. I'd consider that song more of, like, a

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vibe, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

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So with. And then you do Dove means the first record that you've done where

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you put it Into French. Correct? Yeah. And

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what. What made you decide to do that? And like, why?

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I mean, because that song had came out and you've put out other records since

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that one. And then you. What, did you go back and do the French version

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or. No, I did them both at the same time. I honestly just had a

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good idea. I was like, you know what? Like, I'm. I want to, like,

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commemorate my time in Montreal and

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I can do this. Like, this is a unique

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talent I possess that stands out and

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I think it sounds cool and I'm just gonna go ahead

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and do it. And. Yeah, and I did both. The idea

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was always to do both. Like one in French, one in

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English. And. Yeah, and I was

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just that. And it's funny because the French version ended up being like a vessel

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for like the English version to pop off, because that version popped off

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first. Really? That's interesting. Were you surprised at that?

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Not like, actually, no, because I knew that it

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was like more unique. Okay. So it like, could cut

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through the noise more because, like, not everyone can do that. So

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it's just like, yeah, 100. Yeah.

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Stand out. So. And I know that, like, yeah, you really have to

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stand out in this industry. Right. And then what gave you the

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idea to do the Split Brain version? I

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think, like, me and my producer, Jeff. Well, he.

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My collaborator, because there are other people who produced on that as well. But

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my collaborator Jeff and I were just. Yeah, I think

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we just were messing around and we were like, we should do this. This would

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be cool. And the idea just randomly came into

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our minds and. And yeah, and I just like, posted.

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Honestly, social media is crazy because I posted that video

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of like the Split Brain version, like way before I put it out. Like a

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year before I put it out. Oh, really? Wow. Yeah,

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like, I'm not gonna release this. This is kind of like kitschy. Like, it's a

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bit. I don't know, like, it's a bit

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hokey. But anyways,

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they're like, the video did like, okay, well, I

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was like, if it like super blew up, like, I'd probably drop it. But it

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did pretty well. But then I had someone in my DMs, like, begging me for

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a long ass time. They're like, please drop it. Please drop the

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Split Brain version on Spotify, please. And I was like, still

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like, no. And then someone else is like, girl, you're like, I

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made a video. I posted a video on YouTube of it. And then

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someone in the comments was like, I don't understand. Like, you're literally like,

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missing out on a bag by not putting this out on Spotify.

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Okay. But it. I did, and I'm. I'm happy

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I did. I was just, like, worried if people, like, put my song on shuffle,

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I'd be like, what the. This is so. But it's mixed

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so perfectly that it's like, when you're listening to it, you can hear,

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like, I'll hear the English version, like, in the,

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The. The French version. There doesn't, like, take away from this

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song or me understanding what you're saying. Yeah. And I, I, I.

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I'm honestly happy I did it too, because, like, also, from

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doing that song, like, I was able to generate more revenue that I then

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could reinvest into doing a writing camp, which I just did for

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my album. Oh, awesome. I just did it. Like,

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I literally just got back yesterday. How was.

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Was crazy. Like, it was my first ever experience

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doing one. And for those of you who don't know what a writing camp is,

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it's basically, like, I put together a group of, like, my

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favorite producers and writers that I worked

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with, and my Jeff and I, who, like, we

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run the label. Lucky bastards. We. We

449
00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,320
rented out the house or this house in

450
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:45,040
Joshua Tree. Yeah.

451
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,640
And we just, like, brought everyone into the house for three

452
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:52,359
days and paired up producers, writers, and

453
00:28:52,359 --> 00:28:55,400
I told them all, like, my vision for what I want the album to be,

454
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:59,120
and then, like, I bounced around and, like, wrote with everyone, and they were, like,

455
00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,290
generating, like, ideas starts for me or, like, or

456
00:29:03,570 --> 00:29:07,250
extending on some ideas that I mentioned. And, yeah, it went

457
00:29:07,730 --> 00:29:11,530
so well. And it was so. It was a lot

458
00:29:11,530 --> 00:29:15,210
of hard work, but it was so, so fun. That is so

459
00:29:15,210 --> 00:29:18,770
cool. What a cool way to put together your. Your album.

460
00:29:19,650 --> 00:29:23,050
It was really cool. Like, there was, like, there was one song that we were

461
00:29:23,050 --> 00:29:26,610
just jamming on at the campfire, and it's kind of funny because, like,

462
00:29:27,090 --> 00:29:30,600
even people who are just sitting there, like, they would get songwriting

463
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,280
credits how it works.

464
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,800
But it's funny. Yeah. Like, we definitely have one song that has, like, probably, like,

465
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:41,400
nine different, like, songwriters on it because we were just, like, sitting at a

466
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:45,280
campfire. That's funny. But it was really cool. And,

467
00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:49,080
like, honestly, whatever makes a sick song makes a sick song. And it.

468
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:53,000
And I love collaborating with people. Like, it feels really good for me to be

469
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:56,520
around other creatives. This industry is really tough, and, like,

470
00:29:56,820 --> 00:30:00,180
the business people, like, pissed me the off in this industry, but.

471
00:30:00,580 --> 00:30:04,380
But I love the creatives in this industry, and that's, like, such

472
00:30:04,380 --> 00:30:08,100
a joy for me. I love that. Do you Are the

473
00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:11,220
most recent records that you've put out, Are those going to be on the album?

474
00:30:11,220 --> 00:30:14,660
Or have you started kind of fresh like this

475
00:30:14,900 --> 00:30:18,020
with this writing camp? Like, this is where the album starts.

476
00:30:18,420 --> 00:30:22,140
I'm starting fresh. Yeah. Because I. I want to, like, usher in, like, a brand

477
00:30:22,140 --> 00:30:25,480
new era. Okay, so, like, outside. That's not

478
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,080
on the album. Be on the record. But it. Those are like, this one. And

479
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,640
then I'm dropping a song called Training Wheels, and those are just gonna be singles,

480
00:30:33,960 --> 00:30:37,080
but then the album is gonna be, like, all fresh.

481
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,520
Oh, awesome. Yeah. I saw your photo you put for Training Wheels.

482
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:44,760
I didn't know that that was gonna be a song where you're, like, in front

483
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:48,200
of the Beverly Hotel. Yes, exactly.

484
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:52,070
Yeah. Yeah, exactly. We, like. We snuck there. We snuck into

485
00:30:52,070 --> 00:30:55,630
that spot and just. Took a picture on a

486
00:30:55,630 --> 00:30:59,470
trike. Yeah. Oh, my God. Wait. The funniest thing about

487
00:30:59,470 --> 00:31:03,110
that was, like, my life. My life is, like, pretty fucking

488
00:31:03,110 --> 00:31:05,430
strange, I will say so. It's like

489
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:10,470
I was wearing this, like, huge poofy pink dress. Like,

490
00:31:11,190 --> 00:31:14,070
my vision, literally, I pictured in my mind, I'm like, I need to do this.

491
00:31:14,310 --> 00:31:17,670
So I just got this huge, huge, puffy pink dress,

492
00:31:18,590 --> 00:31:22,110
and then I. And I, like, picked up a trike on Facebook. Marketplace.

493
00:31:22,110 --> 00:31:25,430
Anyway, so I was. I was like, right outside the Beverly

494
00:31:25,430 --> 00:31:29,030
Hotel. We were trying to find a good spot. We were just driving around, trying

495
00:31:29,030 --> 00:31:32,590
to find a good location to take a picture. Then, like, right as I'm literally

496
00:31:32,590 --> 00:31:36,190
in, like, stripper heels, basically, with, like, dress

497
00:31:36,190 --> 00:31:39,950
and the trike, there's like, a Hollywood tour bus that, like, drives

498
00:31:39,950 --> 00:31:43,790
by, and they literally all, like, slow down, look out the window, and, like,

499
00:31:43,790 --> 00:31:47,580
take pictures. They're

500
00:31:47,580 --> 00:31:51,420
like, whoa, okay, what is going on? You got

501
00:31:51,420 --> 00:31:55,260
your. You got your little Holly Hollywood experience. Yeah.

502
00:31:55,340 --> 00:31:59,180
That's hilarious. What's this training wheel sound

503
00:31:59,260 --> 00:32:02,820
like, what you're gonna be putting on the album, or is the album

504
00:32:02,820 --> 00:32:06,580
totally different than what you've been releasing currently? I

505
00:32:06,580 --> 00:32:10,340
think they'll be definitely remnants, like, because I'm working with some of the same

506
00:32:10,340 --> 00:32:13,660
collaborators, so it's like, it's not going to be, like,

507
00:32:13,660 --> 00:32:17,180
staunchly different, but, like, there's going to be. A lot of people are not

508
00:32:17,180 --> 00:32:20,780
expecting for this album. And it's like, I'm planning, like,

509
00:32:20,780 --> 00:32:24,260
I'm, like, creating a world. Oh, that's awesome.

510
00:32:24,820 --> 00:32:28,220
Yeah. Is there, like, a theme behind the. Like, is it, like, a concept album

511
00:32:28,220 --> 00:32:31,820
or. No? Yeah. Oh, it is. It's a

512
00:32:31,820 --> 00:32:35,620
concept album. And there's like, I just. It's meant to accompany,

513
00:32:35,620 --> 00:32:39,470
like, my Live show. Brad, when do you think you'll have

514
00:32:39,470 --> 00:32:43,190
it finished? My goal is, like, this January and

515
00:32:43,190 --> 00:32:47,030
February. I'm gonna lock in and just write

516
00:32:47,670 --> 00:32:51,350
the. The write these songs out, produce them out more, and

517
00:32:51,750 --> 00:32:55,110
try to figure out, like, maybe what I'm missing in my album.

518
00:32:55,350 --> 00:32:58,990
And then I'd say I'm gonna start dropping singles at some point,

519
00:32:58,990 --> 00:33:02,590
like, next year for the album, and then possibly

520
00:33:02,590 --> 00:33:05,510
drop, like, the whole album in, like, fall 2025.

521
00:33:06,260 --> 00:33:10,100
Wow. Damn. So, yeah, you've got. You got it ready to kind of go

522
00:33:10,100 --> 00:33:13,860
here. Well, I appreciate your time, Madeline.

523
00:33:13,860 --> 00:33:17,660
Thank you so much for doing this. Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much, too.

524
00:33:17,660 --> 00:33:21,260
I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Of course. I have one

525
00:33:21,260 --> 00:33:24,820
more question for you. I want to know if you have any advice for

526
00:33:24,820 --> 00:33:28,020
aspiring artists. Oh, okay.

527
00:33:28,660 --> 00:33:30,980
Yes, I totally do.

528
00:33:34,750 --> 00:33:36,110
I just need a second to think.

529
00:33:39,870 --> 00:33:43,710
I would say that when you're first starting off, I think your greatest

530
00:33:44,510 --> 00:33:47,950
battle is against, like, your own mind and your own

531
00:33:48,110 --> 00:33:51,710
insecurities that are telling you you're not good

532
00:33:51,710 --> 00:33:54,430
enough or you. You can't do this

533
00:33:55,630 --> 00:33:59,200
or, like, you should give up. But I think if you can just, like,

534
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:02,560
continue to push through even though you're having those negative thoughts,

535
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:06,800
you'll start to see, like, the fruits of your labor and,

536
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,920
like, the seeds that you've planted, like, start to blossom.

537
00:34:10,720 --> 00:34:13,759
And. And I would say focus on

538
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,160
people in your circle. Like, your greatest links

539
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,680
are people who are already in your circle. I would just hit up people who.

540
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,800
Who I knew produced and that I could access instead of,

541
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,560
like, chasing people that were just like, who is this bitch? You

542
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:33,320
know what I mean? So. So focus on the

543
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,560
people that are in your circle and. And just, like,

544
00:34:38,240 --> 00:34:42,040
yeah, just fucking keep going. Honestly, I feel like that's the hard part. You

545
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:43,120
just need to keep going.

546
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:51,040
Bring.

547
00:34:56,090 --> 00:34:59,530
Bringing it backwards, bring it backwards,

548
00:34:59,690 --> 00:35:03,210
bring it backwards, bring it backward,

549
00:35:03,370 --> 00:35:05,050
bring it backward.