BiB: Henry Cox (Boston Manor): Quitting the Day Job, Signing the Label Deal, & Pandemic Setbacks

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What is going on? It is Adam. Welcome back to Bringing It Backwards, a podcast

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where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal

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stories of how they achieve stardom. On this episode, we

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had a chance to hang out with Henry of the band

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Boston Manor over Zoom video. Henry was

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raised in Blackpool, England and talks about how he got

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into music. Henry started singing at a very early age. He took

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part in the Christmas shows and the Easter concerts

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were held in his local town. He talked about starting to play drums

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and actually getting into a art school for high

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school. So he was in the jazz band, played drums and also

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sang. Played drums with a bunch of bands early on,

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eventually started to sing. When he met the guys in

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Boston Manor, he talked about jamming with Mike and Dan, brothers

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in the band for the first time when what that was like kind of the

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connection and chemistry they had. Henry then invited

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Ash and Jordan who he'd known from previous bands,

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and that's how they started Boston Manor. They talked about the success they

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had fairly early on, a lot of roughing it with some of

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those early tours, what it was like getting signed to Pure Noise Records

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touring the United States for the first time. And Henry talks a lot

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about the new album as well. You can watch the interview

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with Henry and myself on our Facebook page and YouTube channel

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Manor.

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Awesome. Well, I'm Adam, man. Nice to meet you. Nice to meet you, bro.

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And this is a podcast about you and your journey in music and

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obviously we'll talk about the new album you guys have coming out.

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Sounds great. Sweet. So I always kind of start

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off with your, kind of your origin story. Where were you born

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and raised? I was born in a place called

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Burton, which is just in the middle of the country. But I,

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I didn't, I moved to the Blackpool area,

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which is where we're from, when I was like a couple years old. So

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I grew up there. It's town by the sea. I

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grew up in a place called St. Anne's which is like a kind of nice

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sub. Nice ish suburb of the town.

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Yeah. So I went to school there. Like half my family's from there

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and stuff. So. Yeah, it was a pretty, pretty nice

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place to. Nice ish place to grow up, you know. Pretty. Pretty

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quiet. Nothing. Nothing super crazy. Love it. Love it.

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What about as far as a creative household? You come from like a musical family

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or anything like that? No, no, not at all.

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Like, and that self, you know, self confessed. I

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don't mean to. To shit on my parents or anything, but the right.

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I say not creative. That's not true. My mom is creative,

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I suppose. Not musical. My mom is great. She. She was.

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When I was like 10, she like quit her job and

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she did like, it sounds really random but like face painting

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full time. So it was. Did like kids. Oh cool. Yeah, like kids birthday parties

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and stuff. Oh right on. Yeah, yeah, like events and. And stuff. She

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still does it now among other things, but

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I guess she has like a creative streak in that side of things. But there

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wasn't like, you know, the parent playing

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guitar in the household or, or anything

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like that, you know. Sure. Well then how did you get into music? Were

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you like drawn to it as a teenager or.

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I was trying to think about this the other day, you know, because I'm. I

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have a sister, but I'm the eldest, so I didn't really have that kind of,

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you know, record collection bestowed upon me by an elder sibling which

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some, some of my bandmates, well, one or two, my bandmates

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are brothers and one bestowed music to the other. But they all have

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elder siblings that kind of gave them at least a. Record,

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some idea of what was cool at the time or whatever.

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Exactly. Yeah. But I think so.

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So when I was like a little, little kid

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I. I really loved like basketball, which was like

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really hard to come by in the UK at that time.

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Like you couldn't watch the NBA or anywhere. You couldn't even buy like

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basketball jerseys anywhere. So I like, I think I, I loved it

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from Space Jam. I think I saw Space Jam as a little

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kid and was like, this is sick.

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And I got like my dad for like my

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birthday. You could get like a really, really shitty.

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It wasn't even like an ESPN subscription in the uk. It was like a

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sort of like portal that you would pay like five bucks a month and you

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would get like highlight reels and stuff because it was like early

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Internet, like dial up Internet so you couldn't really like watch

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long videos or anything. Sure. But I would

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email you a clip or something like that. I guess it was just like their

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website and be like here's you know, this week's wrap up and you just see

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loads of like, you know, almost like kind of like watching like a sports show

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where they show you loads of news clips and stuff. And his. Here's the results

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of this game and here's some like highlights from it. But there always be like

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really cool like kind of very early

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2000s, like hip hop over these, over these

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clips. And it was stuff that wasn't really coming over the.

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Onto the radio and I guess I just would have had the radio

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and I remember kind of being like this is really cool and trying to kind

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of find out what. Sometimes it would tell you what the song was in the

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bottom corner and it was like. I don't think it would have been anything like

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crazy undergr. But it was just stuff that, that I'd never really

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heard of before. So I started getting into like hip

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hop through that and I really loved all that

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stuff. Do you remember like a specific artist or anything

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like like what was it like? Naughty by nature? I don't know. I'm just trying

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to think of something that might have been like those highlight reels. Yeah, it

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was. There was a little bit of like, like

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RZA and. And oh stuff which was cool.

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But then there was a lot of. Because it was like the early 2000s there.

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Like timberland and stuff like sure, it's like

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before he was like even big as a producer. Like just his rap stuff and

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a lot of like west coast stuff. But I guess like Red man and

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stuff. Nothing. I know he's not west coast, but. Nothing, nothing.

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Nothing that I would say I still listen to now. I'm trying to. I'm trying

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to think like it was probably even stuff like friggin

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Soldier Boy and stuff. I don't know. Yeah, okay. I'm thinking early. I was going

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even earlier. I was going like 90s. But yeah, like early 2000s. Maybe

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some of that like, you know what I mean?

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Absolutely. Back that ass up.

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Probably Joe Bodden and stuff. But I, I didn't

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have any kind of. No one

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told me about music. So I was just kind of like it

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was anything that I heard I would just kind of soak it up really.

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So I just kind of listened to everything. And I remember

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in year six in school so element. That's like the last year of

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elementary school. Yeah, you'd be like 10, I suppose or 11.

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In the UK there was a kid in My year,

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my class. Shout out Mike Simmons. He's listening. He's

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definitely not. He was like the

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cooler kid in class because he was like real tall, like good at sports and

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stuff. But he was a nice guy and he had a lot of older brothers.

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I remember he told me he was like you got to check out this band.

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My brother showed me, they're called Linkin Park. And he,

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he gave me, I can't if he gave it me or I think I actually

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went out and like bought it or something but because I didn't know how to

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like like Limewire wasn't a thing then. And it was kind of pre

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like Napster maybe. Yeah, maybe Napster was about. I fucking

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wouldn't know what that was. I was like 10. But, but iTunes

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wasn't really popping yet. I don't think maybe it was but we're talking like

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2003 or 2002. So I, I don't know.

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But he, yeah, I think like I, that probably came around a couple years after.

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I'm a little bit older. I remember when I like itunes and just trying to

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figure out how to get something onto an I I pod at

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the time was like so mind blowing. I'm like wait, I have to load all

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my music onto here. And then I could, yeah, they made it.

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But I, I he was like you got to check this record out. Like this

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band out and Hybrid Theory just come out. So I went out and and like

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bought it with like my, my pocket money from you know, I

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get a weekly allowance from like I don't know. Hoovering

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doors or whatever. Yeah. Doing household chores and stuff. So I went out and I

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probably saved like a month for that thing. But I went out and bought Hybrid

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Theory and because so

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it blew my head off because obviously it's an

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amazing record that still really, I think really holds up today. I love it. I

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but obviously you have kind of like the rapping bits in it. So I

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guess to my ear then I was like, oh, there's like this is

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familiar to me. But then this is like screaming and

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really heavy like guitar and drums and stuff and I

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just loved it. And I guess the early 2000s as well was we were, we

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were messing around with like mixing metal and like hip hop

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all over the place. Weren't we like on both sides at the aisle?

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So there was a lot of cross pollination there. But I think

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that was my first kind of thing where I'd kind of gone out of my

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own way to like find a thing and found it was like,

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whoa, this is melting my mind. And from

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there, were you, like, you know, with Lincoln park, did that open up

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the doors to a lot of those other artists that are kind of fall within

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that same genre at the time? I guess.

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Were you listening to other, like, rock bands that you kind of

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found through Linkin park at that time, or. Yes. Like, it just kind of

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whatever I could get my hands on. Like, I. I was a bit sort of

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young for, like, new metal to have been around at

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the first wave, you know, Like, I guess I heard Linkin park,

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but. But kind of the new metal thing, I feel like the wave, it. Or

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the wave had already crested at that point when I sort of got into my

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teens. But anything that I was kind of, kind of

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hearing and, you know, I would start, like, sort of reading the mute, flicking through

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the music magazines in the news agents,

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trying to find bands that way. And if, you know, if I saw, like, Linkin

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park, if they were wearing, like, a band T shirt, you know, like

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a Deftones T shirt, like a far T shirt, and I'd be like,

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I gotta check that out. But it was kind of. I guess as soon as,

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like, YouTube and LimeWire and stuff came in that I was just like,

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I need to know about all the music. Like, every single

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little thing. And I think at that point, yeah, it was. We. We have in

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the UK or had, like, music TV

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stations, but they were only available on, like, sky tv, which was like, our kind

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of cable. Okay. And I. My. We couldn't afford cable,

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but my. My nan had it and over to her

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house, so she's always been like, oh, it's so nice to see you, like,

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visit little old me. And I'd be like, yeah, good to see you. Now I'm

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just gonna go, like, what. I'm gonna go

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exactly. But, yeah, it'd be like

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that and score. So it'd be also. And at that point, you know, it'd be

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like the Foo Fighters. And then it'd be like System of Down and

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then, you know, kind of all over the shop, really. So I'd just be

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watching anything and everything and sucking it all up. I don't remember

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the being kind of. I. I don't think I really had the

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foresight at that age to kind of distinguish,

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I guess, like, genres or like, sub genres between bands. It was

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just like. Yeah, it was. You know, this is

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heavier, right? I like this. And then what. How do you then

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decide? Or do you, like, get a guitar or, like, what. Like,

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what kind of puts you towards wanting to make

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music. I guess it never really. So

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I was then I guess going into high school and

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I got a music scholarship to go to like a.

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Like a kind of. I guess you call it like a grammar school

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in the town where I live. So it was like a free ride to like

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a sort of a good school, I guess a high school

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because. Was that through like. Yeah, I guess. How did you get the scholarship? Was

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it for singing or like, how did like. And then how do you. Yeah,

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it was for singing. I had singing lessons as

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a little kid and did some like kind of

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musicals and the church choir and all

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sorts of like super, super kind of

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suburban activities, I

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guess. I don't know. I just kind of.

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Your parents put you in that. I mean, you obviously. Yeah, yeah,

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a great singer. That's what you do. But you know what I mean? Like, was

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that something that your. Your mom or dad heard you early on

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were like, wow, you know, Henry can. He can sing. Let's throw him

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in this. Or. I, I wanted to do

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like. There was like a yearly like Christmas musical thing

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that in the town. And I just did that

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as a little kid, like 8 years old, you know, some other kids that I

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knew in my street would do it and it was just something to keep us

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occupied, I guess on like Saturday mornings for

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however, you know what I mean? So I did that and then

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I would, I guess sometimes get like singing parts in. In that.

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And the primary school I went to was. Was like a Church of England primary

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school. A lot of them are. I didn't grow up in a particularly religious

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household, but it's just kind of like, you go to these

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schools and they're normally partner with a church and you'll do like whenever there's like

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Easter or Christmas, there'll be like, you know, like a pageant. I

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should do a little. Little concert, whatever. Yeah, quiet. So I'd

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done some of that stuff and I think it must have been somebody at my.

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Because there was like two schools in my town and. And they're both good schools,

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but one of them, I guess this one was like, oh, they have a music

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program at the school and you could go to it

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and apply for it, I guess. And they'll

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take an X amount of like singers or whatever you do. There was a big

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like music program. So there's a lot of people in my year that were playing

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like violin and. And like the. And the piano and stuff.

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And I. I couldn't play any instruments, but I could just sing. So I went

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that. And then from That I kind of had to do all

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the music stuff in the school. Sure. Playing the drums as well.

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So I would play drums in like the jazz band,

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like a school musical concert thing or whatever. I would be

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the drummer that played in the band that did the music for it or whatever.

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And then I met just loads of friends who were like. I met basically

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the only other kids in the school who were like, well, I play guitar and

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I like, rancid. Okay, be in a band. Start

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a band. Right? Yeah, exactly. And so there's probably like five

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kids and we would just sort of scrape together some covers. And

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we never really did, like, did a lot, but,

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you know, there was a bunch of like, iterations of the high school jam

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band thing. I feel like everybody has that at some point, right? Like.

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Yeah. Were you drumming for that or were you singing in those?

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Yeah, all drumming. I never. I never sang. Oh, wow. In

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like a. Any band. Why? Sang in. So

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I never sang in any of these high school bands, basically. I was always a

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drummer. And then all my. All my, like, close friends really

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didn't go to that school. They went to the other school.

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So I would kind of, like school would let out and I would go hang

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out with those guys. And loads of them were all

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musicians and played like, all different kind. They were all into, like, music like

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me, and they all played guitar and stuff. So we started a band that was

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kind of like my first band that, like, played a gig, so to speak. Sure.

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And they already had a drummer and he was better than me, but

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they needed a singer and it was

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like a kind of. I don't know what this band was. I.

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I don't think it was metalcore, but I don't think it was like post

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hardcore and I don't think it was like indie. It couldn't decide what

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it was. And it was kind of all three of those things. And it

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was 2000. It was like 2009.

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So this was like right here where there was a lot of two vocalist

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bands. Oh, yeah. That was a big thing. Sure. Huge. Right,

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so. So I was the clean singer and. Then my friend was the

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screamer. Was the screamer. Exactly. Yeah. So we did

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that. And it was a lot of fun, actually. And I learned a lot about

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just kind of like songwriting and being in a band and stuff. And played

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the first ever gig, like, in front of people that was that. Like,

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honestly, it was in a pub and there were

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about five people watching us and two of them were these old guys at

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the bar who were just heckling us the whole time. And it was in,

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it was in like the middle of the day. Yeah, it was very good,

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very good gig. Yeah. Oh, wow. But we, you know,

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we would like, book our own shows and put on shows and we would kind

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of travel all around the Northwest. You know, we played a show in Manchester, which

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is like, it's where I live now, but it's like the kind of nearest big

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city. You know, we, we kind

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of did our best and had a lot of fun doing it

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and, but I'd never really sort of thought about

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anything other than it being for fun, really. And then I knew

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a lot of these, the people in Blackpool who were in bands from these, this

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band kind of putting on gigs and,

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and, you know, playing shows together and stuff and, and all that.

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So I, I went off to college, to university,

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to, to art school

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with little intention of coming back, to be honest. And

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then did you go for it. To pursue music or did you

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go for something? Totally. Yeah, no, no, I, I basically went to do film,

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so. Oh, interesting. Yeah, I kind of transitioned from

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that. I did the band thing, but I started shooting music videos for

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all the bands in the area. So I met a lot more people through

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that, to be honest. Okay. I would just. Are you still

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doing that now with your videos and everything? Are you a big part in that?

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I, no, I mean, I, I actually saying that I did just do our most

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recent video, but that's more of like a kind of graphical

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thing. I don't really pick up a camera, so to speak, but I,

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I, I'm normally quite closely involved with music video

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stuff for Boston Mania, but I,

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I, I did that a lot. I really enjoyed it.

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And I met Ash and George who are in Boston Manor because I shot

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their, their video. Oh, wow. Okay.

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Yeah, that's why we, and then do you guys just decide at one point, like,

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are all your bands kind of like at a certain level and it just

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won't go past or their members that are like, like, did you get

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to a point where you like, you were like, I really want to take this

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seriously. And maybe those guys were in a band, they wanted to take it seriously

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because I know, like, at that age of like, where you're not

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there yet, right, and you maybe been doing it for a while.

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Members are like, yeah, I'm just gonna, I want to like, get a job and

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have a life or like, I, you know, I don't want to. This is, it's

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so difficult, right, to like, get to some success with

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this. Was it a Point where

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that's how you guys all got together to then form Boston Man. Or, like, how

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did. How did that happen? In a roundabout way, yeah, because. Because

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all these bands kind of broke up when everyone kind of went off to, like,

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you say, either go to college or get a job

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or whatever. I guess we were all around the same age, give or take a

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couple years. So, you know, they all kind of ended at a similar time.

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And I got a call from friend

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who was saying that these two brothers, and I knew of them, I didn't know

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them very well, but they were starting a new band

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and they needed a singer. Let's just go, like, chat to him. And I

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immediately hit it off of them and was like, oh, I have, like, a real

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immediate sort of, like, chemistry with these two. And we started immediately,

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like, writing music. And immediately from that, those demos, I was like, oh, this is

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like something different altogether. Like, this. This feels. It could be like a. Like

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an actual sort of band, really. And I hadn't really ever

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considered. I don't think I would have known how to be, like,

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in, like, a professional quote, unquote

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band back then. It. I. I felt like another

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world, really. But I just immediately had this kind of, like, energy.

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And I knew that these songs that we were writing were okay, like, quite

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good, at least by my kind of standard at the time.

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So I got the other two in Ash. And

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so at that time, it was just you, Mike and Dan.

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Yeah. Yeah. We wrote a demo, which was like five songs

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with no drums. Or were you drumming on it or just MIDI drums?

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Okay. On the demo. And then we were like. We

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immediately wanted to, like, start playing shows and

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kind of getting out of the Northwest because. Because where we're from is a bit

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of a sort of. It's not remote

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at all, really, but it's. There's not a lot going on here in terms of,

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like. Not a lot of touring acts come through the county that we're from, Lancashire.

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Not a lot of touring acts really come through. So the nearest kind

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of major place to play would be at the time here, really.

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So we immediately want to start playing shows. And I knew Ash and

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George, and I was like, I know a good drummer and a

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guitarist. So got immediately kind of started

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practicing with those guys and. And it just clicked really, really naturally, really

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instantly. And we started playing as many

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shows as we could. We bought, like, an old

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postal band and turned it into, like, a band, man. Oh,

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rad. Going down to. I think our third ever show was in London, which, at

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the Time, you know, I think a couple of members had never even been to

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London. You know, at the time it felt like such a sort of far off

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place. Well, it's like a big. It's like probably it's the biggest city, right? I

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mean like, that's like going. If you're like in the States, you're like, I'm going

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to New York or LA to play, right? Yeah, yeah. And it's like six hours

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away, which in the UK is like a long, quite a long. That's a long

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drive, right? Yeah, totally. So it's a big deal for us

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and we started kind of just booking shows ourselves and making friends

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on Facebook and, and trying to book tours. And we did, we did our

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first ever tour. We did a split with a friend's like

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hardcore band and then we started

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kind of like writing, I guess, more, more kind of

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complete sounding songs. I mean, the music sounds very different from the music that we

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make now, but it resembled like more of a kind of

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developed band, I would say, than the kind of previous

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bands that we'd been in. So we did that for

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like a couple years and we got to Europe on like a DIY tour where

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our van broke down halfway through. We were stranded

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in France for like a week and then we had to like, oh

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man, kind of hitchhike home. Honestly, it was, it was pretty

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fucked. But we had loads of fun adventures like that, man.

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Like tons of them. We ended up in all sorts of crazy places. We ended

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up. Our van would break down all the time. We played a show in like

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rural Wales and then had to like.

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It ran out. In fact, it didn't even break down. This is how stupid it

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is. It ran out of fuel. I was gonna ask,

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did you run out of. Exactly. And it's like super hilly, so we had

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to push the van for like four miles until

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we like right on the edge of this town to go and like fill up.

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And it was like up hills and so this van was tiny, so five of

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us could do it. But yeah. Oh my God.

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And then, yeah, we, we. We

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got signed to. Yeah, you signed a Pure Noise, right, Like

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after you had released like an EP and that split you were

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talking about. And. Yeah. How does Pure Noise do they find you

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just because they. You've been touring and you're like a hard working band or

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like, how did you kind of build that relationship to start that and how did

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that kind of change the trajectory of the band or

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like that? Because, you know, you, you think getting signed is like, oh,

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We've got it, you know. Right. That's like the dream. So then that

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happens and you get signed to a legit label. Well, it

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was a real bucket list label for us as well, which is

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amazing. You know, we kind of said, well, here we picked up a

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manager who he. He

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worked with us for a while. He's a nice guy. And he.

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He kind of like fished around and we got a couple of offers. We got

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one in from Hopeless Records. Wow, that's still another big one.

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It was a. Is a terrible offer. It was like. It was almost

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360 deal. Even our lawyer was like, we got a lawyer.

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He was like, I really would recommend you don't sign this record deal. It's. It's

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really bad. And we were like, booze? Yeah, but it's Hopeless

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record. Look at these bands. Exactly. Yeah. And

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a bunch of bands were blown upon at the time. And

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then we got into like, what you call, like the long form. Yeah, like

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the short form, which is. Sorry, no, we got to the short form. Wait, which

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comes first? Yeah, the long forms are like the final sort of like, okay,

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sign on the dotted line kind of thing. And then like

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just before we were about to sign it, Pure Noise just kind of popped in

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our inbox and we're like, do you want to have like a. Like a Skype

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presume? Yeah, we'd love

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to. And then we. We met Jake from Pure Noise,

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who's still a good friend of ours today to this day. And he's a

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Nashville guy, I think, right? What, Sorry, does he live in Nashville?

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I mean, I live in Nashville now. Yeah. I don't know if Jake is

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Pure Noise relocated to Nashville. I'm not sure if Jake's still in. In

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the Bay Area or if he is international. I'm not sure.

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I think he's. He's back and forth a little bit. But yeah, we,

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we. We spoke to him and we just really

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liked him straight away. And he was awesome and really kind

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of got what we were trying to do. And,

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and yeah, we. We signed with him like the next week. And. And it was

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amazing. And. And there was a real sort of immediate

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kind of kickstart to what we were doing. And. And they got us out to

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the US which at that time, I mean, it's hard enough now. Like, we're

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finding it difficult to get to us at the moment, like, because. Of things like

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money and visas and all that. Yeah, I mean,

446
00:27:51,020 --> 00:27:54,220
costs have gone insane after Covid, but at that time, you know,

447
00:27:55,020 --> 00:27:58,100
UK bands just didn't get out there. It just didn't. It just wasn't really a

448
00:27:58,100 --> 00:28:01,780
thing. You get all these huge UK Bands that were

449
00:28:01,780 --> 00:28:05,500
doing so well domestically that just never really had a chance to

450
00:28:05,500 --> 00:28:09,220
tour over there. I don't think we. We'd ever expected to be able to

451
00:28:09,220 --> 00:28:12,460
do that. That was kind of immediately. Our expectation.

452
00:28:12,620 --> 00:28:16,140
Expectations have been exceeded when that. When that happened. In fact, it was a bit

453
00:28:16,140 --> 00:28:19,920
of a false start. First, the first U. S. Tour going to do. Our visas

454
00:28:19,920 --> 00:28:23,520
didn't get approved in time, and we were. It got down to the wire and

455
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:27,200
we were, like, packed for the tour, gonna fly, like, the next

456
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,000
day. And we were like, it's gonna come in today. And then we got this

457
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,640
call from our manager, and they were like, it's not happening. So we had to.

458
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:36,240
We had to drop off the first tour that we were meant to do, which

459
00:28:36,240 --> 00:28:40,040
was. Oh, man. Yeah. Who was that? Was that the. Was that.

460
00:28:40,040 --> 00:28:43,560
I think I saw something about that. Was that the Can't Swim tour? It was

461
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:47,400
the Pure Noise Records tour. So I'm trying to remember now, but I think it

462
00:28:47,400 --> 00:28:51,220
was like, Can't Swim were on it, I think. And then it would have

463
00:28:51,220 --> 00:28:54,660
been something like, I don't know, like four years. Strong

464
00:28:54,740 --> 00:28:58,420
and, okay, hit the leg. Maybe state champs or something

465
00:28:58,580 --> 00:29:02,340
like, oh, yeah, yeah, okay. Punk tour. But I. I can't remember who else

466
00:29:02,340 --> 00:29:05,980
was on at the time, but, yeah, we were super

467
00:29:05,980 --> 00:29:09,700
bummed about that. But it came through, like, later. Like,

468
00:29:09,700 --> 00:29:12,740
I think either later on that year or. Or early the following year.

469
00:29:14,020 --> 00:29:17,240
And then from there, we. We. We did like

470
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:21,160
three US Tours a year. We start. People in the UK and Europe start

471
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:23,920
complaining, saying we were like a US Band now. Like, we would be there all

472
00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:27,760
the time. Well, and your band's name is Boston Manor, so, I

473
00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,080
mean, people probably assumed right away, oh, boss. And, you know,

474
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,960
yeah, we do all right Massachusetts. Band.

475
00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:37,720
We do all right our New England.

476
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:42,520
That's funny. Yeah. So you put that record out. I mean, you guys

477
00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:45,800
did Warped Tour, what, a couple of years later, a year later? I mean, you

478
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:49,610
start seeing things started happening, right. Once that. Once you

479
00:29:49,610 --> 00:29:53,330
made the US Trip and. And everything else, it really snowballed.

480
00:29:53,330 --> 00:29:57,010
And we were like, you know, we were super young and we were on tour

481
00:29:57,010 --> 00:29:59,810
all the time. We talk for, like 10 months of the year. And when we

482
00:29:59,810 --> 00:30:03,610
weren't touring, we were like, in the studio making records and stuff. So it was

483
00:30:03,610 --> 00:30:06,610
kind of nonstop from, I would say, sort of

484
00:30:07,490 --> 00:30:11,250
2016 until the pandemic hit, really,

485
00:30:11,250 --> 00:30:14,990
like, kind of completely relentlessly. And it was it was amazing. You

486
00:30:14,990 --> 00:30:18,750
know, we. We did like, like you say Warped Tour was like, such an incredible

487
00:30:18,750 --> 00:30:22,350
experience. Like, I'm so grateful to have done that. It was unreal.

488
00:30:23,470 --> 00:30:25,630
We did like, Japan, Australia,

489
00:30:27,710 --> 00:30:31,190
you know, we made like a couple albums in the States, which was really, really

490
00:30:31,190 --> 00:30:34,790
sick. And. And then, yeah, it kind of

491
00:30:34,790 --> 00:30:38,590
just all ground to a halt really quickly when the pandemic hit, which was.

492
00:30:38,590 --> 00:30:42,150
I mean, I'm. I'm jumping ahead here, but it's. It's. No, it does feel like

493
00:30:42,150 --> 00:30:45,030
a bit of a whirlwind that kind of three or four years because it was

494
00:30:45,030 --> 00:30:48,470
just so non. Nonstop, you know? Yeah. Because you guys did.

495
00:30:48,630 --> 00:30:52,430
I mean, you put out three albums with Pure

496
00:30:52,430 --> 00:30:55,270
Noise and. And it sounds like it was in that kind of time, right where

497
00:30:55,270 --> 00:30:59,070
it was. Stuff was going and it was like, okay, now you put out welcome

498
00:30:59,070 --> 00:31:01,510
to the Neighborhood and that does really well and

499
00:31:02,710 --> 00:31:06,430
you get nominated for awards and. And all

500
00:31:06,430 --> 00:31:09,670
these things start happening. Like, at what point were you guys working, like, day jobs

501
00:31:09,670 --> 00:31:13,430
prior to signing with Pure Noise? And, like, did they. Do you remember going

502
00:31:13,430 --> 00:31:16,550
in and like, quitting your job or not having to do that anymore?

503
00:31:17,430 --> 00:31:21,270
Yeah, yeah. I mean, I like. So I

504
00:31:21,270 --> 00:31:24,830
kind of had like an actual job for a little bit, and it's the only

505
00:31:24,830 --> 00:31:27,750
proper job that I've ever had, so I would just like,

506
00:31:28,470 --> 00:31:31,510
work in bars and shit. But I had like a job

507
00:31:32,230 --> 00:31:35,790
in this weird. Like, it was like a. It was really weird. It was like

508
00:31:35,790 --> 00:31:39,580
a local. Imagine like a local Yelp, but like just

509
00:31:39,580 --> 00:31:43,180
okay area. It was really strange. It was kind of like a

510
00:31:43,180 --> 00:31:46,100
restaurant guide. I don't know. It was really weird. But I. I did all the.

511
00:31:46,100 --> 00:31:49,420
Like, I just did. It's like an admin job. But I did that for

512
00:31:49,660 --> 00:31:51,980
like a few months as soon as I finished university.

513
00:31:53,500 --> 00:31:57,060
And then, yeah, I kept having to just like, phone in

514
00:31:57,060 --> 00:32:00,500
sick. But I wasn't sick. I was playing

515
00:32:00,500 --> 00:32:03,780
shows. And then it got to the point where it was just like, I was.

516
00:32:03,780 --> 00:32:07,520
The lies were getting too elaborate. And, yeah, they kind of

517
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:11,320
knew something was up and I just kind of had to like, be like, I

518
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,520
have to quit. And by the way, I'm in this band and we got signed

519
00:32:13,520 --> 00:32:17,240
and that's why I'm quitting. So from that. Yeah, pretty much

520
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,920
immediately. Like, we. We lived dirt cheap because we were

521
00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,760
always on the road. So we. We recorded that debut album in the

522
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:28,440
uk. We lived in the studio for like a month and made it. No, it

523
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,400
was only like two weeks, actually. We made it super fast. And then we went

524
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:34,190
on the Road. And then I feel like we. We would only come home for

525
00:32:34,190 --> 00:32:37,990
like a couple weeks at a time, stay at our parents place or wherever

526
00:32:37,990 --> 00:32:41,430
and then just on to the next tour. It was

527
00:32:42,310 --> 00:32:44,630
kind of like carnies. It was crazy.

528
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:49,510
Yeah. I mean, I can't imagine. I would imagine that you would be. Yeah. Touring

529
00:32:49,510 --> 00:32:52,950
so often that it's like, what's the point of even having a place

530
00:32:53,350 --> 00:32:56,470
to pay for that's just going to sit here, right, you know? Yeah, yeah, totally

531
00:32:56,630 --> 00:32:59,980
long. It was just a place to kind of like, you know,

532
00:33:00,380 --> 00:33:04,060
leave our bags and like,

533
00:33:04,380 --> 00:33:08,100
you know, sometimes how we would even stay in this. There's times when there was

534
00:33:08,100 --> 00:33:10,780
no point even going back. We like stay in the States for a couple weeks.

535
00:33:11,180 --> 00:33:13,620
You know, we had a visa, so we would just stay there with a friend

536
00:33:13,620 --> 00:33:17,460
and then start the next tour kind of thing. Yeah. You said you

537
00:33:17,460 --> 00:33:20,740
did a. Did you do welcome to the neighborhood and glue in this in the

538
00:33:20,740 --> 00:33:24,540
United States or no? Yeah, yeah, we did. It was awesome. We did

539
00:33:24,540 --> 00:33:28,060
it with Mike Sapone. He's a really good friend still. He's an amazing

540
00:33:28,060 --> 00:33:31,390
producer. We did it in Lake or

541
00:33:31,390 --> 00:33:35,150
Patcong in New Jersey. It's kind of weird, like. Okay, kind of

542
00:33:35,150 --> 00:33:38,830
isolated, like lake town. It was cool, really

543
00:33:38,830 --> 00:33:42,230
cool. But like it was super isolated. So it was like.

544
00:33:43,030 --> 00:33:46,390
There was like a diner and a gas station

545
00:33:46,630 --> 00:33:50,310
and like a sort of bodega type thing

546
00:33:50,310 --> 00:33:53,150
in the town and that was like it. Oh, there was like a bar as

547
00:33:53,150 --> 00:33:56,090
well. That was literally like all there was in the town. So. And it was

548
00:33:56,090 --> 00:33:59,410
just kind of like you'd get to the, the town limits and it'd just be

549
00:33:59,410 --> 00:34:03,250
like the woods forever. So, you know, cool. But

550
00:34:03,250 --> 00:34:06,330
it was, it was like a little creepy in the winter. You know, we were

551
00:34:06,410 --> 00:34:10,250
snowed in a few times and we obviously didn't have that or anything, so we

552
00:34:10,250 --> 00:34:12,650
couldn't. We just had to go over on foot. So we were there for like

553
00:34:13,290 --> 00:34:16,490
I think six weeks making welcome to the neighborhood. So it's a long time to.

554
00:34:16,490 --> 00:34:19,610
To be on one street

555
00:34:19,770 --> 00:34:23,600
essentially. Right. Yeah. And in such a small

556
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:27,040
town with no like real way to get around other than walking.

557
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:31,360
Yeah, yeah. Honestly, I'm surprised when. Drink more, to be quite honest. Like

558
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,360
there was nothing to do, but it was, it was super fun making the album,

559
00:34:36,360 --> 00:34:39,520
you know, and it was so such a, such a trip for us being like

560
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,120
in America, making an album in like a big studio, you know, the,

561
00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:47,120
the. The album in our first record and it was like, you know, it was

562
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,800
a nice enough studio, but it was like, small, like a little bit diy,

563
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,300
you know, it was kind of just in, like, an old bar, and

564
00:34:54,540 --> 00:34:57,340
we stay in, like, a bunk house next to it that had, like, rats in

565
00:34:57,340 --> 00:35:00,900
it and shit. It wasn't. It wasn't glamorous. And then this

566
00:35:00,900 --> 00:35:04,540
album was in this kind of gorgeous, you

567
00:35:04,540 --> 00:35:08,380
know, neve console suite thing. Leveled up a

568
00:35:08,380 --> 00:35:12,180
bit with that next one. Yeah, totally, totally. And it was. You know,

569
00:35:12,180 --> 00:35:16,020
we were like, wow. We in America making an album, you know,

570
00:35:16,020 --> 00:35:19,780
so it was. It was so much fun. And Same with

571
00:35:19,780 --> 00:35:22,990
Glue, you know, we did in the same place. It was. It was. It was

572
00:35:22,990 --> 00:35:26,550
sick. Got to kind of just try a lot of stuff and

573
00:35:26,550 --> 00:35:30,150
experiment. And I think we changed as a band quite a lot

574
00:35:30,150 --> 00:35:33,910
in a short space of time because of that. Oh, just

575
00:35:33,910 --> 00:35:37,470
recording in that place. Yeah. And just also all the

576
00:35:37,470 --> 00:35:41,110
places that we'd been in, the people that we met. Oh, sure, sure, sure. It

577
00:35:41,110 --> 00:35:43,430
was like we were kind of living life on fast forward for.

578
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:48,620
Right. So I feel like we change. So. So it must have

579
00:35:48,620 --> 00:35:51,940
been weird for. And I've talked to friends about this, you know, from home who.

580
00:35:52,900 --> 00:35:56,740
Who knew me as a teenager, and I'm still friends with, you know, kind of.

581
00:35:57,060 --> 00:35:59,660
They wouldn't see me for, like, six months, and then they'd see me again, and

582
00:35:59,660 --> 00:36:03,340
I. I would not change. But, you know, have experienced so

583
00:36:03,340 --> 00:36:07,140
much and. Yeah, you grew faster in a way, because you had,

584
00:36:07,140 --> 00:36:10,580
like, way more life experience. I mean, you had been around the world. Yeah, I

585
00:36:10,580 --> 00:36:14,380
guess. You know, things like our tastes and things, and even kind of the

586
00:36:14,380 --> 00:36:16,740
way we would talk, you know, we'd spend some people, be like, you sound like,

587
00:36:16,740 --> 00:36:20,080
I'm an American. And it'd be like, friends are American. I spend all my time.

588
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,640
Yeah, I just spent so much time there. Yeah, right. Yeah,

589
00:36:23,640 --> 00:36:27,280
exactly. With glue. I mean, you put that out in 2020.

590
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,760
Was that you. You talked about how the pandemic then obviously

591
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:34,600
stopped everything in a way. You put that album out

592
00:36:34,600 --> 00:36:38,400
in May. That's, like, right after the Pandemic had already kind of been

593
00:36:38,720 --> 00:36:42,400
going for a minute. So was that album all done,

594
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:46,770
and then were you gonna release it earlier, or

595
00:36:46,770 --> 00:36:50,050
was that always the plan? Like, how did that. That affect that album?

596
00:36:50,370 --> 00:36:54,210
Yeah, it totally kind of, like, messed

597
00:36:54,210 --> 00:36:57,330
up the whole thing, really. I mean, we. We'd already recorded it,

598
00:36:58,130 --> 00:37:00,730
and that was a cool process in and of itself. We. We split it up

599
00:37:00,730 --> 00:37:03,970
and did half of it in Texas and half of it in that other studio.

600
00:37:04,050 --> 00:37:06,130
Oh, wow. It was super cool.

601
00:37:07,730 --> 00:37:11,490
But it was. It came out when it was always meant to come out. But

602
00:37:12,350 --> 00:37:15,270
I guess we kind of sort of started the rollout, so to speak, before the

603
00:37:15,270 --> 00:37:19,030
Pandemic, and then by the time it came out, it like kicked

604
00:37:19,030 --> 00:37:22,670
in. So we were like, oh, well, this is what it is now. Right?

605
00:37:22,670 --> 00:37:26,390
And yeah, you know, it kind of just got a bit sort of.

606
00:37:26,390 --> 00:37:29,950
I mean, we never did a tour on it. We. We did that. Like,

607
00:37:30,910 --> 00:37:33,350
we kind of did a tour on it, but it was like. It was that

608
00:37:33,350 --> 00:37:36,230
one. I don't know if you can see that tour there, but it was kind

609
00:37:36,230 --> 00:37:40,080
of, you know, two years after the record came out, once Covid was

610
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,360
over. So it wasn't really a Glue tour.

611
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:48,200
Because at that point, did you already have the, you know, part one of what

612
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:52,120
you're going to release a second album here next month?

613
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:55,920
Was that already in the works or. Yeah,

614
00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:59,720
we, we. So we, we. I think when that tours came

615
00:37:59,720 --> 00:38:02,600
out, when that tour happened, we just released

616
00:38:03,430 --> 00:38:07,030
the EP after the Pandemic. Okay.

617
00:38:07,430 --> 00:38:11,190
Or we were about to. We've been dropping singles off of it and

618
00:38:11,190 --> 00:38:14,990
then. And so from the Pandemic, we'd started writing it. We wrote a lot of

619
00:38:14,990 --> 00:38:18,789
the tour in the Pandemic, so we'd kind of already started. So that's the

620
00:38:18,789 --> 00:38:21,510
thing with Glue, we'd kind of already started moving on to the next thing.

621
00:38:23,270 --> 00:38:25,990
Did you know Detour? It was going to be a part of a two part

622
00:38:26,550 --> 00:38:30,100
thing going into it. Yeah. Okay. Was it always.

623
00:38:30,100 --> 00:38:33,860
That's always been the idea. It's gonna be a double album. Yeah. We kind

624
00:38:33,860 --> 00:38:36,740
of wanted to do this like double album, but

625
00:38:38,260 --> 00:38:42,060
because each part was going to be so contrasting, we kind of were like,

626
00:38:42,060 --> 00:38:45,780
well, let's split it up into two kind of records, really. And they were meant

627
00:38:45,780 --> 00:38:49,540
to be like shorter. Like the tour was the.

628
00:38:49,700 --> 00:38:53,340
Well, Sundive was meant to be short. They're both meant to be like six, seven

629
00:38:53,340 --> 00:38:57,140
songs, almost like two EPs really. But then Sundial kind of became this

630
00:38:57,140 --> 00:39:00,380
like, I guess, full length, like bigger record just

631
00:39:00,940 --> 00:39:04,660
because it kind of did. I don't know, it just kind of happens that

632
00:39:04,660 --> 00:39:08,340
way. Did you write all those songs together? Like the touro was

633
00:39:08,340 --> 00:39:12,020
that. Because just based off what I was reading and you know,

634
00:39:12,020 --> 00:39:15,580
this. Sonically, this was pretty like electronic has like

635
00:39:15,580 --> 00:39:19,380
a heavy production value to

636
00:39:19,380 --> 00:39:22,060
it. And the songs that you've put out thus far

637
00:39:23,290 --> 00:39:26,450
are pretty rock and, you know, rock and roll is that. Was that kind of

638
00:39:26,450 --> 00:39:29,810
the idea when you went into it? Like, what was like the concept going in,

639
00:39:29,810 --> 00:39:33,530
like, we want to make an album that or a double album that does

640
00:39:34,490 --> 00:39:38,289
this, like. Was there, like, an idea? Yeah. And. And

641
00:39:38,289 --> 00:39:41,810
I think. I think it came. The sort of themes and. And

642
00:39:41,810 --> 00:39:45,570
the. The. The emotions of the different albums

643
00:39:45,570 --> 00:39:48,900
came before the actual sounds of them. Like, we sort of

644
00:39:49,140 --> 00:39:52,940
knew that the tour was this, like, dark record about kind

645
00:39:52,940 --> 00:39:56,700
of, I guess, the sort of hangover of the craziness of the

646
00:39:56,700 --> 00:39:59,620
last few years that we've kind of all been riding high on

647
00:40:00,340 --> 00:40:03,540
and a bit of Pandemic glue mixed in there. But a lot of it was

648
00:40:03,540 --> 00:40:06,980
about kind of like getting to the end of our twenties and

649
00:40:07,460 --> 00:40:10,340
feeling kind of a bit burnt out and,

650
00:40:11,380 --> 00:40:13,780
like, spiritually hungover, I suppose.

651
00:40:15,010 --> 00:40:18,810
And we had kind of figured out we

652
00:40:18,810 --> 00:40:21,810
were like, well, we definitely kind of have some

653
00:40:23,490 --> 00:40:26,170
kind of growing up to do a little bit and a bit of changes to

654
00:40:26,170 --> 00:40:29,250
make. And, you know, some of us weren't that healthy.

655
00:40:30,370 --> 00:40:33,130
And we were kind of like. We kind of need to sort our shit out,

656
00:40:33,130 --> 00:40:36,970
really. So we kind of. That's kind of part of it. And we

657
00:40:36,970 --> 00:40:40,130
kind of thought, well, there's no point in kind of like, writing a record about

658
00:40:40,130 --> 00:40:43,600
the sort of the next

659
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:46,600
chapter where you've kind of fixed your problems if you haven't fixed your problems yet.

660
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:50,160
So we. We sort of decided to kind of, like, write this structure, I

661
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,960
guess, a little bit kind of like willing change into being in

662
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,760
terms of, like, we're gonna do the second part where we need to

663
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,600
sort our shit out, so we better go and sort our shit out so

664
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:05,400
we can make this album okay. But it was also kind

665
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,000
of, I suppose, about kind of emotional change

666
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:12,760
and a change in the mood of. Of kind of

667
00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:15,880
the bigger picture outside of us, you know, I guess

668
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,360
politically, I knew that we were moving towards

669
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:25,240
a. End of the conservative government that we've had for the last

670
00:41:25,240 --> 00:41:28,200
14 years. And I'm hoping that's going to bring about some positive change.

671
00:41:29,000 --> 00:41:32,840
It's also kind of like, you know, if you. If you contextualize the tour

672
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:36,600
within the confines of the Pandemic, then we're certainly in a much better

673
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,850
place than we were in terms of that. Sure. Yeah.

674
00:41:40,090 --> 00:41:43,730
But. Yeah, you know, and. And it's one of those things where it started

675
00:41:43,730 --> 00:41:47,210
to kind of like, build itself. So we. When we wrote the tour, we kind

676
00:41:47,210 --> 00:41:51,050
of like, decided what the sort of building blocks of Sundial was going to

677
00:41:51,050 --> 00:41:53,690
be. You're going to have the intro that was going to be like the. The

678
00:41:53,690 --> 00:41:57,290
reflection of the. The tour intro. So Detour A Dust Detour

679
00:41:57,290 --> 00:41:59,770
Dawn. We were going to have kind of, like,

680
00:42:00,810 --> 00:42:04,650
slightly melancholy but like, woozy finisher to the

681
00:42:04,650 --> 00:42:08,200
record, we're going to have an interlude that I'd already made.

682
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:12,640
The Morning Star. I kind of made that at a similar time to Shell from

683
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:16,320
the Rain on the Torah. So it kind of.

684
00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:20,160
Because it was also supposed to be like 12

685
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:23,840
hours of a night and then 12 hours of the day, it kind of had

686
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,400
to have almost like a clock face, like similar. Oh,

687
00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,840
okay, I see what you're doing. Yeah, yeah. So,

688
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:34,330
yeah, because the tour is the night, and then when. Then

689
00:42:34,890 --> 00:42:37,930
Sundiver will come into the day. The daylight of. Yeah,

690
00:42:38,810 --> 00:42:42,050
the kind of. The concept. Yeah. So the Torah ends with like,

691
00:42:42,050 --> 00:42:45,850
birdsong, like obviously the break of dawn. And

692
00:42:45,850 --> 00:42:48,970
then the exact same sample starts. Sundiver.

693
00:42:50,010 --> 00:42:53,610
Oh, rad. Okay. So it kind of just follows on into.

694
00:42:53,610 --> 00:42:56,730
Into the next day. And it's supposed to be kind of about new beginnings and

695
00:42:57,610 --> 00:43:00,650
new life and. And the idea that you can kind of always

696
00:43:01,410 --> 00:43:04,050
change. It's never too late sort of thing.

697
00:43:05,490 --> 00:43:09,170
And then, yeah, you know, it started to build itself. It. Lots of things happened

698
00:43:09,170 --> 00:43:12,730
in our life. Like two of us became parents, which obviously had a. A

699
00:43:12,730 --> 00:43:16,570
huge impact on everything and. And particularly the themes of the record. It

700
00:43:16,570 --> 00:43:20,410
kind of suited it down to a T. And I just

701
00:43:20,410 --> 00:43:23,090
feel like we all did so much growing up in the time that since we

702
00:43:23,090 --> 00:43:26,810
began writing the first half of this album, this double

703
00:43:26,810 --> 00:43:29,850
album to now, it seems like a lifetime ago, really, but

704
00:43:31,850 --> 00:43:35,370
it's crazy to sort of look back and reflect on because we've kind of been

705
00:43:35,370 --> 00:43:38,690
in it for so long. Like, we kind of have been making this album for

706
00:43:38,690 --> 00:43:42,410
about four years, really, which is. Is wild. Yeah.

707
00:43:42,890 --> 00:43:46,690
So do you finish the tour before you start writing the songs

708
00:43:46,690 --> 00:43:49,610
and music and. Or lyrics or emotions or whatever behind

709
00:43:50,170 --> 00:43:53,730
Sundiver? Okay. Yeah, We. We kind of didn't want to

710
00:43:53,730 --> 00:43:57,440
preemptively like, write the record because it also

711
00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:01,440
had to kind of be genuine and come from place. So we.

712
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:04,800
We sort of knew the. The kind of, like I say, the sort of,

713
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:09,680
I don't know, the. The rough storyboard of the record, if you will,

714
00:44:09,680 --> 00:44:13,480
but we. We hadn't like actually written any music or lyrics

715
00:44:13,480 --> 00:44:17,200
or anything from it. I think one song came from a Detour

716
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:21,010
demo, but if you were to compare it with the

717
00:44:21,010 --> 00:44:23,850
finished article with the demo, you wouldn't even be able to tell it was the

718
00:44:23,850 --> 00:44:27,050
same thing. It basically all was like

719
00:44:27,450 --> 00:44:30,490
we'd left it until the Torah finished to start making

720
00:44:30,730 --> 00:44:33,810
Sundive. And I'm glad that we did it that way really, because also, I think

721
00:44:33,810 --> 00:44:36,090
I'd be so sick of this record, if I'd record.

722
00:44:37,290 --> 00:44:41,130
They're all four years old. Was

723
00:44:41,130 --> 00:44:44,970
there a song that you wrote or like a moment? Because I would imagine you.

724
00:44:44,970 --> 00:44:48,740
You write hundreds of songs, probably not just the 11

725
00:44:48,740 --> 00:44:52,500
that made the album. Was there a song that you wrote or a moment

726
00:44:52,500 --> 00:44:56,220
that you can remember? You're like, oh, okay, this is. I

727
00:44:56,220 --> 00:44:59,540
know we're on the path like this. This is going to be the start to,

728
00:45:00,420 --> 00:45:04,260
you know, I, I like. You saw the change. You could see the work being

729
00:45:04,260 --> 00:45:07,620
done as far as like getting to that other side the the of,

730
00:45:08,420 --> 00:45:12,100
you know, into Sundiver. Was there a song that you wrote or

731
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:16,120
a moment that you. You all knew, like, this going for. This is.

732
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,880
Okay, we're. We're. Now it's time to start heading towards writing the second

733
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:23,320
album. Yeah, it's a song called Fornix,

734
00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:27,560
which on the B side of the album. Okay.

735
00:45:28,199 --> 00:45:31,880
Put that one out yet? No, no, it will come out with the record. But

736
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,840
if you look at the, like the lyrics of that song, it's like a pretty

737
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:39,560
good kind of like one sheet of the themes of the whole

738
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:43,240
album. Like, it kind of sums a lot really well. And a big part, a

739
00:45:43,240 --> 00:45:47,040
big challenge on the album was kind of like getting this like, kind

740
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:50,520
of like big rock sound, this big guitar

741
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:54,200
sound to sound really bright and I guess vaguely positive

742
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:58,040
without it sounding like really sort of just like happy and just kind

743
00:45:58,040 --> 00:46:00,920
of like. And kind of cheesy,

744
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:05,400
you know, sugary pop. We kind of still wanted it to have this

745
00:46:05,400 --> 00:46:09,010
like, grit to it and to kind of sound like us because we tend to

746
00:46:09,010 --> 00:46:12,610
be quite a sort of minor key, melancholy, like, dark

747
00:46:12,610 --> 00:46:16,370
sounding band. So we kind of kind of strike this fine line. And

748
00:46:16,370 --> 00:46:19,170
I think the first time that we really nailed it was when we. When we

749
00:46:19,170 --> 00:46:22,770
wrote that song. So that was one of the first written for the record that

750
00:46:22,770 --> 00:46:25,970
made the cut. Anyway. We probably wrote about 200 songs for this album. But

751
00:46:26,690 --> 00:46:30,490
this, I think Fornix was. Was maybe the

752
00:46:30,490 --> 00:46:34,170
first sort of like finished song that we did. Okay.

753
00:46:35,130 --> 00:46:38,850
And yeah, from there, but it still wasn't like we've had albums where

754
00:46:38,850 --> 00:46:42,490
it's like you take ages to get. Find the

755
00:46:42,490 --> 00:46:45,290
right feel. And then when you write that song

756
00:46:47,210 --> 00:46:50,930
for welcome to the Neighborhood, it was like Digital Ghost

757
00:46:50,930 --> 00:46:53,650
and Bad Machine. And then after that it was like boom, boom, boom, boom, boom.

758
00:46:53,650 --> 00:46:57,170
We got it. Yeah. Gates open. So. Yeah. Yeah,

759
00:46:57,170 --> 00:47:00,850
totally for this. It was just like a real battle. And we were still kind

760
00:47:00,850 --> 00:47:04,510
of writing right up until the Wire, really, and

761
00:47:04,590 --> 00:47:08,430
sort of trying to, you know, we recorded a Couple extra songs,

762
00:47:08,430 --> 00:47:11,510
like completely in the studio and then never put them on the album because they

763
00:47:11,510 --> 00:47:14,350
were like, it doesn't. Doesn't fit the,

764
00:47:16,110 --> 00:47:19,950
into the, into the sort of the jigsaw, really. We were,

765
00:47:19,950 --> 00:47:23,630
I guess, trying to sort of still keep it quite a diverse record, but make

766
00:47:23,870 --> 00:47:27,150
this a really hard part of it, make it still feel cohesive

767
00:47:27,690 --> 00:47:31,290
so not so like it's kind of, you know,

768
00:47:32,010 --> 00:47:34,250
a playlist and still more of like an album.

769
00:47:36,490 --> 00:47:40,250
But, but yeah, we, I, I think we achieved that. I think it was a

770
00:47:40,330 --> 00:47:43,569
hard going and I hope when people listen to it, it does feel

771
00:47:43,569 --> 00:47:47,330
cohesive because that was a real sort of goal for us to have

772
00:47:47,330 --> 00:47:50,770
a kind of broad sound that all still

773
00:47:50,770 --> 00:47:53,110
sounds like the same record, you know,

774
00:47:54,540 --> 00:47:57,300
like if you. Played it all the way through, it feel even through the first

775
00:47:57,300 --> 00:48:00,700
album, it would feel like it all still kind of fits in a way.

776
00:48:01,180 --> 00:48:04,940
Well, particularly, particularly Sundiver, because we did want it to

777
00:48:04,940 --> 00:48:08,140
contrast the Torah. But I think, I think when you put them together, if you

778
00:48:08,140 --> 00:48:11,860
listen to it from track one of the Torah to track 11 of Sundiver,

779
00:48:11,860 --> 00:48:15,540
it does still. It feels like a real journey, you know. And we also were

780
00:48:15,540 --> 00:48:19,180
like. We kind of would talk about it in. In the same senses of

781
00:48:19,180 --> 00:48:22,850
like films, like how they have sort of like three act structures.

782
00:48:23,250 --> 00:48:26,770
We kind of want that emotive

783
00:48:26,930 --> 00:48:30,210
kind of ebb and flow and in

784
00:48:31,330 --> 00:48:35,130
the album. So there was like a kind of, you know,

785
00:48:35,130 --> 00:48:38,410
if it was like a cheesy movie, you'd have like the. The

786
00:48:38,410 --> 00:48:41,290
protagonist is kind of down on his look at the end of Act 2 and

787
00:48:41,290 --> 00:48:45,010
then there's like the big redemption and in the sort of middle of Act 3

788
00:48:45,010 --> 00:48:48,050
and then the kind of closer. The resolve or whatever, you know.

789
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,840
So we kind of were keeping stuff like that in mind as well. I'd

790
00:48:52,840 --> 00:48:56,320
say Sundev has that more than dottor, but they still do work together as like

791
00:48:56,320 --> 00:48:59,920
a kind of narrative if you listen to it. Love

792
00:48:59,920 --> 00:49:03,600
it. Well, I appreciate your time, Henry. Thank you so much, man, for doing

793
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:07,320
this. Thank you, mate. No, you as well. It's great. I have one

794
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:10,360
more question before I let you go on and if you have any advice for

795
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,880
aspiring artists. Yeah, I do.

796
00:49:14,870 --> 00:49:18,670
I would say don't. Don't pay too much attention to the

797
00:49:18,670 --> 00:49:22,470
Internet, quite honestly, and. And other.

798
00:49:22,470 --> 00:49:25,990
What other artists are doing. Spend, spend.

799
00:49:26,870 --> 00:49:30,549
Don't be in such a hurry to release stuff either. Spend more time kind of

800
00:49:30,549 --> 00:49:34,350
like figuring out what you like and what you don't like and, and listening

801
00:49:34,350 --> 00:49:38,190
to music and making music and you know, don't don't

802
00:49:38,190 --> 00:49:42,000
feel that everything has to be a hit. Don't feel that everything

803
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:45,680
has to be immediate. And don't feel that you have to release stuff at the

804
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:49,120
pace that social media is kind of telling you what you do.

805
00:49:54,880 --> 00:49:56,400
Bring it backwards,

806
00:50:00,240 --> 00:50:03,680
bring it backwards. Bring it backwards.

807
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:06,950
Bring it backward. Bring it back,

808
00:50:07,590 --> 00:50:09,350
bring it backward.