BiB: Hannah Fairlight - From CBGB's Auditions to Lone Wolf: The Rise, Risks, and the Real Nashville

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Bringing it backwards.

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Bringing it backwards. Bringing it backwards.

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Bringing it backwards. Bringing it backwards.

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Bringing it backwards. What is going

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on? It is Adam. Welcome back to Bringing It Backwards, a podcast where

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both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories

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of how they achieve stardom. On this episode, we had

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the opportunity to catch up with Hannah Fairlight over

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Zoom Video. We had Hannah on the podcast three years

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ago in the midst of the pandemic and right before

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she put out her album Muscle and Skin. So

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we recap a little bit about the first interview, kind of where she was

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born and raised and how she got into music. But then we pick it up

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really where we left off as far as muscle and skin coming out,

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and she really dives into this brand new album. We hear

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what she's been up to for the past three years or four years now.

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But Hannah talks about the new direction for this album and

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writing it, recording it, and just really everything about Lone

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Wolf, which is her brand new album. And she's got

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a show coming up to support that, so she talks all about that as well.

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Hannah Fairlight. Hey, Hannah, how are you? I'm good.

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Adam, how are you doing? I'm great. You were on this podcast

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like three years ago? Yeah, yeah, I was.

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Thank you. Yeah, yeah. A lot has happened, I'm sure,

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in the last three years, so I'd love to. To catch up with you. I

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think you had muscle and skin coming out maybe at the time or

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about it was out. I can't remember, but it was right around that

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time. Yep. Correct. Yep. So midst of

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the pandemic. I believe that is correct,

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yes. And I also had our second son

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right around that time. I don't know if it was right before. I might have

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been pregnant when we did our last. You were pregnant when we did the interview

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and you have another son. I believe that he kind of popped on

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for a second. Like he was just like kind of running around your house.

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Kid free right now. One's in Pre K and one's in. In third grade,

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so. Wow, that's amazing. I have a one. Oh. In second grade.

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I think we talked about that too, but. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I remember you saying

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your. I think your husband was playing. He used to play him or he'd watch

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that. Cool. Like Beatles stuff. I think what I remember. Yeah. Yeah.

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Awesome. Well, yeah, we can recap a little bit about what

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we talked about the first time and then really just pick it up with

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where we left off before. Cool. I love it. Let's

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do it. Awesome. Awesome. So from what I remember, you're in

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Nashville now, or you were, but originally from Texas.

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Yes. So I was born in Texas. I lived in

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Indiana, Minnesota, and Iowa, all small towns. Graduated from high school in

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Iowa, so I kind of claim that. Grundy Center, Iowa, small. Wow.

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Okay. So you started in Texas. How long were you in Texas for? Only.

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Only a couple years. Like, I was a baby. And then you moved around. Did

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you. Were you. I can't remember. Were you in the military, family or. Just.

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My dad was just changing his job, kind of moving up in his

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career. He worked for a big logging company out of

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Galveston in Texas. Oh, in Texas. Okay. Minute. Yeah. So

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that's where I was. Came into the world and.

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Oh, so you started out in Galveston. That's funny. That's like that tip of Houston,

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right? Like that island. Correct. Yep. Yeah, I've been out there

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before. Interesting spot. So, yeah,

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then we moved back to Indiana, where my parents

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are both from. They met at Purdue University.

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So I was in Rensselaer, Indiana, South Bend,

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Indiana, Anderson, Indiana. And then I lived in

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Winstead and Buffalo, Minnesota, before moving to

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Waterloo. Cedar Falls area, which was the Grundy center, is,

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like, tiny little town near there. So. Okay. And so you.

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You said you went to high school there? Yep,

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I. Let's see. So we moved there when I was 13, and I

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graduated and left when I was 17. So that was kind of the longest

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stint I was in one place. And

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I. I graduated a year early. I really wanted to

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get out. Get out of the small town.

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Yeah, I was ready. Okay. Were you

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acting or doing music at the time? I know you've done, but we

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talked about it. Last year you were in Pitch Perfect 3, and you're on, like,

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a reality show that took you to Nashville. Right. Are we already in Nashville when

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they started filming that? Correct. So I did

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do theater as a kid. I started

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doing that pretty young, and I took piano, classical piano lessons, and classical

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saxophone lessons from age 8 until 18

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through high school and then

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I still did some theater in college and

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I did a year international exchange in Peru. So I lived with

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a host family for a year in Peru.

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Yeah, that was a really awesome experience. It

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totally prepared me for kind of

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just the world, like an introduction to the world and like living in any. I

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felt like I could live in any city at that point and, and tackle it.

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So that was a good precursor to moving to New York City. And then

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I applied to a plethora of film schools when I

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was in Peru, was accepted to nyu chose

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that not only for its accolades and

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you know, being accepted there felt prestigious and honor,

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but I really wanted to live in New York City and I

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felt like that was the, a great creative

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playground and I wanted to gig.

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Honestly, I really wanted to try doing something other

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than piano recitals and classical music

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or like playing the talent show at band camp. Right, right. Were you

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writing your own music at that time or before moving to New York? Like I

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know you played in a band in New York. I think you said your first

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show is like at CBGB's, right? Yeah. Good memories. Which

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is wild. It totally is wild.

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And it was a huge pivotal point for me, kind of in

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the like beginner's luck area of my life. So

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I did actually write songs. I started writing songs around

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like 12, 13 years old. I had always come up with

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melodies, but I wrote my first full song, I think when I was 13. It's

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called don't know. You can find the video online. I like recorded it. That was

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my first kind of commercial recording that I put out. Really?

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Oh, you, you re, you rerecorded. I re recorded it.

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I got it. I, I actually,

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I, I got together and kind of co conspired with

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a former band camp counselor,

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Galen Miller, who he and his friend Andy allowed me

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to record my first full length album. I've never released it. It's called

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Epimetheus Exposed. So I recorded that when I was 3, 13 or 14 years

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old. And that was just like a little, my first time

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trying to record something situation.

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And then fast forward I got

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to New York, I didn't have anything other than the

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Epimetheus Exposed recordings. I didn't have a

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computer yet. I didn't have a cell phone. Like cell phones were just kind of

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becoming a thing and they were like flip phones. I didn't really have

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a means for recording my music and giving it

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to a club to, you know, try to book a show. So I brought my

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acoustic guitar that I had bought in Peru

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to CBGB's and, like, played them a couple

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songs for my audition to try to get a gig there. And I got one

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way. Yeah, that's crazy. So you didn't have. Yeah, you didn't have a

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recording to be like, here, this is what I might sound like. So you just,

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what, went to a show and said, hey, we're hanging out outside, and we're like,

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where's the guy that books or a girl that books? And then just played to

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him. I walked over there, I think it was in the afternoon, and I just

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knocked on the door. That's. That's all I knew how to do. Like, I didn't

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know what else to how to do it. I was just

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a kid. I'd, like, come from my, you know, small town,

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Midwestern shell, and I was trying to break out

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of that and, like, figure out how to get a gig in New York. So

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I just walked around with my guitar and I got that

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first show. I was also a freshman

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in college, and so I was able to draw on

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that energy. You know, your first year where you have, like, tons of

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fast friends. And so I actually had a really decent turnout my

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first show. And I was so

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floored by the turnout, like, the support.

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I practiced all of the banter that I would say in between the

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songs, you know, like, I. That's awesome. Barely knew how to play the guitar. I

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only knew, like, five chords because I had just taught myself how to play

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guitar. I'd been piano player before that.

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They recorded the show, so I had a recording,

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and I walked out of there with a CD recording of myself

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playing that I could take to clubs to book. And I walked

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out, and as I'm exiting the club, they chased after me to tell me also,

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like, hey, you forgot your. Your money. And I was like, my money?

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And I got paid. I made like $75 or something.

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And I was like, oh, my God, this is amazing. I want to do this

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every day for the rest of my life. It was such a great beginner's luck

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kind of situation for me. It really lit my fire. Yeah,

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100%. And you were just playing as solo.

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As solo artist? Me and my guitar. Yeah, just me. An acoustic guitar, too. Then

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you. You've joined a band, right, with, like. I forgot you had

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somebody. Was it Willie Nelson? Somebody's granddaughter?

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Somebody was in your band, right? Yeah. So I did do a

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stint for two years in New York under with Girls Don't Cry. Oh,

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yeah, that's what it was. Girls Don't Cry. Five piece Power Pop band.

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I played guitar in the band. I had like white hair.

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We, you know, we did. We did a good job. It was a

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good. It was a good, like jumping off point for me at the time.

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It was exciting to have producers excited about us and

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shopping us. You know, we had like big meetings with RCA and these

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other, like, showcases and stuff. It was exciting and also

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a first for me to get to do all that. We

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were a put together group, kind of like. Kind of like the Spice

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Girls, Right, Right. So they auditioned like tons and tons of

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girls and drew from all those auditions to put

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us together as the group. That must have been a cool, like,

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you know, moment to get chosen, right, for that, like, to

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audition and. Yeah, then you get put in. This kind of band that they

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put. Together made me feel special. We had

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cool studio that we had 24 hour access to in the

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Flatiron district. They put really cool instruments in our

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hands to play. They were really tight

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reined about the material and they wrote all

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the songs on the first album and they promised us over and

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over again that we would have more creative rights on

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the second release, which never came to be because we wound up breaking up. But

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it was an interesting situation because the girls in the group were

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powerhouses. And we were all, you know,

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super young, budding creatives,

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creative in our own right, and really wanted to make that, you know,

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come out in the group. And so we had to kind of like bite our

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lips and bite our tongues and like, do the. Do the music that we were

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handed and do the thing. They're kind of dressing us and

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styling us like Avril Lavigne at the time and like, just, you know,

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stuff that. Yeah, they're trying to sell you guys, right? Like, like,

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they're like, okay, we're gonna put together this product, so to speak,

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and we're gonna write the songs and you all are just gonna be the

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base of this thing. Yeah. And

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started to rub us all the wrong way. And. And it really, it got under

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my skin too. I mean, I. I had people that I loved and

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respected in the New York scene that I

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would go out, see their shows and like, you know, I

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tell them what band I was in and they, they would say like, oh yeah,

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Girls don't cry. Like, you guys play the tracks, right? And I'm like, no,

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we play our instruments. Like, so it had kind of a mixed

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reputation. It was like, exciting and cool and also, like, people thought

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certain things about it. Right. It was

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probably a positive thing. When we broke up, we kind of Tried to do the

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project without the producers on our own, but our relationships

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really weren't. Our personal relationships weren't strong enough to carry it. So

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I went back to doing solo stuff. That's when I released Don't Know.

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I lived in London for a year and then I did

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wind up living in Australia for two years, kind of. Gee, you

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know. Yeah. Checking out the scenes in different

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places, learning about the world

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fodder for, you know, an inexperienced young

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songwriter to try to write songs about stuff. I. I

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just needed more life experience and I followed my heart and went in all different

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directions and I did land back in Atlanta and then

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I found out about the reality show

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in Nashville and that's when I came on and did that. And that's

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when I met Raelyn Nelson, Willie Nelson's granddaughter. And we did. We wound

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up forming a friendship and then doing a duo together as well. Oh, that's what

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it was. You did a duo with her. Okay. I couldn't remember

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how that came together, but what was the, the show?

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How did you like, did you hear about it? I don't really remember, to be

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honest. Like, I don't really remember that show. Was it like

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on CMT or like what was. Was it like? I don't remember.

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Yeah, it's great. You don't remember it because.

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Because it's one of those, like slightly

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cringe worthy, you know, awkward things that we do in our career. But it was

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a risk. It was a risk I took. I just. So I, I started doing

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audio recording for film and television when I was in New

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York and simultaneous to Girls Don't Cry and like all that

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stuff I was recording, I'm the person that puts the

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lavalier mics on you and swings a boom over you and like records the audio

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for. Oh, sure, sure. Okay. Primarily reality shows is what

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I got to. Kind of got stuck in the niche of. And so I'd

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seen a lot of these shows play out, heard through

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a production company I was working for at the time. Buzz from the Bees was

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that there was a music show that was going to be in Nashville starring

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musicians. So I was able to get my hands on like

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a time and place to come up and do an audition tape for that show,

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was cast for the show. And so then it was my first time on screen

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as talent in one of those shows instead of the person behind the camera.

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Doing the audio for was a great experience.

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Again, it was a risk. I totally thought coming from the

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production world, I would be my, My, my

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soul and my dignity would Be preserved in some way.

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But, you know, it was a learning

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experience. Hindsight is 20 20. I really wish I would have done some things differently

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and, like, taken back the night a little bit more, but great things came from

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it, including, you know, I met my

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husband through one of the cast members on the show. Oh, cool.

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It aired on A E. Oh, yeah. It was in. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. I.

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I think I remember you saying that. That was in 2014,

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and I put out my first album, Creatures

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of Habit, during that time. And

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did the show help that, like. As far, like, were people like, oh,

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okay, this. It's Hannah from the show. Let me go check this album

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out? I think so. So

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I was the character that I was cast as in the show,

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which, like, for those of you who, you know, indulge in reality tv,

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it's very manufactured. It's not scripted.

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Obviously, they don't tell you specifically what to say, but you're prompted

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strongly by producers to do different plot lines. I was the

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heartbreaker and the new girl in town, so I

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came in and broke up a bunch of

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relationships. It was all. Honestly, it was all fake,

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you know, for the sake of the show. No way. Oh,

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yeah,

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yeah. It was. Burst my bubble

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on reality television. Yeah. Sorry. Sorry to do that.

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I'm sorry about that. It's so. It's so obvious. Like, in. You watch

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the Bachelor, and you could tell they're just, like, prompting them on

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what to say, and then they're like. And it's

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like, when they do their interviews or whatever, it's just so funny.

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It's very. Yeah. It's very guided, and it's very

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exploitative, I can happily say. Since moving to Nashville, I've

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gotten away from reality a lot more, and I've been able to do more

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documentary and more, like, music, rich projects with audio.

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So it's been a positive move. But

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from. From that, I was like. I swore that I would never

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do anything like that unless it was, A,

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fully scripted or, B, that I was completely in charge.

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And I was able to manifest that with Pitch Perfect 3,

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thankfully. Oh, sure. Okay. So that came after. Wow.

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Yeah, that would make sense, timing wise. Yep. That's

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incredible. Yeah. So

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they. They both helped. They both helped my career. You know, bad

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publicity is still publicity. So with crazy hearts,

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there was a little bit of that. There were people who were angry at me

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for the. For, you know, being the bad girl

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or whatever. That's so funny. You're

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like, this is tv. Yeah.

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Was the show, like, were you songwriting on the show? I can't I don't like

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what was. I'm just curious, and then we'll move on. But what was, like, the

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premise of the show? Was it, like, everyone was together writing songs or.

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Oh, I wish it was that deep. It really wound up

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focusing more on the relationship dynamics and, like,

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love pyramids. But it was a group of people who are all,

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like, performing artists. One of them was a manager. She

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managed an artist. I can safely

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say only two of us. One of the guys is Leroy Powell. He

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plays in Whiskey. Wolves of the west and myself are the two

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that are still even doing music today. Like, they all kind of

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just fall off after the show. Did you, like, live in a house with everybody

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or something like that? Was it like that?

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Okay. No, but I had a really

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cheap apartment in South

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Nashville because I really moved here in real life. I mean, that was the thing.

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I was living out of my van. Like, they didn't film any of that.

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They should have. That'd be a cool story. I know. I thought so, too. They

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took all the real out of it, the grit. They

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filmed my friend who lives up the road from where I live now. Her

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house as my house. And so they made it look like I

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just moved to Nashville and magically had, like, an acoustic

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piano and art on the walls and plants

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and. That's funny. Yeah. Anyway. Okay.

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Yeah. So last time we spoke to you. That's so funny. I.

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I need to go find it. I want to watch it. I'm curious.

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I do remember you in Pitch Perfect 3, though. So

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going from the last time we spoke, you were about to release

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your album, and then I don't know if you. I don't think you had on

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Muscle and Skinny. I think we're about to. Anyway, doesn't matter. So talk to me

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about putting that out, because it was during the pandemic. And

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now you have a new album which is coming out as well, Correct?

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Like in next month, I think. Yes. May

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24th. Okay. So what's been going on for three

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years since we talked last time? Well,

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aside from having another child.

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Yeah. The interesting part about my new album

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is that I'm not having a child in conjunction with it, because my previous two

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albums, I've had a baby in the same span of months that I

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put out an album. So, like, album baby. No baby

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this time. Just musical babies. I.

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Let's see. Muscle and skin was.

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It's exactly like anytime I have

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wanted to go into the. Into the studio,

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except that maybe I was exceptionally

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creatively constipated because I had been

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doing with Raelyn, and

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we had put a lot of focus on that, and I hadn't been doing my

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own project for a minute. And so we had, like, two,

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three years. We were really, like, wrapped up in that and, like, pushing hard with

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that. We had a lot of traction with it. It's really sad that it kind

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of had to go away, but we were both feeling really

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compelled to, like, put our energy back into our own projects.

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And I. I came out the gate with, like, I

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wanted to almost do a double album with Muscle and Skin. I.

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I know, which would have been whatever, but it was all for me, you know,

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for me, like, I had a

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lot of art that had. Was sitting around that I

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had, you know, come up with, and I really wanted to put it somewhere.

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And when I did that project with Austin Hoke,

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multi instrumentalist cellist, he and I really

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went down a rabbit hole. And I. I saw it being something that

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was very introspective and something with

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lots of piano, which is really like my heart instrument.

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It's.

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It's very like. I don't know, it's on a deeper level to me than any

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other instrument. It's just. It's very connected to my soul and like,

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my like, child self. Like, that's the instrument that I gravitated toward

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when I first started doing music. So getting back to

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that and putting a lot of strings on it,

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just making this, like, sort of lush.

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I don't know, telling stories that were. That are much more like, cathartic and

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internal to me and not necessarily, like, for mass

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consumption. I mean, not that they couldn't be, but like,

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I really. It was really a me project and. And it was.

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It was weird that it timed out with COVID the way it did.

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I felt like, you know, I've laughed about

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it now because the launch team that I have for

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Lone Wolf, the gentleman that I was maybe

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going to work with in the launch for Muscle and Skin, they

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told me when I had a conversation with them about Muscle and Skin, they

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were like, this is really a listening album, isn't it? And I was like, well,

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what does that mean? Aren't they all right? What does that mean?

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I got what they meant, though. It was like, not a

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splashy in your face dance album or a rock and roll

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is like, it's a very light. And they're, you know, they're right.

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We laughed about it. I kind of poked fun at them about it and a

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couple social media posts and saw them,

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but. But I really. I

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really wanted to do it for me and

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kind of realize this sort of, like, deeper

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marrying of my external self. The

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rock dance in your face,

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highly polished exterior with the interior

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world, which is like, you know, the me that went to

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CBGB's with my guitar in my hand and had a big set

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of balls, like, sit there and play the guitar in front of them and try

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to get my first audition or, like, had the. The,

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you know, tenacity to move around the world and go

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busk in the streets or on the train platform in Germany or

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whatever. That interior world of, like,

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grit and muscle and like. So that

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was a great, really cool culmination. But, you know,

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after that and after my second son was born,

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I kind of don't really know. I don't really, like, exactly

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know where my next albums will take me, but I do

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always anticipate that it will be a pivot and it will be a different

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direction than the last one. And I had a feeling I would

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want to steer away from that internal

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world and that sort of, like,

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honestly processing myself to myself

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through music. I wanted to kind of veer away

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and get back in your face and do something that

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was more sonically,

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like, risky in a way that, like, I wanted to. I

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wanted to. This is going to sound a little weird, maybe,

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but, like, I wanted to marry the part of me that

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made muscle and skin and that internal part that is

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lyrically satiated and poetically satiated with the, like,

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the part that is sonic about music. That

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the thing that makes you want to put on a record that you want to

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listen to, that makes you feel good, like you want to choose it because of

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the sonics and, like, I wanted to marry those two worlds for myself because I

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don't know that I've ever quite been able to get there. It's hard to

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experience your own music from the

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outside of yourself. Like, look, it's. It's hard to, like, get out of

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me and be objective toward my own music and think, like, is

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that something I want to throw on to listen to? Sometimes it's just coming out

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of me like an emotion, like an emotive process. And I don't think

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of it as, like, a sonic piece of music that I want to throw on.

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So I want to challenge myself and, like, get back to just, like, rocking.

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And so it was very natural for me. Last

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year, I. Well, a couple of things happened and

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I'll just get deep with you for a second. Really important thing happened.

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I decided to stop drinking alcohol. And that

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was a really being sober from

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alcohol. And weed, which are the two things I've never. Those are the only things

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I've ever done. Taking those out of the mix and being very

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clear about my intentions and my

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just going deeper with self knowledge and like feeling really

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clear about how I'm approaching music. All of a

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sudden I just. I didn't even realize I was going to make an album. But

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I met with my friend Paul Defiglia. I knew he

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was a producer, I didn't really know a

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whole lot about him, but he wanted to show me his studio and I went

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in there with no intention of thinking about recording anything,

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honestly. And I saw his space and had a

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conversation with him and he was playing Elliot Smith. And just like the vibe of

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the space, all of it spoke to me. All of it

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spoke to me all of a sudden and I was like, I have to make

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an album here and I think I need to do it, like right now. Like,

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I. I want to do it now. Like, I think I. And I walked out

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of that meeting. I think I told him that. And I probably freaked

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him out a little because I get very forward when I'm like, all of a

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00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,960
sudden have this thing, this new goal pop up. And I. I

459
00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:07,760
sent. I went home and I demoed out every single song. I knew

460
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,240
exactly which songs. I had some already written and I had some new ones I

461
00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:15,080
needed to like, tighten up and finish. And I demoed

462
00:29:15,080 --> 00:29:18,720
every single song that's on the album out that afternoon and sent them

463
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,760
to him just like in the voice memo with guitar

464
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:26,480
and, and. And he was. Well, he was a

465
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:29,670
little taken aback by how

466
00:29:30,470 --> 00:29:33,830
quickly he was like, whoa, girl.

467
00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:39,350
And three weeks later, we were in the studio recording to tape

468
00:29:39,910 --> 00:29:42,550
and. Oh, that's awesome. You recorded the tape as well.

469
00:29:43,510 --> 00:29:47,150
I. I got the opportunity through a couple friends

470
00:29:47,150 --> 00:29:49,990
who I absolutely have to give a shout out to. I'm not going to name

471
00:29:49,990 --> 00:29:53,510
them to embarrass them, but they know who they are, who helped me,

472
00:29:55,210 --> 00:29:58,330
who helps me fund a lot of this new album. And

473
00:29:59,050 --> 00:30:02,890
through that I was able to get right in the studio and get right

474
00:30:02,890 --> 00:30:06,170
in there with the guys who have been my, like, main band guys

475
00:30:06,650 --> 00:30:10,010
for most of my time in Nashville and. And

476
00:30:10,170 --> 00:30:13,690
take care of everybody, right? Because otherwise I would have had to

477
00:30:14,170 --> 00:30:17,970
sling merch or do a crowdfunding thing and it would have taken a lot

478
00:30:17,970 --> 00:30:21,090
longer. But I was able to strike while the iron was hot and I'm so

479
00:30:21,090 --> 00:30:24,890
grateful for that. That's incredible. And I just want to. Not to

480
00:30:25,050 --> 00:30:28,770
glaze over what you said earlier, because the Fact that you are sober and

481
00:30:28,770 --> 00:30:32,330
you quit drinking and smoking, that's. That's huge. I'm also

482
00:30:32,570 --> 00:30:36,090
sober and recovery, and I know how hard that is. And

483
00:30:37,850 --> 00:30:41,490
congratulations. That's awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Yeah,

484
00:30:41,490 --> 00:30:44,810
it's been huge, and I'm excited to sort of continue

485
00:30:44,970 --> 00:30:48,770
seeing and feeling how it unfolds. I'm coming up on two years

486
00:30:48,770 --> 00:30:52,360
here. Wow. Right. Pretty much right when the album

487
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,200
drops, I'll be two years, so. Yeah. That's huge. That's.

488
00:30:56,200 --> 00:31:00,040
That's. That's amazing. So congratulations on that. Thank you. I know

489
00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:03,640
it's a. Oh, thank you. Yeah, it's a. It's definitely not the

490
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:07,400
easiest thing. And. Yeah, it

491
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,160
is and it isn't. It is and it isn't. It feels right. I'll just say

492
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,880
that. So I trust that. Yeah. Yeah. I know. For me, yeah, it

493
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,680
was doing 12 steps and all that. All that stuff was like,

494
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:22,520
that. That's what saved me. But anyway, that's amazing.

495
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:26,080
Congratulations on that. And I'm excited to hear this

496
00:31:26,080 --> 00:31:28,520
album. I can't believe you had all those songs ready to go. And it was

497
00:31:28,520 --> 00:31:31,880
just like. So I was gonna ask you what was different about this album versus

498
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,600
not having the. You know, you said baby, album,

499
00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:38,640
baby, out. Like, with this time. You didn't, but it sounds like you already kind

500
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:40,990
of had everything planned out. And it was like you had this, like,

501
00:31:42,100 --> 00:31:45,940
moment at the studio that you're like, I have to. I know. You knew

502
00:31:45,940 --> 00:31:49,580
that was gonna be an album. You knew where the. You know where it was

503
00:31:49,580 --> 00:31:53,180
going, and you're able to cut all those that quickly. That's

504
00:31:53,180 --> 00:31:55,380
crazy. Yeah. And I.

505
00:31:56,660 --> 00:32:00,340
Contrary to muslin skins, I guess

506
00:32:00,580 --> 00:32:03,700
I'll call it weirdness, because I don't know what else to call it. Just like,

507
00:32:04,580 --> 00:32:08,350
there's musical moments in muscle and skin

508
00:32:08,350 --> 00:32:11,750
and lyric ones that are, like, a little out of left field,

509
00:32:11,830 --> 00:32:15,510
maybe, or like a little more experimental. Where

510
00:32:15,510 --> 00:32:19,190
I feel like Lone Wolf is. It is

511
00:32:19,270 --> 00:32:23,069
so easy to digest. It's right in your face. It doesn't mean

512
00:32:23,069 --> 00:32:26,750
the lyrics compromise anything poetically. Like, I feel like I'm just

513
00:32:26,750 --> 00:32:30,310
as subversive and weird as I,

514
00:32:30,790 --> 00:32:34,110
you know, as I am, because I can't be anything different. Right. But I, like,

515
00:32:34,110 --> 00:32:37,810
challenged myself. I had this thing that hit

516
00:32:37,810 --> 00:32:41,050
me when I was in the studio. I'd already kind of written a couple songs

517
00:32:41,050 --> 00:32:44,730
in this vein that were like three four chord

518
00:32:44,730 --> 00:32:48,170
bangers. Like, just three chords. Like, see what you can do with just three

519
00:32:48,170 --> 00:32:51,970
chords. See what? See if you can do those three chords, even through

520
00:32:51,970 --> 00:32:55,530
the bridge. Like, don't change it. Maybe just, you know,

521
00:32:55,530 --> 00:32:59,290
change a little thing here or there. But like artists like

522
00:32:59,450 --> 00:33:03,210
Jack White, White Stripes vibe, right? Like those super

523
00:33:03,210 --> 00:33:06,880
riff driven, simple, simple

524
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,360
songs are so powerful and they kind of transcend time.

525
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,560
And that is what I was like. I'm being

526
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,000
drawn toward doing that, you know, like, that's what I want. I want to try

527
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,840
to see if I can write songs like that. And so that was a

528
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,720
really big driving force for this album. And a lot of the songs are like

529
00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:28,200
that. With a couple quirky, you know, a couple

530
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,920
acoustic ones in there to keep that. That

531
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:35,760
vulnerable me and that voice in there. But it's a rocker

532
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:39,560
album. I'm excited about it. Love it. Yeah, I'm excited too. I

533
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:43,360
like the two that you have out thus far. Emotional man and Apologize

534
00:33:43,360 --> 00:33:46,520
Me. Those are the two from the album that you have out so far. Yeah.

535
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,440
Yeah. It was fun to choose

536
00:33:51,560 --> 00:33:55,080
the. Which singles to put first and I had

537
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,280
shot. I guess this might go with like the

538
00:33:59,280 --> 00:34:02,440
clarity of mind I was telling you about earlier, but I'm always like thinking about

539
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,120
content and like, what do I need to do? And I like. I was on

540
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,880
an audio gig in Arkansas and in my hotel room and

541
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:12,720
I like packed things to shoot the music video in

542
00:34:12,720 --> 00:34:16,560
the hotel room for Emotional Men. Well, before we. Oh,

543
00:34:16,560 --> 00:34:19,480
that's awesome. Well before we even decided it was going to be one of the

544
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,720
singles, but it was the lead single and so I already had my raw material

545
00:34:22,720 --> 00:34:24,600
ready so I could just edit it and.

546
00:34:27,060 --> 00:34:30,860
Brilliant. That's brilliant. Are you doing any like. Like a tour

547
00:34:30,860 --> 00:34:33,820
or anything? Because you probably weren't able to tour the last album because you were

548
00:34:33,820 --> 00:34:37,460
about to have a baby and it was Covid. But for this one.

549
00:34:38,420 --> 00:34:42,260
Are you doing anything for the release? Like, I'm in Nashville now too. I've moved

550
00:34:42,260 --> 00:34:45,980
here within the three years you're here. Yeah. So we gotta

551
00:34:45,980 --> 00:34:49,420
see you. I know we. We live. Well, I'll tell you off the

552
00:34:49,420 --> 00:34:52,260
recording, but yeah. So we're in town,

553
00:34:53,349 --> 00:34:56,869
my wife, kids and I, we moved out here. So best decision

554
00:34:56,869 --> 00:34:59,029
ever. Yeah, we moved in February

555
00:34:59,989 --> 00:35:03,109
2021. Okay. Wow.

556
00:35:03,269 --> 00:35:06,749
Awesome. Yay. So glad you're here. Yes. We should

557
00:35:06,749 --> 00:35:08,789
totally get coffee or something.

558
00:35:10,469 --> 00:35:14,229
The only plans I have for release so far, and I say

559
00:35:14,229 --> 00:35:17,349
only with like a big, like underlying italicized

560
00:35:17,669 --> 00:35:20,549
whatever, because I'm definitely

561
00:35:21,700 --> 00:35:25,420
in the works on capitalizing on the

562
00:35:25,420 --> 00:35:28,660
release because I feel like the songs are just really strong and

563
00:35:29,060 --> 00:35:32,500
we're pushing it to noncom radio. The third single

564
00:35:32,820 --> 00:35:36,420
is going to come out May 10th leading up to

565
00:35:36,660 --> 00:35:40,500
May 24th album release. And the third single is called

566
00:35:40,500 --> 00:35:44,140
Fever. It's the first song on the album. It comes

567
00:35:44,140 --> 00:35:47,980
out guns blazing and like, really excited for the

568
00:35:47,980 --> 00:35:51,460
music video too. I've got a group of girls that are my favorites

569
00:35:51,970 --> 00:35:55,690
that are gonna. We're all gonna like, just vamp each other up and go crazy

570
00:35:55,690 --> 00:35:59,530
in the video. And the. The only thing I have

571
00:35:59,530 --> 00:36:03,290
though is a release show at the Underdog, which you probably

572
00:36:03,290 --> 00:36:07,090
know being Nashville now. It's right up the street from my

573
00:36:07,090 --> 00:36:10,690
house. I love Cal and Amanda so much and what they've

574
00:36:10,770 --> 00:36:14,570
curated there. I've loved them since they moved in and started doing

575
00:36:14,570 --> 00:36:18,330
it. I've played there a few times before and it just feels really

576
00:36:18,330 --> 00:36:22,010
comfortable. And it's the perfect stage and sound

577
00:36:22,010 --> 00:36:25,650
and size room for. For the Lone Wolf release.

578
00:36:26,690 --> 00:36:30,530
Special guest to TBA and. And

579
00:36:30,530 --> 00:36:33,970
I'm super excited because I'll have the vinyl in hand, I'll have the

580
00:36:33,970 --> 00:36:37,410
CDs in hand. I'll have plenty of wolf print merch

581
00:36:37,890 --> 00:36:41,690
that I make myself of my linoleum block. Wolf

582
00:36:41,690 --> 00:36:45,490
face that I print on like tote bags and T shirts and stuff. Oh,

583
00:36:45,490 --> 00:36:49,330
wow. Yeah, so that's. That's it.

584
00:36:49,330 --> 00:36:53,170
June 2nd at the Underdog is the big album release show that I

585
00:36:53,170 --> 00:36:57,010
had planned. Exciting. Well, yeah, I'll have to try to make it

586
00:36:57,010 --> 00:37:00,810
out to there for sure. That'll be awesome. But I appreciate

587
00:37:00,810 --> 00:37:04,290
you. Thank you again for doing this. Hannah, it's always a pleasure

588
00:37:04,290 --> 00:37:07,650
speaking to you and I'm going to ask you the same question at the end

589
00:37:07,650 --> 00:37:11,050
that I asked you last time if you have any advice for aspiring artists.

590
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:17,900
The big thing that I like to say, and I've said this

591
00:37:17,900 --> 00:37:21,540
in some interviews recently, a lot, is like,

592
00:37:22,020 --> 00:37:24,420
don't be afraid to take risks.

593
00:37:25,860 --> 00:37:29,580
Making yourself uncomfortable is going to benefit

594
00:37:29,580 --> 00:37:32,580
you so much more than staying inside a safe little box.

595
00:37:33,460 --> 00:37:37,220
You will grow and you will become more creatively and you'll also

596
00:37:37,620 --> 00:37:41,110
gain so much more respect from your fans if you are

597
00:37:41,190 --> 00:37:44,910
real and raw and vulnerable and you take a risk and get just

598
00:37:44,910 --> 00:37:48,510
outside of your comfort zone. A lot of artists that have made

599
00:37:48,510 --> 00:37:52,350
it, you know, over the decades carry

600
00:37:52,350 --> 00:37:55,990
that mantra. You know, David Bowie being like one of the main

601
00:37:55,990 --> 00:37:59,830
ones is like, quoted, you got to just put yourself

602
00:37:59,830 --> 00:38:03,590
into an uncomfortable space and you'll reap the rewards

603
00:38:03,590 --> 00:38:07,360
big time. And whether that means like going into a

604
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:11,000
guitar shop, especially as a chick, and like

605
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,640
trying a guitar or a pedal or an amp and

606
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:18,320
like just doing that and, and not feeling afraid to like, ask

607
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,680
for what you need or ask questions and not pretending that you know everything.

608
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:25,440
Because that was a big thing for me when I was first coming up. That

609
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,560
could be an example of getting out of your comfort zone.

610
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:30,080
So, yeah.

611
00:38:38,830 --> 00:38:40,190
Bringing it backwards,

612
00:38:44,030 --> 00:38:47,550
bringing it backward. Bringing it backward,

613
00:38:47,710 --> 00:38:51,150
bringing it backward, bringing it backward,

614
00:38:51,390 --> 00:38:53,070
bringing it backward.