Nov. 5, 2025
BiB: Ella Rosa – Anxious Attachment Style: The EP That Changed Everything
Ever wondered what it’s like to go from a tiny hamlet in England to the heart of Manhattan—and then channel all those big feelings into powerful, honest music? On this episode of Bringin’ It Backwards, Adam Lisicky sits down with Ella Rosa, an artist whose journey might just inspire you to rethink what’s possible.
Ella opens up about her move from Reading, England to New York City at age eleven, tackling the culture shock and homesickness that shaped so much of her early songwriting. She shares how classical training, opera, and musical theater led her to top-lining EDM tracks in New York’s nightlife scene—sometimes sneaking out of the house to perform in clubs before she was even old enough to drive. From writing in packed studios as the only girl in the room to forging her own path with deeply personal songs, Ella paints a vivid picture of what it means to stay true to yourself as an artist.
They dive into the release and impact of her breakthrough EP, Anxious Attachment Style, and chat about her latest singles—plus why she’s obsessed with making music that makes you feel something and throwing parties that bring LA together. Whether you’re figuring out your sound or just need a boost of creative affirmation, this conversation shows how embracing your weirdness is often the secret sauce in moving forward.
Don’t miss this candid, insightful episode—hit subscribe to Bringin’ It Backwards and listen as Ella Rosa reflects on her rise, her honesty, and what she wishes every young artist knew.
We'd love to see you join our BiB Facebook Group.
Transcript
1
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,080
What is going on? It is Adam. Welcome back to Bringing It Backwards, a podcast
2
00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,920
where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories
3
00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,720
of how they achieve stardom. On this episode, we had
4
00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,320
a chance to hang out with Ella Rosa over Zoom
5
00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,640
Video. Ella was born and raised just outside of
6
00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,240
Reading in England and talks about how she got into music.
7
00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,480
Moved to New York City to Manhattan at 11 years old and that
8
00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,110
was a huge change for her. When she got to Manhattan, she
9
00:00:30,110 --> 00:00:33,630
started studying more classical music and opera. She did musical
10
00:00:33,630 --> 00:00:37,390
theater. She talked about her first gigs, really working in the
11
00:00:37,390 --> 00:00:40,870
studio, top lining for different EDM artists.
12
00:00:41,030 --> 00:00:44,469
And then she would go and perform those songs with those artists at night. So
13
00:00:44,469 --> 00:00:48,110
at like 14, 15 years old, she's performing in these
14
00:00:48,110 --> 00:00:51,910
big nightclubs in New York City. She ended up moving back
15
00:00:51,990 --> 00:00:55,590
to England to pursue her degree and
16
00:00:55,670 --> 00:00:59,410
to songwrite for other people. She talked about releasing
17
00:00:59,410 --> 00:01:03,210
her first projects under Ela Rosa, moving to Los Angeles,
18
00:01:03,530 --> 00:01:07,210
the success of her ep Anxious Attachment Style, and
19
00:01:07,210 --> 00:01:10,930
all about all the new music she has coming out
20
00:01:10,930 --> 00:01:14,610
with the most recent one being a track called Fun. You can
21
00:01:14,610 --> 00:01:18,170
watch our interview with Ella on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at
22
00:01:18,170 --> 00:01:21,970
bringing it Backwards. It'd be amazing if you subscribe to our channel like us
23
00:01:21,970 --> 00:01:25,570
on Facebook, follow us on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok
24
00:01:25,570 --> 00:01:29,280
at Bringing Back podcast. And if you're listening to this on Spotify,
25
00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,040
Apple Music, Google podcasts, please, please, please rate and review
26
00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,640
the podcast. It helps us out tremendously. We'd
27
00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,000
appreciate your support if you follow and subscribe to our podcasts.
28
00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,800
Wherever you listen to podcasts, we're Bringing. It Backwards with
29
00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,120
Ella Rosa.
30
00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:52,960
Bringing it backwards.
31
00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,900
Bringing it back. Bringing it back.
32
00:02:00,460 --> 00:02:03,660
Bringing it backwards. Bringing it back.
33
00:02:04,140 --> 00:02:05,500
Bringing it back.
34
00:02:07,740 --> 00:02:11,340
Hey, how are you? I'm
35
00:02:11,340 --> 00:02:15,019
fantastic. Thanks for doing this, Ella. I appreciate it. Of course, of
36
00:02:15,019 --> 00:02:18,540
course. What's up? How have you been? I've been well. How about you?
37
00:02:19,420 --> 00:02:23,020
I've been good. Monday is Mondaying. Definitely.
38
00:02:23,580 --> 00:02:27,420
Yeah. Where are you located?
39
00:02:28,060 --> 00:02:31,860
I'm in. I'm in la. I know I look like I'm in the Arctic
40
00:02:31,860 --> 00:02:33,900
right now with this hat on, but I'm just like,
41
00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:38,460
I can't. I actually can't take this. How I love it so much.
42
00:02:39,260 --> 00:02:42,300
It's good. Yeah. I live in Echo Park. What about you? Where do you live?
43
00:02:43,100 --> 00:02:46,660
I live in Nashville now, but I used to live in San. I'm from San
44
00:02:46,660 --> 00:02:50,460
Diego. Oh, that's so nice. I love Nashville. So fun. Yeah, it's
45
00:02:50,460 --> 00:02:53,240
great. So. Oh, Echo Park. Right on. Yeah. I love.
46
00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,840
Rad. Well, this is about you and your journey in music.
47
00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,520
And we'll talk about the. The newest song you put out, Fun
48
00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,000
and everything else that's going on.
49
00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,920
Sweet. So first off, you weren't born and raised in Los
50
00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:13,480
Angeles, right? You're in England, correct? Yeah, yeah, I grew up in Reading,
51
00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,760
England. I moved to New York and then, yeah, I'm here.
52
00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,280
Okay, tell me about Reading. England, obviously have a big festival out
53
00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,120
there. It's literally so. Well, Reading's like the
54
00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,880
bigger place, obviously. I grew up in like, a really,
55
00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,440
really tiny town called Play Hatch. And then literally it's more
56
00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,960
called a Hamlet. They call was
57
00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,440
six houses, really tiny.
58
00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,400
Reading is like a massive city. So I just say Reading because it's like
59
00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,920
the easiest people know the festival and stuff like that. But okay,
60
00:03:47,330 --> 00:03:50,050
definitely small town. And when I moved to New York, it was like
61
00:03:51,170 --> 00:03:55,010
culture shock. But definitely it was. It was going from
62
00:03:55,090 --> 00:03:58,810
tiny, tiny town to Manhattan, which was just like, so
63
00:03:58,810 --> 00:04:02,450
much freedom. Freedom beyond, like, belief. Yeah.
64
00:04:02,690 --> 00:04:06,450
What age did you move to New York? I think I was 11. I,
65
00:04:06,450 --> 00:04:10,250
like, it's. It's kind of a point of contention. We never actually know when. When
66
00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:12,490
I moved, but I think I was. I think I was 11 because I had
67
00:04:12,490 --> 00:04:16,240
my 12th birthday there. Okay, so you spent a
68
00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,040
major. I mean, 11 on in the States. And not only that, but like,
69
00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,800
in New York. I mean, you went from this little town to moving to
70
00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,600
Manhattan as a child. Wow. Yeah.
71
00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,440
Like, unfortunately, when I was in New York, I
72
00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,280
was like, insanely homesick. So, like, Easter break,
73
00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:39,080
I would go back, Christmas break, I would go back summer break. Obviously I
74
00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,520
would spend the entire summer back home with all my friends in England. So, like,
75
00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,560
I. It felt like I wasn't. It felt like I was almost like visiting
76
00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,520
New York, less, like, living there
77
00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,000
because we still had our place in England. And like, I felt.
78
00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,680
I felt way more at home in England, which I still
79
00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,840
kind of do these days, even if it's been like so long. It's
80
00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:04,880
been like 10, 15 years since that. Sure, but
81
00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,480
what took you to New York than your parents
82
00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,440
or something? Yeah, it was like my family's job. I didn't really see much. My
83
00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,180
dad and so I. They. We moved. Moved. And then I obviously saw
84
00:05:16,180 --> 00:05:18,740
like, a lot more of my family, which is really nice, but we were all
85
00:05:18,740 --> 00:05:22,340
kind of going through this, like, huge transition and no one was really talking
86
00:05:22,340 --> 00:05:25,820
about it, so I think that was a bit
87
00:05:25,820 --> 00:05:28,860
tough. I thought it was going to make us, like, closer, but it didn't really.
88
00:05:29,580 --> 00:05:32,700
Okay, so what about music? How do you get into Music like,
89
00:05:33,660 --> 00:05:36,820
are you in piano lessons or anything like that? Do you come from a musical
90
00:05:36,820 --> 00:05:40,620
household? Yeah, because of that move. Honestly, like I. I was in. I
91
00:05:40,620 --> 00:05:44,410
was in like, you know, kiddie music lessons when I was in England, but when
92
00:05:44,410 --> 00:05:48,170
I moved to New York, I was like, okay, I have to
93
00:05:48,170 --> 00:05:51,770
make the best of this. And. And the entertainment
94
00:05:51,770 --> 00:05:55,610
space, like musical theater wise or classical music wise in
95
00:05:55,610 --> 00:05:59,370
New York is so prevalent. So I
96
00:05:59,370 --> 00:06:03,090
did I kind of like use that sadness and like
97
00:06:03,810 --> 00:06:07,570
homesickness and otherness and I put it into music.
98
00:06:08,490 --> 00:06:11,210
And I thought I was going to be a musical theater kid, but I can't
99
00:06:11,210 --> 00:06:14,810
act for shit. So suddenly
100
00:06:15,050 --> 00:06:18,210
became my thing. And I also had a lot to say. Like I felt like
101
00:06:18,210 --> 00:06:21,610
I had. My parents wanted to put me in therapy and all that stuff. And
102
00:06:21,610 --> 00:06:24,170
I was like, I honestly just want to like write a lot of stuff down.
103
00:06:24,810 --> 00:06:27,930
And I realized that it was mostly because I'm sure a lot of people like
104
00:06:27,930 --> 00:06:31,130
feel similarly like therapies too in your face.
105
00:06:31,530 --> 00:06:35,360
And I think doing it through art is
106
00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,120
a lot more disguised, I guess, and it feels way more beautiful and
107
00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,640
purposeful to me at least. So you started
108
00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,400
singing obviously, like, and that was in musical theater and.
109
00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,720
Well, yeah, you did some in England, but when you moved to New York you
110
00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,000
pursued it as far as like musical theater went. Yeah, I did a lot of.
111
00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,320
I did a lot of musical theater and then I did a lot of like.
112
00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,640
I was. I was fully like an opera kid from the age of like 14
113
00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,470
onwards and I was doing a lot like
114
00:07:02,470 --> 00:07:05,630
young met stuff and I just kind of like got bored of it and I
115
00:07:05,630 --> 00:07:09,390
was writing on the side. And when I started going out at the young
116
00:07:09,390 --> 00:07:12,590
age of like 14 in New York City,
117
00:07:13,150 --> 00:07:16,830
I was meeting a lot of producers and whatnot. And so when I was
118
00:07:16,830 --> 00:07:20,270
like, they would ask me to be in sessions like, oh, you sing.
119
00:07:20,430 --> 00:07:24,230
Let's just put her on as a top liner. They didn't wrote then
120
00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:27,910
so that I would like sing on their songs and like perform at their
121
00:07:27,910 --> 00:07:31,390
shows. Really. I was so young and I had braces, I looked
122
00:07:31,390 --> 00:07:35,140
crazy. And it was just like so weird because I
123
00:07:35,140 --> 00:07:38,980
was doing classical music in the day and then staying up really, really
124
00:07:38,980 --> 00:07:42,460
late at night be at these clubs which I
125
00:07:42,460 --> 00:07:45,140
loved because I was like working at like technically working
126
00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:50,180
feel like I was like doing anything bad. But talking about it
127
00:07:50,180 --> 00:07:53,900
now sounds kind of funny. Yeah, I mean that's so
128
00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:57,660
young. 14. And then obviously your. Your parents were supportive
129
00:07:57,660 --> 00:08:01,410
of that idea that you could do that, like give or take. Yeah.
130
00:08:01,410 --> 00:08:04,170
I remember a couple of nights while my parents were like, this is not a
131
00:08:04,170 --> 00:08:07,010
show. Like, you're obviously just going out to, like, go out.
132
00:08:08,690 --> 00:08:12,370
And at that point, we had, like, a house where I could
133
00:08:13,170 --> 00:08:16,890
kind of sneak out. So I snuck out a couple of times to
134
00:08:16,890 --> 00:08:20,650
go. To go sing. But, yeah, it was. It
135
00:08:20,650 --> 00:08:24,450
was just such a funny time for us, I think. So
136
00:08:24,450 --> 00:08:28,180
you kind of grew up in the. More like this, obviously, in the
137
00:08:28,180 --> 00:08:31,620
live performance space, but also in the studio where you were toplining first
138
00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:35,500
for artists that had songs written. Yeah, most of the.
139
00:08:35,500 --> 00:08:39,140
Most of the time, like, my creation was happening in the studio.
140
00:08:39,140 --> 00:08:42,940
Now it's actually, like, completely opposite. Like, I. I
141
00:08:42,940 --> 00:08:46,620
write at home. I have a studio here, and I write myself, and I
142
00:08:46,620 --> 00:08:50,420
just do that all the time by myself. But back
143
00:08:50,420 --> 00:08:54,140
then, it was very much like studio life. I was, like, pretty much the only
144
00:08:54,140 --> 00:08:57,350
girl in the room. A bunch of, like, random
145
00:08:58,310 --> 00:08:59,670
producers, you know?
146
00:09:02,390 --> 00:09:05,190
Yeah. Okay, so with,
147
00:09:06,150 --> 00:09:09,470
like, at what point did you decide that you wanted to kind of start your
148
00:09:09,470 --> 00:09:13,230
own thing? Like, you know, have my. Your own project and
149
00:09:13,230 --> 00:09:16,670
really pursue it instead of being, like, a voice on someone
150
00:09:16,670 --> 00:09:20,430
else's project or song? Like, when do you start writing your
151
00:09:20,430 --> 00:09:23,940
own songs and trying to pursue. I think it was when I got frustrated with
152
00:09:23,940 --> 00:09:26,980
those. Like, one session I had where I was like, these lyrics are just
153
00:09:27,460 --> 00:09:31,260
bad, and I felt, like, silly singing them. Especially
154
00:09:31,260 --> 00:09:35,060
as a girl. I was like, this. This has nothing. Like, like, the person
155
00:09:35,060 --> 00:09:38,100
was basically trying to, like, talk about
156
00:09:38,740 --> 00:09:42,220
what a woman feels like. And obviously I wasn't
157
00:09:42,220 --> 00:09:46,020
contextualizing it at that point. I was just like, this sounds dumb. I would never
158
00:09:46,020 --> 00:09:49,700
say this. And I think a lot of, like, women. Other women wouldn't say
159
00:09:49,700 --> 00:09:52,580
this either. And I think it's because it was obviously written by a man. I
160
00:09:52,580 --> 00:09:55,600
couldn't write. I couldn't write for a young boy,
161
00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,960
so. And I. Nor would I want to try and emulate someone's experience like
162
00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:03,280
that. So I think I just got maybe frustrated about.
163
00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,360
About male writers trying to write about the female
164
00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,920
experience. And I. And I was like, maybe I'll just give a crack. Like,
165
00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,400
I'll, like, do my best and give a stab at it.
166
00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,040
And I think at the beginning it was, like, pretty bad. I have, like, videos
167
00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,680
of me singing of songs that I used to write, and they were, like, really,
168
00:10:22,500 --> 00:10:26,180
really bad. But again, it's like, you just gotta. Like, you
169
00:10:26,180 --> 00:10:29,620
gotta start something out the. Faucet a little bit, and then. And then the
170
00:10:29,700 --> 00:10:33,180
good water will come out. So I just. I just plugged away at it for,
171
00:10:33,180 --> 00:10:36,740
like, a really really long time. Okay, and you stayed in New York
172
00:10:36,820 --> 00:10:40,540
up until. When did you move to Los Angeles? I was in New York for,
173
00:10:40,540 --> 00:10:44,220
like, eight years. And then when I'm. I actually moved back to
174
00:10:44,220 --> 00:10:47,660
England because I was like, this is my chance. I'm an adult. I'm gonna, like,
175
00:10:47,660 --> 00:10:51,430
go back to England and, like, maybe this will be my, like, forever home.
176
00:10:51,670 --> 00:10:55,430
I went back to London to finish my degree and, like, get my chops
177
00:10:55,430 --> 00:10:59,190
up in songwriting. And I was doing a lot. I was literally writing
178
00:10:59,190 --> 00:11:02,670
every single day in the studio. Like, didn't release one thing, but I was just
179
00:11:02,670 --> 00:11:06,110
writing a lot for other people. I didn't release anything
180
00:11:06,110 --> 00:11:09,110
myself. And I was there for
181
00:11:09,590 --> 00:11:13,310
three, four years, and then I came here for a week, L.
182
00:11:13,310 --> 00:11:16,830
A. And I really just. I fell in love with that, and I
183
00:11:16,830 --> 00:11:20,580
stayed. Okay, so you started off writing
184
00:11:20,580 --> 00:11:24,260
for other people after the. After, you know, doing the top lining thing
185
00:11:24,260 --> 00:11:27,260
and singing other people's songs, then you ended up writing
186
00:11:28,060 --> 00:11:31,820
for other people? Yeah, like an alias. Because they
187
00:11:31,820 --> 00:11:35,500
didn't want. Obviously. I think now I'm. I'm
188
00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:39,260
proudly, like, putting my name out there as a writer. But at that time, I
189
00:11:39,260 --> 00:11:42,260
knew, like, I had a bit of foresight that I knew that I was still,
190
00:11:42,260 --> 00:11:46,030
like, learning how to do all that stuff. So it's nice now
191
00:11:46,030 --> 00:11:49,710
because no one can find any of my old, old writing stuff.
192
00:11:51,550 --> 00:11:55,390
So you did that, and then at what point did you get kind of
193
00:11:55,630 --> 00:11:58,990
sick of writing for other people and you're like, I want to just make this.
194
00:11:59,149 --> 00:12:02,510
I want to do my own thing. I want to put out my own. I
195
00:12:02,510 --> 00:12:05,430
wouldn't say I got sick of it because I literally do it, like, to this
196
00:12:05,430 --> 00:12:09,070
day, and I honestly really love it. Okay. I. I
197
00:12:09,070 --> 00:12:12,190
do love, love, love it. But I think at that point I was like, I'm
198
00:12:12,190 --> 00:12:14,960
not doing this. I'm gonna just do it for myself.
199
00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,440
That was like. I think I was about four to five years in
200
00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,880
of singing top lines and doing other people's stuff.
201
00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,600
And I felt at that point I was, like, ready, and I was just bored.
202
00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,520
And I think a lot of the, Like, a lot of my life has been
203
00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,760
moving around, and most of the time, the moving around has been, like,
204
00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,120
catalyst by me feeling really bored. So
205
00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,930
that's a good signal for me to do things. Okay, so if you start
206
00:12:42,930 --> 00:12:46,690
getting bored, then, you know it's time for a change. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And
207
00:12:46,690 --> 00:12:50,210
then so you put out. I'm just going off your Spotify. You put out song
208
00:12:50,210 --> 00:12:53,970
in 20 some more than one. But you put out music in 2020. Was
209
00:12:53,970 --> 00:12:57,769
that like, kind of the first. Like, this is my, like, Ella Rosa. I
210
00:12:57,769 --> 00:13:01,610
actually, like, put music out before that, and I had. It
211
00:13:01,610 --> 00:13:04,010
was with a distribution company that I think went under.
212
00:13:05,930 --> 00:13:09,670
And I never really followed up about it because I honestly was like, I
213
00:13:09,670 --> 00:13:13,150
shouldn't have that anyway. But it's really sweet listening to that music because I was
214
00:13:13,150 --> 00:13:16,470
like, that was my first go at being an artist
215
00:13:16,630 --> 00:13:20,430
fully, I think. Did it sound anything like
216
00:13:20,430 --> 00:13:24,190
what you have out now? No, my God, no. No. I think I found
217
00:13:24,190 --> 00:13:27,190
my sound now that I'm really, like, living on
218
00:13:29,190 --> 00:13:32,830
in, like, for the last two years. Which is so funny because it's full circle.
219
00:13:32,830 --> 00:13:36,570
It's like coming back to the Edmund esque. I know
220
00:13:36,570 --> 00:13:40,290
it's not edm, but, like, electronic space that I used to
221
00:13:40,290 --> 00:13:42,690
do when I was toplining when I was like, 15.
222
00:13:44,690 --> 00:13:48,410
Yeah, yeah. So because you. You went through what. What
223
00:13:48,410 --> 00:13:52,210
were the songs that up that you said that got taken down? Were
224
00:13:52,210 --> 00:13:55,370
they more like singer, songwritery or what? Like, yeah, they were like, more. I think
225
00:13:55,370 --> 00:13:58,850
I was like, edging on the more R B space. And I think, like,
226
00:13:59,090 --> 00:14:02,810
I didn't have much, like, I wasn't. I just didn't have much to say
227
00:14:02,810 --> 00:14:06,210
about the R and B space. I'm like, I love. I love
228
00:14:06,850 --> 00:14:10,690
writing about love, but I'm like, that's not something that gets me excited. I like
229
00:14:10,690 --> 00:14:14,410
writing about situations and different funny things that are
230
00:14:14,410 --> 00:14:18,170
relatable. And I think I was really,
231
00:14:18,170 --> 00:14:21,730
really trying and pushing on the R and B stuff. And I was like, wait,
232
00:14:21,730 --> 00:14:25,490
I'm pushing something that I don't even have anything to talk about?
233
00:14:27,820 --> 00:14:31,620
And so what, like, what was kind of like. I mean,
234
00:14:31,620 --> 00:14:34,540
you're doing this for a while, right? Was there, like, a moment, like, once you
235
00:14:34,540 --> 00:14:37,780
start putting out your own songs that like. Like what was kind of like a
236
00:14:37,780 --> 00:14:41,420
validation or kind of like a early success that you had that kept
237
00:14:41,420 --> 00:14:45,140
you continuing, you know, pursuing it? Oh, I was
238
00:14:45,140 --> 00:14:48,980
just actually thinking about this the other day because I was a bit hungover. And
239
00:14:48,980 --> 00:14:52,060
you know when you're having those anxious thoughts when you're like, what am I doing
240
00:14:53,780 --> 00:14:57,500
in life? I think it's a constant, like, back and
241
00:14:57,500 --> 00:15:00,540
forth. Because I'll have a day like that and then someone will call me and
242
00:15:00,540 --> 00:15:03,340
be like, I'm in H and M and, like, your song's playing. And I'll be
243
00:15:03,340 --> 00:15:06,980
like, okay, settle. Like, I can do this for
244
00:15:07,460 --> 00:15:11,260
a bit longer. Or, like. And
245
00:15:11,260 --> 00:15:14,900
it's hard not to associate those types of accolades with,
246
00:15:14,900 --> 00:15:18,500
like, happiness and success because it's like, what's the other
247
00:15:19,370 --> 00:15:23,170
benchmark? It's hard to find a benchmark that isn't, like, material and
248
00:15:23,170 --> 00:15:26,810
also, like, a bit toxic. So I think, yeah, there's
249
00:15:26,810 --> 00:15:29,930
always some sort of, like, vanity to it. Right. Or, like, you know, like, you
250
00:15:29,930 --> 00:15:33,650
have to, like. Because if you're putting stuff out and you
251
00:15:33,650 --> 00:15:37,410
can, like, love it, but then if no one's listening or no one cares, then
252
00:15:37,410 --> 00:15:40,250
it's like, well, how are you gonna survive on. It's not like you. Yeah.
253
00:15:41,690 --> 00:15:45,330
In the first place was to, like, know that I'm not going
254
00:15:45,330 --> 00:15:49,090
crazy and that I'm relating to people. And I want to be
255
00:15:49,090 --> 00:15:52,870
like, as I grow up, I. To be, like, an example
256
00:15:52,870 --> 00:15:56,190
to young women of, like, this is like, we're not all
257
00:15:56,190 --> 00:16:00,030
tiny, skinny, tiny blonde girls, like, going
258
00:16:00,030 --> 00:16:03,350
around being cute. Like, there's multifacetedness of, of
259
00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:07,109
feminineness. And I think
260
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:11,230
that if that's the, if that's the
261
00:16:11,230 --> 00:16:14,470
goal, I need to get away from, like, having,
262
00:16:15,270 --> 00:16:19,110
Having, like, accolades be my reason why I continue,
263
00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:23,270
you know? Yeah, but, yeah, but, like, again, you still
264
00:16:23,270 --> 00:16:26,870
kind of need those continue, I would imagine, to go forward. Right? Yeah,
265
00:16:26,870 --> 00:16:30,710
you. Unfortunately, yes, you do. Like, I think
266
00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:34,150
at the end of the day, like, young artists always ask me, like, what,
267
00:16:34,390 --> 00:16:38,070
like, why, why should I do this? Was this good? And it's like,
268
00:16:38,150 --> 00:16:41,870
the less you think about that, the better you do in your art. Because
269
00:16:41,870 --> 00:16:45,690
if you're, Then you start making stuff for that, you know, and you start
270
00:16:45,690 --> 00:16:49,370
making, like, the TikTok moments or you make stuff, but it's not
271
00:16:49,370 --> 00:16:52,250
art, in my opinion. That's controversial.
272
00:16:54,890 --> 00:16:58,490
But I think you have to have some type of, like,
273
00:16:58,650 --> 00:17:02,450
thumbs up in society to be like, okay, some
274
00:17:02,450 --> 00:17:05,850
people are, like, hitting the mark here. They're feeling, like, heard, seen.
275
00:17:06,810 --> 00:17:10,250
Yeah, you have to have some type of affirmation,
276
00:17:10,330 --> 00:17:14,170
basically, right? No, it can be anything. Honestly. At the beginning, it was like,
277
00:17:14,829 --> 00:17:18,549
just my mom hearing my music and her liking it. And like, you
278
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:21,949
know, it can be really anything, depending on the person. But
279
00:17:22,749 --> 00:17:26,509
just picking the right things is really important, I think. Or you'll go insane.
280
00:17:28,109 --> 00:17:31,389
Yeah. So, I mean, getting your song in H M is huge. So. But, like,
281
00:17:31,389 --> 00:17:34,989
early on, were you getting, like, you know, validation from a mom for mom or,
282
00:17:34,989 --> 00:17:38,749
like, did you have, like, a song that got playlist? I
283
00:17:38,749 --> 00:17:42,309
mean, what was kind of like the earlier things that started helping, you mean, like,
284
00:17:42,309 --> 00:17:45,960
okay, I, I, I am good at this. Let's keep going forward.
285
00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:49,840
There was one song, I think it was called take Yourself Home,
286
00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,720
which is one of the ones that I don't have on Spotify and I think
287
00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,320
it's on SoundCloud that got put on the the
288
00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,080
Hills and I'm a huge hills. That's awesome. Yeah. And
289
00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,920
when I was younger in England, like chubby little me eating snacks on the
290
00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,560
couch would like be watching Hills all Saturday with like my friends.
291
00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,880
And that to me was like a full circle moment. So stuff like that
292
00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,890
is really, really, really, like, makes you feel
293
00:18:15,890 --> 00:18:19,690
very good. Yeah, I can't imagine. Yeah. Song that show that you
294
00:18:19,690 --> 00:18:22,370
watch is growing up and then your song is playing in it.
295
00:18:23,330 --> 00:18:27,090
Yeah, that's cool. Very,
296
00:18:27,090 --> 00:18:30,850
very cool. So you put. You put some songs in 2020 and then obviously
297
00:18:30,850 --> 00:18:34,290
you have an EP that you put on 2022 f off. I'm fine. Tell me
298
00:18:34,290 --> 00:18:37,730
a little bit about that ep. Did you like tour it or is it just
299
00:18:38,770 --> 00:18:42,170
something. I mean. And then I guess. How did you get to LA real quick?
300
00:18:42,170 --> 00:18:45,930
Just. Okay, yeah. So first. Well, I'll say how I got
301
00:18:45,930 --> 00:18:49,690
to la. I was here for a writing camp. Yeah, you said
302
00:18:49,690 --> 00:18:53,250
that. And you didn't leave. Right. Or you came out here. Okay, but so what
303
00:18:53,250 --> 00:18:56,690
year was that when you came out to LA? I think it was
304
00:18:56,690 --> 00:18:59,410
2019. It was like
305
00:19:00,210 --> 00:19:03,570
just. I was here for a good year before COVID happened.
306
00:19:03,970 --> 00:19:07,780
Okay. And I think even Apple Find was. Like
307
00:19:07,780 --> 00:19:11,620
before COVID I believe not on Spotify, but
308
00:19:11,620 --> 00:19:15,460
maybe. Okay, yeah. Because I had a whole. Maybe I switched it over to
309
00:19:15,460 --> 00:19:19,100
a different. Yeah, I switched over to a different distribution after Covid. But it did
310
00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:22,780
come out. I remember I had a release party and it was like people were
311
00:19:22,780 --> 00:19:26,380
around. And then I think Covid, like fully full
312
00:19:26,380 --> 00:19:30,140
fledged happened and that was like. I.
313
00:19:30,460 --> 00:19:34,070
It's funny because the. The title at the time
314
00:19:34,150 --> 00:19:37,950
did not mean what it means to me now. But I at the
315
00:19:37,950 --> 00:19:41,590
time, like, it's very. It's very R and B coded. Like there's a lot of
316
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:45,390
like R and B artists who are featured on it. There's like
317
00:19:45,390 --> 00:19:49,230
really cool rappers on it. And like I'm really happy I did. I fully
318
00:19:49,230 --> 00:19:52,910
sent it. But I don't feel like longevity
319
00:19:52,910 --> 00:19:56,030
wise it relates to me in any way. I think that was like a me
320
00:19:56,030 --> 00:19:58,870
trying to fit the mold of like the people I was around at that at
321
00:19:58,870 --> 00:20:02,670
that time. Interesting. Okay, so once you came out
322
00:20:02,670 --> 00:20:06,270
in four for. You came out for writing cab and then in
323
00:20:06,270 --> 00:20:09,670
2019, then you stayed. What about when the Pandemic hit? Did you stay in L.
324
00:20:09,670 --> 00:20:13,510
A? No, I actually went. It was such. It was such a funny time, you
325
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:17,150
know, when it was when Trump was Like
326
00:20:17,310 --> 00:20:21,070
either come or go, do what you want. And I was like,
327
00:20:21,070 --> 00:20:24,510
oh my God, what the fuck do I do? Again? Me. Like my
328
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,600
6am I allowed to swear? Sorry. Yeah, you can.
329
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,120
My like 6 year old inner self was like, go back to England. This
330
00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:37,720
is your one chance. So I did, I went back to England and I think
331
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,360
I already had had my, my flights booked before,
332
00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:44,640
like the full lockdown. So I was already in England.
333
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,280
And then, and then that's when he was like, either come back or don't come
334
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,960
back. And I didn't have a passport at that point, so I
335
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,800
was like, I didn't have an American passport then. So I was like, I
336
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,440
think I'm just gonna stick it out. Because being in LA at this
337
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,120
point didn't seem worth it. Which now I
338
00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:06,800
kind of regret because I see people or artists who were
339
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,920
staying in LA and like doing little like,
340
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,400
you know, those like Covid pod writing camps or like when people were
341
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,920
like testing a lot and still working. And I kind of like, I see them
342
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,640
a bit ahead of me now and I'm like, I should have maybe
343
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,480
just done that because I really was like down bad during COVID I was
344
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,080
like gin and tonic at 1pm every day. But.
345
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,600
Yeah, so then you say, but you ended up going back and then you. When
346
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,360
did you come back to la? You know, I, I
347
00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:42,040
actually came back like six months afterwards. So it wasn't that, it
348
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,520
wasn't that long. But we're gone very. Yeah, it was when people started to get
349
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,270
the, the vaccines. I came back, was
350
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:53,070
here for like a little bit and I just, and I just stayed again. I
351
00:21:53,070 --> 00:21:56,270
got like, I moved to the east side of LA and I
352
00:21:56,590 --> 00:22:00,430
finally started to love LA again, which is really nice,
353
00:22:00,990 --> 00:22:04,030
very cool. And you put out another ep
354
00:22:04,750 --> 00:22:08,270
Anxious Attachment style. That one changed my life.
355
00:22:08,270 --> 00:22:12,110
Like for real. That one like really
356
00:22:12,110 --> 00:22:14,990
was. I want to get, I'm gonna get a tattoo of it on my arm.
357
00:22:14,990 --> 00:22:17,950
Because it really was like a turning point for me. I'd met so many
358
00:22:18,490 --> 00:22:22,250
inspiring people literally like within a week of themselves. And
359
00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:26,770
that it was a very, it was, it was a good example for me of
360
00:22:26,770 --> 00:22:29,370
like what synergy can do to art.
361
00:22:30,410 --> 00:22:34,130
And the people involved in the art can
362
00:22:34,130 --> 00:22:37,810
make a huge, huge difference. Less is
363
00:22:37,810 --> 00:22:41,370
more is, is kind of what the vibe I was getting at. And also,
364
00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:45,540
and also like, if you think it's cool,
365
00:22:45,540 --> 00:22:48,580
it's cool. Like that project, I was like throwing up
366
00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:53,020
all the time out of nerves, just like, are people gonna like it? I
367
00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:56,860
don't know. At the very End when I actually released the whole thing, I
368
00:22:56,860 --> 00:23:00,580
was like, I really think it's sick
369
00:23:00,580 --> 00:23:02,860
and I love it. And I would dance to it and I would go out
370
00:23:02,860 --> 00:23:05,860
to it. This makes me like excited to go out and like, that's the whole
371
00:23:05,860 --> 00:23:09,540
purpose of it. So I'm just
372
00:23:09,540 --> 00:23:12,820
gonna release it. And that was the time when I fully, like let go of
373
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,200
the people pleasing artist in me and
374
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,000
then it worked out. Obviously. That's. Yeah, I've heard that before though. You know,
375
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,280
it's like those things that you hold back that you're like, ah, this is not
376
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,400
good. I should maybe I shouldn't even put this out. And those are the ones
377
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,080
that will take off and, and open doors and change. Yeah. Things
378
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,280
for you. It's a gut feeling. I felt. It really did feel like a gut
379
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,280
internal feeling. And you said that change, I
380
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,000
mean aside from just musically and sonically and, and, and everything
381
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,680
else. But like, how, how did Elsa, that album
382
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,320
or that ep, like change your life? I mean, I think it
383
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,040
changed my life in the way that like people saw me in a way
384
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,640
that was different to the rest, but also like
385
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,480
relatable. I got so many more
386
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,280
collaborators from that. Like, so many people were like, this is a
387
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,280
sound that I'm looking to make. And it. And it was almost like
388
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,440
that people were looking to me for that sound, you know, like the really
389
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,780
UK coded electronic music. And
390
00:24:15,260 --> 00:24:19,020
that's always what I have wanted to be like an
391
00:24:19,020 --> 00:24:22,860
expert in my field. And I'm not saying I'm that, but I'm definitely saying
392
00:24:22,860 --> 00:24:26,580
like, that project was a good example of like what I
393
00:24:26,580 --> 00:24:30,180
could do given the time. Yeah. And then you
394
00:24:30,180 --> 00:24:33,980
got the remixes that, that came after. Right? You were
395
00:24:33,980 --> 00:24:36,860
able to collaborate with a bunch of people that remix the song. Yeah, and I
396
00:24:36,860 --> 00:24:40,000
loved doing that too because it was so like, here you go,
397
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,880
take it, do what you want. Like, there were, there were no edits really to
398
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,640
any of the. Those remixes. People literally just did it. And I was like,
399
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,440
I with it, let's just release it. Oh, wow. And did you give
400
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,000
each person like specific song, like,
401
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,480
okay, I want to do this one
402
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,520
record or you just send it out to a bunch of people and said, do
403
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,200
what you want. Yeah, it was hard because once I read release,
404
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:09,110
once I reach out to a couple people, like some people like,
405
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:10,990
oh, I want to do this one and I want to do that one. So
406
00:25:10,990 --> 00:25:14,750
like the list kind of narrowed down, but I knew the people who
407
00:25:14,750 --> 00:25:18,590
were gonna do the. The ones that like, I already kind of knew who
408
00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:22,189
would Want what? Okay. Yeah, just the vibe of the song.
409
00:25:22,189 --> 00:25:25,910
Yeah. Awesome. Well, the newest one you put out is
410
00:25:25,910 --> 00:25:29,230
fun, but you have some, you know, obviously red lights is out and gross and
411
00:25:29,230 --> 00:25:32,950
off and on and are you. Tell me about fun and then is this
412
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:35,650
gonna be compiled into another ep?
413
00:25:36,450 --> 00:25:40,050
Yeah. So fun was really fun to make.
414
00:25:41,090 --> 00:25:44,610
I. I'm kind of like releasing music every
415
00:25:46,690 --> 00:25:50,490
six weeks at this point. Like, I'll be like taking out Christmas and
416
00:25:50,490 --> 00:25:54,050
stuff like that. But I'm releasing my next song, Stay for love,
417
00:25:54,130 --> 00:25:57,170
on the 15th of November.
418
00:25:58,050 --> 00:26:01,690
A couple weeks. Yeah. Which is like two weeks now. I haven't announced it yet,
419
00:26:01,690 --> 00:26:05,220
but I will in like two days. Yeah.
420
00:26:05,380 --> 00:26:09,220
I have so much, so much new music, which is just a heightened version
421
00:26:09,220 --> 00:26:13,020
of kind of what I've done in the past. And I'm bringing in
422
00:26:13,020 --> 00:26:16,820
my opera, like, classical roots into it too. Oh, amazing.
423
00:26:17,220 --> 00:26:20,740
Yeah. So I'm really, really excited about the next body of music.
424
00:26:20,980 --> 00:26:24,780
Yeah. Cool. And then is it just going to be more like, are
425
00:26:24,780 --> 00:26:28,100
you going to continue with that release schedule kind of every six weeks or so,
426
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:31,800
Put out song or are you saving or a bigger project?
427
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,480
We kind of are going to do. I think I want to do. I don't
428
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,160
think I know I want to do just single, single, single, single. Even though they're
429
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,200
all kind of in the same vein, like, I
430
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,800
think that that's gonna be like, way more fun creatively for
431
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,480
me. They are more just put into a time
432
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,960
frame which is called like the Overarch. It's overarched,
433
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,800
like Stimulated series is kind of what I'm calling it because
434
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,240
I'm like, stimulated right now. So that's.
435
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,000
That's the time frame. I'm not necessarily calling it like a project,
436
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,520
but I would say that the music is within that
437
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,680
sphere. Love it. Well, I love what you're doing.
438
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,120
Do you have any shows. Are you doing any shows coming up to support it?
439
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,120
Yeah, I actually have also this party series that I
440
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,680
do called Simulated, and it's every season. I have one on the
441
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,200
14th, which if you're in LA, then you should come.
442
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,660
And it's the winter one's going to be me performing, summer's going to be me
443
00:27:31,660 --> 00:27:35,460
DJing and the spring. And for ones are going to be
444
00:27:35,460 --> 00:27:39,140
like, little creative moments in between. But. But
445
00:27:39,140 --> 00:27:42,900
I'm definitely, like into producing, you know, events
446
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:46,660
a lot and putting on little crazy moments
447
00:27:46,660 --> 00:27:50,220
for people to have fun at. I love it. That's amazing.
448
00:27:50,460 --> 00:27:54,060
Well, I appreciate your time. Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you. I
449
00:27:54,060 --> 00:27:57,710
have one more quick question. I want to know if you have any advice or
450
00:27:57,710 --> 00:28:01,470
aspiring artists. Such a hard question, because I'm
451
00:28:01,470 --> 00:28:03,030
still figuring out myself. But
452
00:28:05,910 --> 00:28:09,630
stay real, because there are so many people out there who will
453
00:28:09,630 --> 00:28:13,469
take take what is real from you and, like, try
454
00:28:13,469 --> 00:28:16,950
and do it themselves. And so you got to stay really, really unique and
455
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:21,110
true to yourself. Is so cliche, but it is really, really true.
456
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:24,710
If you think it's cool, it's cool. I'm sure it's very, very cool.
457
00:28:25,030 --> 00:28:26,230
So just release it.
458
00:28:33,890 --> 00:28:35,250
Bringing it backwards,
459
00:28:39,090 --> 00:28:42,610
Bringing it backwards, Bringing it backwards,
460
00:28:42,770 --> 00:28:46,290
Bringing it backwards, Bringing it backwards,
461
00:28:46,450 --> 00:28:48,210
Bringing it backwards.
00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,080
What is going on? It is Adam. Welcome back to Bringing It Backwards, a podcast
2
00:00:04,080 --> 00:00:07,920
where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories
3
00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:11,720
of how they achieve stardom. On this episode, we had
4
00:00:11,720 --> 00:00:15,320
a chance to hang out with Ella Rosa over Zoom
5
00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:18,640
Video. Ella was born and raised just outside of
6
00:00:18,720 --> 00:00:22,240
Reading in England and talks about how she got into music.
7
00:00:22,640 --> 00:00:26,480
Moved to New York City to Manhattan at 11 years old and that
8
00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:30,110
was a huge change for her. When she got to Manhattan, she
9
00:00:30,110 --> 00:00:33,630
started studying more classical music and opera. She did musical
10
00:00:33,630 --> 00:00:37,390
theater. She talked about her first gigs, really working in the
11
00:00:37,390 --> 00:00:40,870
studio, top lining for different EDM artists.
12
00:00:41,030 --> 00:00:44,469
And then she would go and perform those songs with those artists at night. So
13
00:00:44,469 --> 00:00:48,110
at like 14, 15 years old, she's performing in these
14
00:00:48,110 --> 00:00:51,910
big nightclubs in New York City. She ended up moving back
15
00:00:51,990 --> 00:00:55,590
to England to pursue her degree and
16
00:00:55,670 --> 00:00:59,410
to songwrite for other people. She talked about releasing
17
00:00:59,410 --> 00:01:03,210
her first projects under Ela Rosa, moving to Los Angeles,
18
00:01:03,530 --> 00:01:07,210
the success of her ep Anxious Attachment Style, and
19
00:01:07,210 --> 00:01:10,930
all about all the new music she has coming out
20
00:01:10,930 --> 00:01:14,610
with the most recent one being a track called Fun. You can
21
00:01:14,610 --> 00:01:18,170
watch our interview with Ella on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at
22
00:01:18,170 --> 00:01:21,970
bringing it Backwards. It'd be amazing if you subscribe to our channel like us
23
00:01:21,970 --> 00:01:25,570
on Facebook, follow us on Instagram, Twitter and TikTok
24
00:01:25,570 --> 00:01:29,280
at Bringing Back podcast. And if you're listening to this on Spotify,
25
00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,040
Apple Music, Google podcasts, please, please, please rate and review
26
00:01:33,040 --> 00:01:36,640
the podcast. It helps us out tremendously. We'd
27
00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,000
appreciate your support if you follow and subscribe to our podcasts.
28
00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:43,800
Wherever you listen to podcasts, we're Bringing. It Backwards with
29
00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:45,120
Ella Rosa.
30
00:01:51,440 --> 00:01:52,960
Bringing it backwards.
31
00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:59,900
Bringing it back. Bringing it back.
32
00:02:00,460 --> 00:02:03,660
Bringing it backwards. Bringing it back.
33
00:02:04,140 --> 00:02:05,500
Bringing it back.
34
00:02:07,740 --> 00:02:11,340
Hey, how are you? I'm
35
00:02:11,340 --> 00:02:15,019
fantastic. Thanks for doing this, Ella. I appreciate it. Of course, of
36
00:02:15,019 --> 00:02:18,540
course. What's up? How have you been? I've been well. How about you?
37
00:02:19,420 --> 00:02:23,020
I've been good. Monday is Mondaying. Definitely.
38
00:02:23,580 --> 00:02:27,420
Yeah. Where are you located?
39
00:02:28,060 --> 00:02:31,860
I'm in. I'm in la. I know I look like I'm in the Arctic
40
00:02:31,860 --> 00:02:33,900
right now with this hat on, but I'm just like,
41
00:02:35,500 --> 00:02:38,460
I can't. I actually can't take this. How I love it so much.
42
00:02:39,260 --> 00:02:42,300
It's good. Yeah. I live in Echo Park. What about you? Where do you live?
43
00:02:43,100 --> 00:02:46,660
I live in Nashville now, but I used to live in San. I'm from San
44
00:02:46,660 --> 00:02:50,460
Diego. Oh, that's so nice. I love Nashville. So fun. Yeah, it's
45
00:02:50,460 --> 00:02:53,240
great. So. Oh, Echo Park. Right on. Yeah. I love.
46
00:02:55,160 --> 00:02:58,840
Rad. Well, this is about you and your journey in music.
47
00:02:58,840 --> 00:03:02,520
And we'll talk about the. The newest song you put out, Fun
48
00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,000
and everything else that's going on.
49
00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:09,920
Sweet. So first off, you weren't born and raised in Los
50
00:03:09,920 --> 00:03:13,480
Angeles, right? You're in England, correct? Yeah, yeah, I grew up in Reading,
51
00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,760
England. I moved to New York and then, yeah, I'm here.
52
00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:21,280
Okay, tell me about Reading. England, obviously have a big festival out
53
00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:25,120
there. It's literally so. Well, Reading's like the
54
00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,880
bigger place, obviously. I grew up in like, a really,
55
00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:32,440
really tiny town called Play Hatch. And then literally it's more
56
00:03:32,440 --> 00:03:35,960
called a Hamlet. They call was
57
00:03:36,280 --> 00:03:38,440
six houses, really tiny.
58
00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:43,400
Reading is like a massive city. So I just say Reading because it's like
59
00:03:43,400 --> 00:03:46,920
the easiest people know the festival and stuff like that. But okay,
60
00:03:47,330 --> 00:03:50,050
definitely small town. And when I moved to New York, it was like
61
00:03:51,170 --> 00:03:55,010
culture shock. But definitely it was. It was going from
62
00:03:55,090 --> 00:03:58,810
tiny, tiny town to Manhattan, which was just like, so
63
00:03:58,810 --> 00:04:02,450
much freedom. Freedom beyond, like, belief. Yeah.
64
00:04:02,690 --> 00:04:06,450
What age did you move to New York? I think I was 11. I,
65
00:04:06,450 --> 00:04:10,250
like, it's. It's kind of a point of contention. We never actually know when. When
66
00:04:10,250 --> 00:04:12,490
I moved, but I think I was. I think I was 11 because I had
67
00:04:12,490 --> 00:04:16,240
my 12th birthday there. Okay, so you spent a
68
00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:20,040
major. I mean, 11 on in the States. And not only that, but like,
69
00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,800
in New York. I mean, you went from this little town to moving to
70
00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:27,600
Manhattan as a child. Wow. Yeah.
71
00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:31,440
Like, unfortunately, when I was in New York, I
72
00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:35,280
was like, insanely homesick. So, like, Easter break,
73
00:04:35,280 --> 00:04:39,080
I would go back, Christmas break, I would go back summer break. Obviously I
74
00:04:39,080 --> 00:04:42,520
would spend the entire summer back home with all my friends in England. So, like,
75
00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,560
I. It felt like I wasn't. It felt like I was almost like visiting
76
00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:49,520
New York, less, like, living there
77
00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:54,000
because we still had our place in England. And like, I felt.
78
00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:57,680
I felt way more at home in England, which I still
79
00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,840
kind of do these days, even if it's been like so long. It's
80
00:05:01,840 --> 00:05:04,880
been like 10, 15 years since that. Sure, but
81
00:05:05,760 --> 00:05:08,480
what took you to New York than your parents
82
00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:12,440
or something? Yeah, it was like my family's job. I didn't really see much. My
83
00:05:12,440 --> 00:05:16,180
dad and so I. They. We moved. Moved. And then I obviously saw
84
00:05:16,180 --> 00:05:18,740
like, a lot more of my family, which is really nice, but we were all
85
00:05:18,740 --> 00:05:22,340
kind of going through this, like, huge transition and no one was really talking
86
00:05:22,340 --> 00:05:25,820
about it, so I think that was a bit
87
00:05:25,820 --> 00:05:28,860
tough. I thought it was going to make us, like, closer, but it didn't really.
88
00:05:29,580 --> 00:05:32,700
Okay, so what about music? How do you get into Music like,
89
00:05:33,660 --> 00:05:36,820
are you in piano lessons or anything like that? Do you come from a musical
90
00:05:36,820 --> 00:05:40,620
household? Yeah, because of that move. Honestly, like I. I was in. I
91
00:05:40,620 --> 00:05:44,410
was in like, you know, kiddie music lessons when I was in England, but when
92
00:05:44,410 --> 00:05:48,170
I moved to New York, I was like, okay, I have to
93
00:05:48,170 --> 00:05:51,770
make the best of this. And. And the entertainment
94
00:05:51,770 --> 00:05:55,610
space, like musical theater wise or classical music wise in
95
00:05:55,610 --> 00:05:59,370
New York is so prevalent. So I
96
00:05:59,370 --> 00:06:03,090
did I kind of like use that sadness and like
97
00:06:03,810 --> 00:06:07,570
homesickness and otherness and I put it into music.
98
00:06:08,490 --> 00:06:11,210
And I thought I was going to be a musical theater kid, but I can't
99
00:06:11,210 --> 00:06:14,810
act for shit. So suddenly
100
00:06:15,050 --> 00:06:18,210
became my thing. And I also had a lot to say. Like I felt like
101
00:06:18,210 --> 00:06:21,610
I had. My parents wanted to put me in therapy and all that stuff. And
102
00:06:21,610 --> 00:06:24,170
I was like, I honestly just want to like write a lot of stuff down.
103
00:06:24,810 --> 00:06:27,930
And I realized that it was mostly because I'm sure a lot of people like
104
00:06:27,930 --> 00:06:31,130
feel similarly like therapies too in your face.
105
00:06:31,530 --> 00:06:35,360
And I think doing it through art is
106
00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:39,120
a lot more disguised, I guess, and it feels way more beautiful and
107
00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:42,640
purposeful to me at least. So you started
108
00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:46,400
singing obviously, like, and that was in musical theater and.
109
00:06:46,480 --> 00:06:49,720
Well, yeah, you did some in England, but when you moved to New York you
110
00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,000
pursued it as far as like musical theater went. Yeah, I did a lot of.
111
00:06:53,000 --> 00:06:55,320
I did a lot of musical theater and then I did a lot of like.
112
00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:58,640
I was. I was fully like an opera kid from the age of like 14
113
00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:02,470
onwards and I was doing a lot like
114
00:07:02,470 --> 00:07:05,630
young met stuff and I just kind of like got bored of it and I
115
00:07:05,630 --> 00:07:09,390
was writing on the side. And when I started going out at the young
116
00:07:09,390 --> 00:07:12,590
age of like 14 in New York City,
117
00:07:13,150 --> 00:07:16,830
I was meeting a lot of producers and whatnot. And so when I was
118
00:07:16,830 --> 00:07:20,270
like, they would ask me to be in sessions like, oh, you sing.
119
00:07:20,430 --> 00:07:24,230
Let's just put her on as a top liner. They didn't wrote then
120
00:07:24,230 --> 00:07:27,910
so that I would like sing on their songs and like perform at their
121
00:07:27,910 --> 00:07:31,390
shows. Really. I was so young and I had braces, I looked
122
00:07:31,390 --> 00:07:35,140
crazy. And it was just like so weird because I
123
00:07:35,140 --> 00:07:38,980
was doing classical music in the day and then staying up really, really
124
00:07:38,980 --> 00:07:42,460
late at night be at these clubs which I
125
00:07:42,460 --> 00:07:45,140
loved because I was like working at like technically working
126
00:07:46,500 --> 00:07:50,180
feel like I was like doing anything bad. But talking about it
127
00:07:50,180 --> 00:07:53,900
now sounds kind of funny. Yeah, I mean that's so
128
00:07:53,900 --> 00:07:57,660
young. 14. And then obviously your. Your parents were supportive
129
00:07:57,660 --> 00:08:01,410
of that idea that you could do that, like give or take. Yeah.
130
00:08:01,410 --> 00:08:04,170
I remember a couple of nights while my parents were like, this is not a
131
00:08:04,170 --> 00:08:07,010
show. Like, you're obviously just going out to, like, go out.
132
00:08:08,690 --> 00:08:12,370
And at that point, we had, like, a house where I could
133
00:08:13,170 --> 00:08:16,890
kind of sneak out. So I snuck out a couple of times to
134
00:08:16,890 --> 00:08:20,650
go. To go sing. But, yeah, it was. It
135
00:08:20,650 --> 00:08:24,450
was just such a funny time for us, I think. So
136
00:08:24,450 --> 00:08:28,180
you kind of grew up in the. More like this, obviously, in the
137
00:08:28,180 --> 00:08:31,620
live performance space, but also in the studio where you were toplining first
138
00:08:31,700 --> 00:08:35,500
for artists that had songs written. Yeah, most of the.
139
00:08:35,500 --> 00:08:39,140
Most of the time, like, my creation was happening in the studio.
140
00:08:39,140 --> 00:08:42,940
Now it's actually, like, completely opposite. Like, I. I
141
00:08:42,940 --> 00:08:46,620
write at home. I have a studio here, and I write myself, and I
142
00:08:46,620 --> 00:08:50,420
just do that all the time by myself. But back
143
00:08:50,420 --> 00:08:54,140
then, it was very much like studio life. I was, like, pretty much the only
144
00:08:54,140 --> 00:08:57,350
girl in the room. A bunch of, like, random
145
00:08:58,310 --> 00:08:59,670
producers, you know?
146
00:09:02,390 --> 00:09:05,190
Yeah. Okay, so with,
147
00:09:06,150 --> 00:09:09,470
like, at what point did you decide that you wanted to kind of start your
148
00:09:09,470 --> 00:09:13,230
own thing? Like, you know, have my. Your own project and
149
00:09:13,230 --> 00:09:16,670
really pursue it instead of being, like, a voice on someone
150
00:09:16,670 --> 00:09:20,430
else's project or song? Like, when do you start writing your
151
00:09:20,430 --> 00:09:23,940
own songs and trying to pursue. I think it was when I got frustrated with
152
00:09:23,940 --> 00:09:26,980
those. Like, one session I had where I was like, these lyrics are just
153
00:09:27,460 --> 00:09:31,260
bad, and I felt, like, silly singing them. Especially
154
00:09:31,260 --> 00:09:35,060
as a girl. I was like, this. This has nothing. Like, like, the person
155
00:09:35,060 --> 00:09:38,100
was basically trying to, like, talk about
156
00:09:38,740 --> 00:09:42,220
what a woman feels like. And obviously I wasn't
157
00:09:42,220 --> 00:09:46,020
contextualizing it at that point. I was just like, this sounds dumb. I would never
158
00:09:46,020 --> 00:09:49,700
say this. And I think a lot of, like, women. Other women wouldn't say
159
00:09:49,700 --> 00:09:52,580
this either. And I think it's because it was obviously written by a man. I
160
00:09:52,580 --> 00:09:55,600
couldn't write. I couldn't write for a young boy,
161
00:09:56,240 --> 00:09:59,960
so. And I. Nor would I want to try and emulate someone's experience like
162
00:09:59,960 --> 00:10:03,280
that. So I think I just got maybe frustrated about.
163
00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:07,360
About male writers trying to write about the female
164
00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:10,920
experience. And I. And I was like, maybe I'll just give a crack. Like,
165
00:10:10,920 --> 00:10:14,400
I'll, like, do my best and give a stab at it.
166
00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:19,040
And I think at the beginning it was, like, pretty bad. I have, like, videos
167
00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:21,680
of me singing of songs that I used to write, and they were, like, really,
168
00:10:22,500 --> 00:10:26,180
really bad. But again, it's like, you just gotta. Like, you
169
00:10:26,180 --> 00:10:29,620
gotta start something out the. Faucet a little bit, and then. And then the
170
00:10:29,700 --> 00:10:33,180
good water will come out. So I just. I just plugged away at it for,
171
00:10:33,180 --> 00:10:36,740
like, a really really long time. Okay, and you stayed in New York
172
00:10:36,820 --> 00:10:40,540
up until. When did you move to Los Angeles? I was in New York for,
173
00:10:40,540 --> 00:10:44,220
like, eight years. And then when I'm. I actually moved back to
174
00:10:44,220 --> 00:10:47,660
England because I was like, this is my chance. I'm an adult. I'm gonna, like,
175
00:10:47,660 --> 00:10:51,430
go back to England and, like, maybe this will be my, like, forever home.
176
00:10:51,670 --> 00:10:55,430
I went back to London to finish my degree and, like, get my chops
177
00:10:55,430 --> 00:10:59,190
up in songwriting. And I was doing a lot. I was literally writing
178
00:10:59,190 --> 00:11:02,670
every single day in the studio. Like, didn't release one thing, but I was just
179
00:11:02,670 --> 00:11:06,110
writing a lot for other people. I didn't release anything
180
00:11:06,110 --> 00:11:09,110
myself. And I was there for
181
00:11:09,590 --> 00:11:13,310
three, four years, and then I came here for a week, L.
182
00:11:13,310 --> 00:11:16,830
A. And I really just. I fell in love with that, and I
183
00:11:16,830 --> 00:11:20,580
stayed. Okay, so you started off writing
184
00:11:20,580 --> 00:11:24,260
for other people after the. After, you know, doing the top lining thing
185
00:11:24,260 --> 00:11:27,260
and singing other people's songs, then you ended up writing
186
00:11:28,060 --> 00:11:31,820
for other people? Yeah, like an alias. Because they
187
00:11:31,820 --> 00:11:35,500
didn't want. Obviously. I think now I'm. I'm
188
00:11:35,500 --> 00:11:39,260
proudly, like, putting my name out there as a writer. But at that time, I
189
00:11:39,260 --> 00:11:42,260
knew, like, I had a bit of foresight that I knew that I was still,
190
00:11:42,260 --> 00:11:46,030
like, learning how to do all that stuff. So it's nice now
191
00:11:46,030 --> 00:11:49,710
because no one can find any of my old, old writing stuff.
192
00:11:51,550 --> 00:11:55,390
So you did that, and then at what point did you get kind of
193
00:11:55,630 --> 00:11:58,990
sick of writing for other people and you're like, I want to just make this.
194
00:11:59,149 --> 00:12:02,510
I want to do my own thing. I want to put out my own. I
195
00:12:02,510 --> 00:12:05,430
wouldn't say I got sick of it because I literally do it, like, to this
196
00:12:05,430 --> 00:12:09,070
day, and I honestly really love it. Okay. I. I
197
00:12:09,070 --> 00:12:12,190
do love, love, love it. But I think at that point I was like, I'm
198
00:12:12,190 --> 00:12:14,960
not doing this. I'm gonna just do it for myself.
199
00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:19,440
That was like. I think I was about four to five years in
200
00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:22,880
of singing top lines and doing other people's stuff.
201
00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,600
And I felt at that point I was, like, ready, and I was just bored.
202
00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:30,520
And I think a lot of the, Like, a lot of my life has been
203
00:12:30,520 --> 00:12:33,760
moving around, and most of the time, the moving around has been, like,
204
00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:39,120
catalyst by me feeling really bored. So
205
00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:42,930
that's a good signal for me to do things. Okay, so if you start
206
00:12:42,930 --> 00:12:46,690
getting bored, then, you know it's time for a change. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. And
207
00:12:46,690 --> 00:12:50,210
then so you put out. I'm just going off your Spotify. You put out song
208
00:12:50,210 --> 00:12:53,970
in 20 some more than one. But you put out music in 2020. Was
209
00:12:53,970 --> 00:12:57,769
that like, kind of the first. Like, this is my, like, Ella Rosa. I
210
00:12:57,769 --> 00:13:01,610
actually, like, put music out before that, and I had. It
211
00:13:01,610 --> 00:13:04,010
was with a distribution company that I think went under.
212
00:13:05,930 --> 00:13:09,670
And I never really followed up about it because I honestly was like, I
213
00:13:09,670 --> 00:13:13,150
shouldn't have that anyway. But it's really sweet listening to that music because I was
214
00:13:13,150 --> 00:13:16,470
like, that was my first go at being an artist
215
00:13:16,630 --> 00:13:20,430
fully, I think. Did it sound anything like
216
00:13:20,430 --> 00:13:24,190
what you have out now? No, my God, no. No. I think I found
217
00:13:24,190 --> 00:13:27,190
my sound now that I'm really, like, living on
218
00:13:29,190 --> 00:13:32,830
in, like, for the last two years. Which is so funny because it's full circle.
219
00:13:32,830 --> 00:13:36,570
It's like coming back to the Edmund esque. I know
220
00:13:36,570 --> 00:13:40,290
it's not edm, but, like, electronic space that I used to
221
00:13:40,290 --> 00:13:42,690
do when I was toplining when I was like, 15.
222
00:13:44,690 --> 00:13:48,410
Yeah, yeah. So because you. You went through what. What
223
00:13:48,410 --> 00:13:52,210
were the songs that up that you said that got taken down? Were
224
00:13:52,210 --> 00:13:55,370
they more like singer, songwritery or what? Like, yeah, they were like, more. I think
225
00:13:55,370 --> 00:13:58,850
I was like, edging on the more R B space. And I think, like,
226
00:13:59,090 --> 00:14:02,810
I didn't have much, like, I wasn't. I just didn't have much to say
227
00:14:02,810 --> 00:14:06,210
about the R and B space. I'm like, I love. I love
228
00:14:06,850 --> 00:14:10,690
writing about love, but I'm like, that's not something that gets me excited. I like
229
00:14:10,690 --> 00:14:14,410
writing about situations and different funny things that are
230
00:14:14,410 --> 00:14:18,170
relatable. And I think I was really,
231
00:14:18,170 --> 00:14:21,730
really trying and pushing on the R and B stuff. And I was like, wait,
232
00:14:21,730 --> 00:14:25,490
I'm pushing something that I don't even have anything to talk about?
233
00:14:27,820 --> 00:14:31,620
And so what, like, what was kind of like. I mean,
234
00:14:31,620 --> 00:14:34,540
you're doing this for a while, right? Was there, like, a moment, like, once you
235
00:14:34,540 --> 00:14:37,780
start putting out your own songs that like. Like what was kind of like a
236
00:14:37,780 --> 00:14:41,420
validation or kind of like a early success that you had that kept
237
00:14:41,420 --> 00:14:45,140
you continuing, you know, pursuing it? Oh, I was
238
00:14:45,140 --> 00:14:48,980
just actually thinking about this the other day because I was a bit hungover. And
239
00:14:48,980 --> 00:14:52,060
you know when you're having those anxious thoughts when you're like, what am I doing
240
00:14:53,780 --> 00:14:57,500
in life? I think it's a constant, like, back and
241
00:14:57,500 --> 00:15:00,540
forth. Because I'll have a day like that and then someone will call me and
242
00:15:00,540 --> 00:15:03,340
be like, I'm in H and M and, like, your song's playing. And I'll be
243
00:15:03,340 --> 00:15:06,980
like, okay, settle. Like, I can do this for
244
00:15:07,460 --> 00:15:11,260
a bit longer. Or, like. And
245
00:15:11,260 --> 00:15:14,900
it's hard not to associate those types of accolades with,
246
00:15:14,900 --> 00:15:18,500
like, happiness and success because it's like, what's the other
247
00:15:19,370 --> 00:15:23,170
benchmark? It's hard to find a benchmark that isn't, like, material and
248
00:15:23,170 --> 00:15:26,810
also, like, a bit toxic. So I think, yeah, there's
249
00:15:26,810 --> 00:15:29,930
always some sort of, like, vanity to it. Right. Or, like, you know, like, you
250
00:15:29,930 --> 00:15:33,650
have to, like. Because if you're putting stuff out and you
251
00:15:33,650 --> 00:15:37,410
can, like, love it, but then if no one's listening or no one cares, then
252
00:15:37,410 --> 00:15:40,250
it's like, well, how are you gonna survive on. It's not like you. Yeah.
253
00:15:41,690 --> 00:15:45,330
In the first place was to, like, know that I'm not going
254
00:15:45,330 --> 00:15:49,090
crazy and that I'm relating to people. And I want to be
255
00:15:49,090 --> 00:15:52,870
like, as I grow up, I. To be, like, an example
256
00:15:52,870 --> 00:15:56,190
to young women of, like, this is like, we're not all
257
00:15:56,190 --> 00:16:00,030
tiny, skinny, tiny blonde girls, like, going
258
00:16:00,030 --> 00:16:03,350
around being cute. Like, there's multifacetedness of, of
259
00:16:03,430 --> 00:16:07,109
feminineness. And I think
260
00:16:07,670 --> 00:16:11,230
that if that's the, if that's the
261
00:16:11,230 --> 00:16:14,470
goal, I need to get away from, like, having,
262
00:16:15,270 --> 00:16:19,110
Having, like, accolades be my reason why I continue,
263
00:16:19,430 --> 00:16:23,270
you know? Yeah, but, yeah, but, like, again, you still
264
00:16:23,270 --> 00:16:26,870
kind of need those continue, I would imagine, to go forward. Right? Yeah,
265
00:16:26,870 --> 00:16:30,710
you. Unfortunately, yes, you do. Like, I think
266
00:16:30,710 --> 00:16:34,150
at the end of the day, like, young artists always ask me, like, what,
267
00:16:34,390 --> 00:16:38,070
like, why, why should I do this? Was this good? And it's like,
268
00:16:38,150 --> 00:16:41,870
the less you think about that, the better you do in your art. Because
269
00:16:41,870 --> 00:16:45,690
if you're, Then you start making stuff for that, you know, and you start
270
00:16:45,690 --> 00:16:49,370
making, like, the TikTok moments or you make stuff, but it's not
271
00:16:49,370 --> 00:16:52,250
art, in my opinion. That's controversial.
272
00:16:54,890 --> 00:16:58,490
But I think you have to have some type of, like,
273
00:16:58,650 --> 00:17:02,450
thumbs up in society to be like, okay, some
274
00:17:02,450 --> 00:17:05,850
people are, like, hitting the mark here. They're feeling, like, heard, seen.
275
00:17:06,810 --> 00:17:10,250
Yeah, you have to have some type of affirmation,
276
00:17:10,330 --> 00:17:14,170
basically, right? No, it can be anything. Honestly. At the beginning, it was like,
277
00:17:14,829 --> 00:17:18,549
just my mom hearing my music and her liking it. And like, you
278
00:17:18,549 --> 00:17:21,949
know, it can be really anything, depending on the person. But
279
00:17:22,749 --> 00:17:26,509
just picking the right things is really important, I think. Or you'll go insane.
280
00:17:28,109 --> 00:17:31,389
Yeah. So, I mean, getting your song in H M is huge. So. But, like,
281
00:17:31,389 --> 00:17:34,989
early on, were you getting, like, you know, validation from a mom for mom or,
282
00:17:34,989 --> 00:17:38,749
like, did you have, like, a song that got playlist? I
283
00:17:38,749 --> 00:17:42,309
mean, what was kind of like the earlier things that started helping, you mean, like,
284
00:17:42,309 --> 00:17:45,960
okay, I, I, I am good at this. Let's keep going forward.
285
00:17:46,120 --> 00:17:49,840
There was one song, I think it was called take Yourself Home,
286
00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,720
which is one of the ones that I don't have on Spotify and I think
287
00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,320
it's on SoundCloud that got put on the the
288
00:17:56,320 --> 00:18:00,080
Hills and I'm a huge hills. That's awesome. Yeah. And
289
00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,920
when I was younger in England, like chubby little me eating snacks on the
290
00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,560
couch would like be watching Hills all Saturday with like my friends.
291
00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,880
And that to me was like a full circle moment. So stuff like that
292
00:18:12,040 --> 00:18:15,890
is really, really, really, like, makes you feel
293
00:18:15,890 --> 00:18:19,690
very good. Yeah, I can't imagine. Yeah. Song that show that you
294
00:18:19,690 --> 00:18:22,370
watch is growing up and then your song is playing in it.
295
00:18:23,330 --> 00:18:27,090
Yeah, that's cool. Very,
296
00:18:27,090 --> 00:18:30,850
very cool. So you put. You put some songs in 2020 and then obviously
297
00:18:30,850 --> 00:18:34,290
you have an EP that you put on 2022 f off. I'm fine. Tell me
298
00:18:34,290 --> 00:18:37,730
a little bit about that ep. Did you like tour it or is it just
299
00:18:38,770 --> 00:18:42,170
something. I mean. And then I guess. How did you get to LA real quick?
300
00:18:42,170 --> 00:18:45,930
Just. Okay, yeah. So first. Well, I'll say how I got
301
00:18:45,930 --> 00:18:49,690
to la. I was here for a writing camp. Yeah, you said
302
00:18:49,690 --> 00:18:53,250
that. And you didn't leave. Right. Or you came out here. Okay, but so what
303
00:18:53,250 --> 00:18:56,690
year was that when you came out to LA? I think it was
304
00:18:56,690 --> 00:18:59,410
2019. It was like
305
00:19:00,210 --> 00:19:03,570
just. I was here for a good year before COVID happened.
306
00:19:03,970 --> 00:19:07,780
Okay. And I think even Apple Find was. Like
307
00:19:07,780 --> 00:19:11,620
before COVID I believe not on Spotify, but
308
00:19:11,620 --> 00:19:15,460
maybe. Okay, yeah. Because I had a whole. Maybe I switched it over to
309
00:19:15,460 --> 00:19:19,100
a different. Yeah, I switched over to a different distribution after Covid. But it did
310
00:19:19,100 --> 00:19:22,780
come out. I remember I had a release party and it was like people were
311
00:19:22,780 --> 00:19:26,380
around. And then I think Covid, like fully full
312
00:19:26,380 --> 00:19:30,140
fledged happened and that was like. I.
313
00:19:30,460 --> 00:19:34,070
It's funny because the. The title at the time
314
00:19:34,150 --> 00:19:37,950
did not mean what it means to me now. But I at the
315
00:19:37,950 --> 00:19:41,590
time, like, it's very. It's very R and B coded. Like there's a lot of
316
00:19:41,590 --> 00:19:45,390
like R and B artists who are featured on it. There's like
317
00:19:45,390 --> 00:19:49,230
really cool rappers on it. And like I'm really happy I did. I fully
318
00:19:49,230 --> 00:19:52,910
sent it. But I don't feel like longevity
319
00:19:52,910 --> 00:19:56,030
wise it relates to me in any way. I think that was like a me
320
00:19:56,030 --> 00:19:58,870
trying to fit the mold of like the people I was around at that at
321
00:19:58,870 --> 00:20:02,670
that time. Interesting. Okay, so once you came out
322
00:20:02,670 --> 00:20:06,270
in four for. You came out for writing cab and then in
323
00:20:06,270 --> 00:20:09,670
2019, then you stayed. What about when the Pandemic hit? Did you stay in L.
324
00:20:09,670 --> 00:20:13,510
A? No, I actually went. It was such. It was such a funny time, you
325
00:20:13,510 --> 00:20:17,150
know, when it was when Trump was Like
326
00:20:17,310 --> 00:20:21,070
either come or go, do what you want. And I was like,
327
00:20:21,070 --> 00:20:24,510
oh my God, what the fuck do I do? Again? Me. Like my
328
00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:27,600
6am I allowed to swear? Sorry. Yeah, you can.
329
00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:34,120
My like 6 year old inner self was like, go back to England. This
330
00:20:34,120 --> 00:20:37,720
is your one chance. So I did, I went back to England and I think
331
00:20:37,720 --> 00:20:41,360
I already had had my, my flights booked before,
332
00:20:41,360 --> 00:20:44,640
like the full lockdown. So I was already in England.
333
00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,280
And then, and then that's when he was like, either come back or don't come
334
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:51,960
back. And I didn't have a passport at that point, so I
335
00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:55,800
was like, I didn't have an American passport then. So I was like, I
336
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:59,440
think I'm just gonna stick it out. Because being in LA at this
337
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:03,120
point didn't seem worth it. Which now I
338
00:21:03,120 --> 00:21:06,800
kind of regret because I see people or artists who were
339
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,920
staying in LA and like doing little like,
340
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:14,400
you know, those like Covid pod writing camps or like when people were
341
00:21:14,400 --> 00:21:17,920
like testing a lot and still working. And I kind of like, I see them
342
00:21:17,920 --> 00:21:21,640
a bit ahead of me now and I'm like, I should have maybe
343
00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:25,480
just done that because I really was like down bad during COVID I was
344
00:21:25,480 --> 00:21:28,080
like gin and tonic at 1pm every day. But.
345
00:21:31,600 --> 00:21:34,600
Yeah, so then you say, but you ended up going back and then you. When
346
00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,360
did you come back to la? You know, I, I
347
00:21:38,360 --> 00:21:42,040
actually came back like six months afterwards. So it wasn't that, it
348
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:45,520
wasn't that long. But we're gone very. Yeah, it was when people started to get
349
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:49,270
the, the vaccines. I came back, was
350
00:21:49,270 --> 00:21:53,070
here for like a little bit and I just, and I just stayed again. I
351
00:21:53,070 --> 00:21:56,270
got like, I moved to the east side of LA and I
352
00:21:56,590 --> 00:22:00,430
finally started to love LA again, which is really nice,
353
00:22:00,990 --> 00:22:04,030
very cool. And you put out another ep
354
00:22:04,750 --> 00:22:08,270
Anxious Attachment style. That one changed my life.
355
00:22:08,270 --> 00:22:12,110
Like for real. That one like really
356
00:22:12,110 --> 00:22:14,990
was. I want to get, I'm gonna get a tattoo of it on my arm.
357
00:22:14,990 --> 00:22:17,950
Because it really was like a turning point for me. I'd met so many
358
00:22:18,490 --> 00:22:22,250
inspiring people literally like within a week of themselves. And
359
00:22:23,210 --> 00:22:26,770
that it was a very, it was, it was a good example for me of
360
00:22:26,770 --> 00:22:29,370
like what synergy can do to art.
361
00:22:30,410 --> 00:22:34,130
And the people involved in the art can
362
00:22:34,130 --> 00:22:37,810
make a huge, huge difference. Less is
363
00:22:37,810 --> 00:22:41,370
more is, is kind of what the vibe I was getting at. And also,
364
00:22:41,930 --> 00:22:45,540
and also like, if you think it's cool,
365
00:22:45,540 --> 00:22:48,580
it's cool. Like that project, I was like throwing up
366
00:22:49,300 --> 00:22:53,020
all the time out of nerves, just like, are people gonna like it? I
367
00:22:53,020 --> 00:22:56,860
don't know. At the very End when I actually released the whole thing, I
368
00:22:56,860 --> 00:23:00,580
was like, I really think it's sick
369
00:23:00,580 --> 00:23:02,860
and I love it. And I would dance to it and I would go out
370
00:23:02,860 --> 00:23:05,860
to it. This makes me like excited to go out and like, that's the whole
371
00:23:05,860 --> 00:23:09,540
purpose of it. So I'm just
372
00:23:09,540 --> 00:23:12,820
gonna release it. And that was the time when I fully, like let go of
373
00:23:13,400 --> 00:23:17,200
the people pleasing artist in me and
374
00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:21,000
then it worked out. Obviously. That's. Yeah, I've heard that before though. You know,
375
00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:24,280
it's like those things that you hold back that you're like, ah, this is not
376
00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:27,400
good. I should maybe I shouldn't even put this out. And those are the ones
377
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:31,080
that will take off and, and open doors and change. Yeah. Things
378
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:34,280
for you. It's a gut feeling. I felt. It really did feel like a gut
379
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:38,280
internal feeling. And you said that change, I
380
00:23:38,280 --> 00:23:42,000
mean aside from just musically and sonically and, and, and everything
381
00:23:42,000 --> 00:23:45,680
else. But like, how, how did Elsa, that album
382
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:49,320
or that ep, like change your life? I mean, I think it
383
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:53,040
changed my life in the way that like people saw me in a way
384
00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:56,640
that was different to the rest, but also like
385
00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:00,480
relatable. I got so many more
386
00:24:00,480 --> 00:24:04,280
collaborators from that. Like, so many people were like, this is a
387
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:07,280
sound that I'm looking to make. And it. And it was almost like
388
00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:11,440
that people were looking to me for that sound, you know, like the really
389
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:14,780
UK coded electronic music. And
390
00:24:15,260 --> 00:24:19,020
that's always what I have wanted to be like an
391
00:24:19,020 --> 00:24:22,860
expert in my field. And I'm not saying I'm that, but I'm definitely saying
392
00:24:22,860 --> 00:24:26,580
like, that project was a good example of like what I
393
00:24:26,580 --> 00:24:30,180
could do given the time. Yeah. And then you
394
00:24:30,180 --> 00:24:33,980
got the remixes that, that came after. Right? You were
395
00:24:33,980 --> 00:24:36,860
able to collaborate with a bunch of people that remix the song. Yeah, and I
396
00:24:36,860 --> 00:24:40,000
loved doing that too because it was so like, here you go,
397
00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:43,880
take it, do what you want. Like, there were, there were no edits really to
398
00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:47,640
any of the. Those remixes. People literally just did it. And I was like,
399
00:24:47,640 --> 00:24:51,440
I with it, let's just release it. Oh, wow. And did you give
400
00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:55,000
each person like specific song, like,
401
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,480
okay, I want to do this one
402
00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,520
record or you just send it out to a bunch of people and said, do
403
00:25:01,520 --> 00:25:05,200
what you want. Yeah, it was hard because once I read release,
404
00:25:05,360 --> 00:25:09,110
once I reach out to a couple people, like some people like,
405
00:25:09,110 --> 00:25:10,990
oh, I want to do this one and I want to do that one. So
406
00:25:10,990 --> 00:25:14,750
like the list kind of narrowed down, but I knew the people who
407
00:25:14,750 --> 00:25:18,590
were gonna do the. The ones that like, I already kind of knew who
408
00:25:18,590 --> 00:25:22,189
would Want what? Okay. Yeah, just the vibe of the song.
409
00:25:22,189 --> 00:25:25,910
Yeah. Awesome. Well, the newest one you put out is
410
00:25:25,910 --> 00:25:29,230
fun, but you have some, you know, obviously red lights is out and gross and
411
00:25:29,230 --> 00:25:32,950
off and on and are you. Tell me about fun and then is this
412
00:25:32,950 --> 00:25:35,650
gonna be compiled into another ep?
413
00:25:36,450 --> 00:25:40,050
Yeah. So fun was really fun to make.
414
00:25:41,090 --> 00:25:44,610
I. I'm kind of like releasing music every
415
00:25:46,690 --> 00:25:50,490
six weeks at this point. Like, I'll be like taking out Christmas and
416
00:25:50,490 --> 00:25:54,050
stuff like that. But I'm releasing my next song, Stay for love,
417
00:25:54,130 --> 00:25:57,170
on the 15th of November.
418
00:25:58,050 --> 00:26:01,690
A couple weeks. Yeah. Which is like two weeks now. I haven't announced it yet,
419
00:26:01,690 --> 00:26:05,220
but I will in like two days. Yeah.
420
00:26:05,380 --> 00:26:09,220
I have so much, so much new music, which is just a heightened version
421
00:26:09,220 --> 00:26:13,020
of kind of what I've done in the past. And I'm bringing in
422
00:26:13,020 --> 00:26:16,820
my opera, like, classical roots into it too. Oh, amazing.
423
00:26:17,220 --> 00:26:20,740
Yeah. So I'm really, really excited about the next body of music.
424
00:26:20,980 --> 00:26:24,780
Yeah. Cool. And then is it just going to be more like, are
425
00:26:24,780 --> 00:26:28,100
you going to continue with that release schedule kind of every six weeks or so,
426
00:26:28,100 --> 00:26:31,800
Put out song or are you saving or a bigger project?
427
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,480
We kind of are going to do. I think I want to do. I don't
428
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,160
think I know I want to do just single, single, single, single. Even though they're
429
00:26:39,160 --> 00:26:42,200
all kind of in the same vein, like, I
430
00:26:43,000 --> 00:26:46,800
think that that's gonna be like, way more fun creatively for
431
00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:50,480
me. They are more just put into a time
432
00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,960
frame which is called like the Overarch. It's overarched,
433
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,800
like Stimulated series is kind of what I'm calling it because
434
00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:02,240
I'm like, stimulated right now. So that's.
435
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,000
That's the time frame. I'm not necessarily calling it like a project,
436
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:09,520
but I would say that the music is within that
437
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:13,680
sphere. Love it. Well, I love what you're doing.
438
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:17,120
Do you have any shows. Are you doing any shows coming up to support it?
439
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:21,120
Yeah, I actually have also this party series that I
440
00:27:21,120 --> 00:27:24,680
do called Simulated, and it's every season. I have one on the
441
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:27,200
14th, which if you're in LA, then you should come.
442
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:31,660
And it's the winter one's going to be me performing, summer's going to be me
443
00:27:31,660 --> 00:27:35,460
DJing and the spring. And for ones are going to be
444
00:27:35,460 --> 00:27:39,140
like, little creative moments in between. But. But
445
00:27:39,140 --> 00:27:42,900
I'm definitely, like into producing, you know, events
446
00:27:42,900 --> 00:27:46,660
a lot and putting on little crazy moments
447
00:27:46,660 --> 00:27:50,220
for people to have fun at. I love it. That's amazing.
448
00:27:50,460 --> 00:27:54,060
Well, I appreciate your time. Thank you so much for doing this. Thank you. I
449
00:27:54,060 --> 00:27:57,710
have one more quick question. I want to know if you have any advice or
450
00:27:57,710 --> 00:28:01,470
aspiring artists. Such a hard question, because I'm
451
00:28:01,470 --> 00:28:03,030
still figuring out myself. But
452
00:28:05,910 --> 00:28:09,630
stay real, because there are so many people out there who will
453
00:28:09,630 --> 00:28:13,469
take take what is real from you and, like, try
454
00:28:13,469 --> 00:28:16,950
and do it themselves. And so you got to stay really, really unique and
455
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:21,110
true to yourself. Is so cliche, but it is really, really true.
456
00:28:21,190 --> 00:28:24,710
If you think it's cool, it's cool. I'm sure it's very, very cool.
457
00:28:25,030 --> 00:28:26,230
So just release it.
458
00:28:33,890 --> 00:28:35,250
Bringing it backwards,
459
00:28:39,090 --> 00:28:42,610
Bringing it backwards, Bringing it backwards,
460
00:28:42,770 --> 00:28:46,290
Bringing it backwards, Bringing it backwards,
461
00:28:46,450 --> 00:28:48,210
Bringing it backwards.
