BiB: Doobie - Real Talk on Addiction, Recovery & Reinventing Himself with Rock

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What's going on? It is Adam. Welcome back to Bringing It Backwards, a podcast where

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both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories

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of how they achieve stardom. On this episode, we hung out

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with Doobie over Zoom Video. Doobie was born

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and raised in Columbus, Ohio and talks about how he got into

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music. His mom was a big influence on him as far as

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what she was listening to in the house. A lot of Metallica, a lot of

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Tupac. So he got a lot of rock and hip hop

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inspiration as a child. He started off writing

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poetry and then while in high school, or maybe it was middle school. Middle school.

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I think he started to write his own rap songs.

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In high school is when he would produce his own music. He started making

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his own beats and he was recording other artists. He talked about meeting his

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manager who is and was the DJ for Jelly Roll for

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a number of years. One of the first tours Doobie ever did was with Jelly

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Roll and Yellow Wolf and he talks about that story, how he was able to

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get on that tour. We talk about the success of when the Drugs Don't

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Work, how the music video for that song absolutely exploded.

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All the wrong things happened that day. The video came out and it

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started off with like 30,000 views and now it's got hundreds of

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millions of views on YouTube and that song really

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changed his life. He talks about that one and all about the new music he's

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putting out. Definitely a more rock and inspired

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album that's coming. The most recent song is called Early

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Bird Gets the Whiskey and this is Doobie's first song

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that you know, has this rock vibe and this is going to be it going

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forward. He said it's going to get even more rock and roll. So love the

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song. Make sure to check it out. Early Bird gets the whiskey and you can

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Bringing it backward, bringing it backward,

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bringing it backward, bringing it backwards,

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bringing it backwards. Yo,

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what's up, Doobie? How are you, man? I'm good. How are you?

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I'm fantastic. I appreciate you doing this, man. Thanks so much, man.

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Likewise, man. Likewise. I'm excited to chat. My

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name's Adam. Very nice to meet you. What's up, man?

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Real quick, are we allowed to cuss on this or no? Oh, yeah, okay.

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Just wanted to, you know, I got a potty mom sometimes, so,

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you know, so do I. It's all good, man. I had Modest Yahoo on. He

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was rolling a blunt for like the first 10 minutes. So.

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It'S all good and do what you need to do.

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Right on, brother. Well, I'm Adam again. This is about you, your

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journey in music. And obviously we'll talk about the new music that you,

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that you have coming out and you just release. Early bird gets the whiskey.

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And I'm curious to hear, you know, about what you have going on, but

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you always start with your, your origin story. You're from Columbus, Ohio,

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originally? Yes, sir. Columbus, Ohio, born and raised.

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Go Buckeyes, right? Yes, sir. Well.

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Even though we lose the most important game of the season every year. Yeah,

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we're still rooting for the bucks. Tough

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being a Buckeyes fan the last couple years, but hey. Oh yeah,

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dude. Well, my family's from Cleveland originally. I'm. I was born and raised in San

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Diego, but my family's from Cleveland and my dad's side of the family all still

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lives there and my mom, uncle went to Ohio State. I had a chance to

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go to a game with him one time. It was wild. Oh, that's cool as

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hell. Yeah. So, I mean, honestly,

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Ohio's everywhere, dude. It is,

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it's. It's honestly insane. For real. Trying to scoot my

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mic back. All good. There we go.

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But yeah. So born and raised there. Columbus. What was that like?

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I don't know. I think we have a good blend of everything. You

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know, it's a very genre

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bent place. Is there a big

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music scene there? There are

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plenty of big artists who, who've come from

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Ohio, few from Columbus. But I wouldn't

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necessarily say there's a theme if, you know,

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I think most artists that make it. Go

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somewhere else and make it and bring it back home because we just don't really

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have that mentality, you know what I'm

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saying? And it's the people who are doing music

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don't really think that their dreams are going to pay off. I wouldn't say,

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you know, I think they're just like, ah, one day, man, one day.

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Whereas if you're in Nashville or Los Angeles, then people are really

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like, they're chasing it. You know, I

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actually moved to Nashville like four years ago. Yeah, I've seen it.

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I'm definitely about to move to Nashville. Top of the year. Are you really?

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That's amazing, man. It's be. It's awesome here.

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Well, especially for, I mean, obviously it has the country thing, but for

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rock music, dude, everyone's in that

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huge, huge. And you're not far from home. Too with that? Not at

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all. You know, like five and a half hours. Yeah, it's not far. Perfect.

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Yeah. That's amazing, man. So did you stay in Columbus? Are you still in Columbus?

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Yeah, so I always have a house here. Just because this is home based

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family. But yeah, we're getting another crib

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in Nashville too. Just because I'm to and from a lot. But

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once we get the house to Nashville, I probably will not be here as much.

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You never moved from Nashville? I mean from Columbus to go to like LA

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or whatever? Yeah, I lived in LA for seven years. Oh, you

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did? Okay. Yeah, so we'll get to that. Well, so

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how do you get into music? Do you come from a creative household? Like a

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musical family at all? My mom was

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just a fucking rock star and well, my

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dad passed when I was five, so all my influences really

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come from my mom. And she was real heavy into rap

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music and real heavy into rock music. So that. Right,

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that's awesome. Yeah, so that's kind of how I got the

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easy blend of. Of both worlds, you know? Sure.

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Listening to Metallica and Tupac right after each other, it was just.

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That's awesome. What other rap did you listen to? I'm just curious.

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90s? Well, yeah, I was born in

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95, so that would have been my earlier years, but like

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middle school years to high school years when I started having like my own

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opinions and stuff. It was definitely.

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Lil Wayne was a huge influence, obviously. Eminem. I feel like you

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can't be a white rapper and not like Eminem. That's just

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blasphemy. But Kevin Gates,

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I mean there's, there's plenty of them for real. But I would say those

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three were the most influential, you know, environment

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for you. Yeah. As far as like you getting

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into music, I mean, obviously it was in your household and mom like,

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you know, Metallica and, and Tupac and everything in between.

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But were you like put in piano lessons or anything like

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that as a kid or did you take guitar lessons or were you on the

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court choir or anything like that? No, never anything like that,

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honestly. Wow. Which. Crazy. I wish I kind of would

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have. I guess it's never too late. Right? Right,

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right. When do you start getting interested in like making your own songs? Did you

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start rapping? Was that how it all began? When I

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was like, I think seven or eight, I started

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writing like poems. Like it really started with poems

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and just learning how to rhyme the words just

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kind of like created something for me. And

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I like I was so young and singing to me

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Wasn't really like a sought out thing. I just

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more or less wanted to hear what I could put together. And then

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those kind of turned into raps and without me

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realizing it. And then when I started like figuring out

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cadence and flow and just different things, I was like,

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yo, I kind of, I kind of should just start rapping or

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like turning these into rap, you know what I'm saying? And that's kind of where

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it kick started. But when I was

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younger. I used to just watch

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all these like rock documentaries and stuff that my mom would have laying around

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the house, like VHS's and things like that. And it started

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with Kiss, like when I was. Oh wow. Yeah, when I was young enough to

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remember, I. I was seeing Paul Stanley doing that little,

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you know what I'm saying, that little thing. And I would get on my toy

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box, play air guitar, jump off of it and that I wanted to be a

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rock star. But when I started writing poems, it was just like, oh,

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it's kind of rappy, it's kind of cool, you know what I'm saying? So yeah,

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that's just basically how everything played out. When do you start

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like putting these poems or to, to music or beats

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or anything like that? Where did you download like Ableton or some

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program like that in high school or anything? I would say

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middle school. So where I went to school at, it was a.

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There's you know, a few handful of rappers

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and where I went to school at, I mean, nobody was trying to be

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a rock star, I can tell you that. Okay, but

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I just being around the homies and stuff and everybody rapping, I

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was like, yo, I could probably do that too, like if not better.

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And so we would down. We downloaded this program called

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Mixcraft back in the day and

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that was what like it was like the first form of auto tune,

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I guess you could say. And we're just like kind of learning and

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started making songs in middle school and then like as when I got in, by

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the time I got to high school, I was like, oh yeah, I'm taking it

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serious now, you know, learning how to make beats, things

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like that. I knew that I for sure I wanted

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to do that. And did you pursue that through? I mean

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like at that point were you like, okay, I'm gonna start putting music out? And

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like did you come up with, you know, a pro? Like was it like

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I'm this doobie's my project now? Or like that was years later

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down the line? That was years later. I didn't really know how to

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navigate That I was just like, yo, I'm gonna write

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cool raps and try to get it to sound the best I

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can when I record it, even though it was so shitty.

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That was the more or less the goal was, was just, like, being able to

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hear my own tone, you know? I wasn't really. I was like, yo, I'm gonna

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make it one day. I don't know how, but it'll work. But,

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you know, none of us really, truly know how to navigate the industry until

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you're in it. Right. I think I got.

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I got expelled from high school, and

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I ran into the biggest DJ in Columbus,

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Ohio, and he found me, if you will.

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You know what I'm saying? Yeah, me and him

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together, basically. He, you know, kind of went through the

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artist development thing, started releasing songs,

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like, properly with videos, you know, he kind of taught me, like, how to do

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it the right way, if you will, shout out to highlight.

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And that's where it started for real. Like, on a.

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On a scale to where it's like, oh, we actually might. Could do

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something for real outside of just making songs. You know what I'm

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saying? Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Okay. So you get expelled from high school,

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so now you have plenty of time on your hands, I imagine.

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Plenty of time. Nothing but time

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junior year, I think. Yeah. Okay.

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And then you end up meeting this per. How do you. How do you meet

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this dj? Like, watch him spin or anything like that.

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Or. I. I had a studio session. So

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one way I would make my money in high school was I

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would record people on my laptop. So I. I learned how to engineer and make

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beats. So what I do is these little packages for, you know, just

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local rappers in the city, like, yo, I got a

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beat, and I'll record a whole song and give you a beat for

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it, you know, for $50, you know what I'm saying? Or whatever the case

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may. May be. And it was one of them days where, like, okay, we're gonna

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go to a professional studio today, but I still need you to record me.

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And I was in there with, like, 10 dudes for

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real, just recording their shit. And it was my turn to drop my verse.

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And as I'm dropping my verse, Highlight walks in to ask for

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a. A blunt rap. He's like, yo, anybody in here? Cause his

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studio was down the hall. He's like, anybody in here got a blunt rap? I'm

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like, oh, that's highlight. Like, what the is

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he doing here? You know? And. And then he

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heard me rap. I got a DM on Twitter, probably

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Three hours after that session at like, one in the morning, like, yo, you should

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come by my studio. I kind of like what I was hearing earlier.

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Came over there. He was like, yo, if you make a song right now, I

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want to manage you if it's hard. And I'm like, okay. Bet. Did the song

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right there. And then he started managing me ever since. No way.

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Oh, my gosh. It's kind of random. Did you put that song out?

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Like, do you. Is that song out on your, like, Spotify or anything? That

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specific song never got released. That was more. He just

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liked it. He was just like, okay, this guy's got. It was more of the

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challenge. It was more like, okay, I'm here now. And he was like, yo, if

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you could make a cool song right now, I'll manage you. And I was like,

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okay, it's two in the morning. Just got here.

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Go. You know? Yeah. So you song was

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cool enough, right? Right. No, that's amazing. Did you work with him for a

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long time or do you still work with them now? Still with them a decade

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later. Wow, that's incredible. It's crazy.

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For real. That is so crazy. So then you start. I know, I'm just

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gonna, like, Spotify. You put an EP out in, like, about 10 years ago,

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2015 demons. And was that, like, the first project you

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had worked on with him? Yep, that was the very first project

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I ever, like, released. Like, being serious,

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like, you know, taking it serious. So, yeah, that

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was. That was the start of the Doobie era. My.

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My. My old. My. My first rap name was E

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Dub, because my original name, my real name is Eric Williams, so

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it's just my initials, so ew. And then

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when I met him, he was like, yo, that name sucks.

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He's like, you're Doobie now? Yeah. I'm like, well,

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my homies call me E. Doobie sometimes. Just playing around, and

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he's like, well, just take the E off and just be Doobie. I'm like,

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all right, cool. That works.

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That's so funny. It's like if in the Facebook movie and the guy tells

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him. He's like, drop the. The. The. The facebook.com. drop

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the. Drop the E, Man. Just go, do. Just do me. It's

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clean. Yeah. Like, you're not. You're not that anymore. You're not that.

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So when. I mean, when does stuff. I mean, you had a

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massive record, right? Or a massive. Was that YouTube that really

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blew up? Drugs don't work. Was that like, kind of

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the skyrocket moment for you? Yeah, so

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that was years. Couple years later. So you must have been having some moments

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prior to that, I would imagine, or. So in the city.

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In Columbus, like, we kind of went viral in

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Columbus first to the point where.

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A couple connections later, shout out to Struggle Jennings and

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Jelly Roll, who. Who were the first people. Jelly was the first person to bring

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me on tour. Really? Yeah. Back when he was

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rapping, this was. Dude, nine years ago.

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This is why Highlight was the biggest dj. For real. He was actually Jelly's

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dj. Wow. Yeah. So

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when I met Light, I was like, what the hell? This is Jelly

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Rolls dj. Like, what the. You feel me? And

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so that's how I kind of got the connection to Jelly was through

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Highlight and ended up on tour with him. We did probably

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two, three tours before Jelly got on a Yellow Wolf tour.

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And I just followed the tour around, and I think three,

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four shows in Yellow Wolf was like, dude, you gotta be on this tour, too.

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And he ended up adding me to the tour. Really.

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Holy. Yeah. So, like, we're probably like a week out

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from the end of the tour, right? At this point, after

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I had already. We already, you know, went through half the tour, and for

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whatever circumstances that went down, the tour ended up just

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getting canceled. Overall, I think Wolf needed a minute to

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himself. So tour got canceled. I

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was broke as fuck. We were in Vegas, I think. Definitely

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didn't have no money to get back to Ohio.

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So we caught a buddy of ours

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in Los Angeles. His name is Mad Child. He's also an

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underground rapper, and he's like the name. Actually, to be honest, he's

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pretty popular. He's from Canada, but he's

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like, yo, you can crash at my crib until you get on your feet, but

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it minds you. It's me and, like, four or five of my homies. And

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you're like, well, I got a few people with me. Yeah. So we show up,

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like, deep as hell, and he's like, yeah, you can sleep in my living room.

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And so that works out for like, a month and a half before,

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obviously, we wore out our welcome. It was just too many people

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in the living room, which. Understandable, you know, it's his house. Like, dude, we

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gotta get the out. So when basically

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we. We got put out for real.

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We stumbled off kind of like. We stumbled upon kind of like a silent

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investor, but more or less someone who was just like, yo, I'm gonna front you

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guys a crib for a little bit. And so we

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had a crib. No furniture, no beds, nothing in it, just a

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house. And we're sleeping two or three people to a room.

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Air mattresses, every single one of us. And

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woke up to blow, put air in my air mattress because, you know, they don't

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hold air. And

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I'm checking my video normal day. I go

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to check it and it got like 30, 000 streams and like

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a couple hours. And I was like, light wasn't there at the

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time. So I called him, like, Yo, I think YouTube's bugging

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out. Like, something's not right on this. This isn't normal for

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me. You know what I'm saying? It's kind of bugging out. And I kept

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refreshing it and it said the same thing. And I'm like, something's going on. I

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don't know. But then it kept moving and moving. I'm like, yo, I think.

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I really think we're going viral right now. Like, I don't know. But I

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feel like we are. And sure enough, you know,

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I would say a couple months later, ended up becoming YouTube's artist on the

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rise. And that song never stopped climbing. Still right now

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it's doing. It's done the same amount of numbers

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pretty much the last seven years, six

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years. Wow. With when the work.

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Yeah. So it's. That's the one that even started it. Like, it started

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with 30,000 and then it just never. It just never

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climbing. Yeah. Holy sh. Yeah, it's at like almost

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38 million streams on Spotify. Yeah. And then, like. But it

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was on YouTube where it really kicked off, because right now on YouTube, I think

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it's at 120 million. Yeah, it's got like 120 million views.

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Yeah, that's what. That's where it kicked off. Everything really started

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for me on YouTube. That was the. That's the place to have it start,

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though, from what I've been told, right?

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Yes. Monetarily, for sure. Yeah. They pay the

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money, get a Spotify check for like 60

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cents for your support. 40 million views.

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So it's pretty cool, man. That's amazing. So that had to be life

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changing, obviously. Yeah. I started actually being

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able to, you know, buy. Now

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I can. I can eat a steak. This is cool. You know what I'm saying?

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That's crazy, man. And then, like, you've had from that song. Did that

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bring people back because you already had a catalog of two years worth of

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music. Did people start finding your old songs through that,

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that. That record? They definitely started finding my

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own song. But once we caught wind, we knew

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that we had to milk it and get as much out of it. Because where

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we come from, that just didn't happen. So we're like, yo, if

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we have it, let's feed them. So after that, dude,

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we released the song, I think and video every

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two weeks after that or like month after that, just at

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a consistent pace. And. And it

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literally just kept funneling and funneling and it just kept getting

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bigger and bigger. And it was so crazy because

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the. When the drugs don't work music video, everything we planned

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went wrong. Really, everything went wrong. We

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ended up. The location was wrong, the camera people was

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wrong. Every. When I say everything went wrong, we ended up finding

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some random burnt down church in the middle of the woods. And the dude was

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like, yeah, my church just burnt down, but

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this is all I have. And I was like, yo, I'm sorry about that, but

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like, this is perfect. Yeah, like, can I shoot a video?

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Everything went wrong today. You know what I'm saying? And he's like, yeah,

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man. I'm like, hell yeah. And so we, we

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had. It's a long story, but a lot of shit went just super bad to

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the point where I was like, damn, we just wasted all our time shooting this

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video that didn't turn out how it was supposed to. And then it ended up

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being the biggest. Yeah. So. Yeah. So different

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camera crew than you thought. The location didn't work out. You

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find this a church, a burnt down church. You use that

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or bar. I'm sorry, it was a burnt. That was a bar. Yep.

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Okay. Burnt down bar. And then. But the video ends up working out

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and then obviously then when it goes up online, it just goes

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crazy. Yeah. And the bar had burnt down like three or four

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days before we. There's still like smoke and it

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was like. You're inhaling in there. Yeah. Like, I hate that, I

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hate saying it, but it was like Loki like day.

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Unforgiven situation. But you know, like unforeseen. I mean,

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but. Oh man. Okay, well,

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geez, dude. So then that happens and obviously it's just been kind of

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like you've been building and building and building off of that.

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Yeah. From then we realized, okay, now we, we actually have

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something. It's. We, we can, we can build off that. Like you're

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saying. Yeah. And. Yeah.

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Sorry, go ahead. No, and with the, with the jelly

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co signs and the yellow wolf co signs at that time, it

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was like, oh, this is like the new young version

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of these guys. Like so all their fans,

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kids were like listening to me. That's huge.

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Yeah, it was kind of like a funnel effect. You know? Yeah,

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well, I'm curious. I didn't ask you this when you're talking about you. So you.

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Jelly Roll and. And Yellow Wolf were on tour, and you said that you

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followed them. Like, what, would you play in the parking lot or something? Like, how

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did you follow them as far as this tour? So. So

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Struggle Jennings was also on the tour. Okay.

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And I think I met Strugg about a week after he got out of

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prison. And when the. When Yellow Wolf asked Jelly and

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Shrugged to come on the tour, because Strugg, I think, at this time, was signed

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to Yellow Wolf. Flamerican thing. Okay. Yeah. It's label. Yeah.

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Yeah. So Drug was like, yo, I need a dj.

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And Light was like, yo, I'm only gonna go if I can bring Doobie. You

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know what I'm saying? Basically. Oh, okay. So I. I rode

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around with them. I had no reason to be there whatsoever.

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And then one day, I'm just. I

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just keep popping up. And Yellow Wolf's like, dude, how the do you keep getting

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here? Like, I'm like, well, I'm riding with Struggle, but, like, I know

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I'm not supposed to be here. And he's like. He's like, bro, you're. You're the

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only one I've ever. Like, I've never seen this before. And I'm like,

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yeah, whatever it takes, bro. I don't. I'm not asking for nothing,

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anything. I just want to be here and learn some. You know what I'm saying?

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And he was like, nah, you got to be on the tour. And I was

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like, yeah. Damn, that's

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awesome. Do you want me to wash the front end of your car thing

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for the DJ set? It was.

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Yeah. Light was DJing for shrug and Jelly, that tour.

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Wow. Yeah. So that was a wild time.

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And so now you're doing more. Like, your

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new record is rock. I mean, it still has the rap element to

448
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it. I feel like. I mean, in the verses and stuff, but it's definitely a

449
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,400
rock record. Yeah. So is this, like, why

450
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,090
did you decide to kind of. Well, you

451
00:28:23,090 --> 00:28:26,570
talked earlier about having both influences in your household, but, like, why now? Are you,

452
00:28:26,570 --> 00:28:29,290
like, you know what? This. I think it's a good time for me to. I

453
00:28:29,290 --> 00:28:32,450
want to pursue this. Well, every. Like,

454
00:28:32,770 --> 00:28:36,370
especially for my fan, like, my fans who've stuck with me all the years.

455
00:28:36,850 --> 00:28:40,330
All my biggest songs, all damn near

456
00:28:40,330 --> 00:28:43,890
90% of my catalog is either sampled of

457
00:28:43,890 --> 00:28:47,490
a classic rock song or influenced

458
00:28:47,490 --> 00:28:51,310
by a classic rock song or musician. You

459
00:28:51,310 --> 00:28:54,710
know, one of my biggest songs is Nikki Stick? Yeah, sure.

460
00:28:54,790 --> 00:28:58,150
I've got multiple records with using

461
00:28:58,230 --> 00:29:01,670
rock samples. That was like my thing. And I think that's why people like me

462
00:29:01,670 --> 00:29:05,310
because they're like, oh, he's using old classic rock songs and

463
00:29:05,310 --> 00:29:08,550
turn them into rap songs. That's cool. Yeah, and

464
00:29:08,950 --> 00:29:12,710
I just, I always been that way. And my, my style of

465
00:29:12,710 --> 00:29:16,270
rap wasn't really like the normal hip hop. It was still had a lot of

466
00:29:16,270 --> 00:29:20,030
rock elements to it and I just never full sended it. And I

467
00:29:20,030 --> 00:29:23,870
was like, you know what? Now's the time, man. If there ever was a time,

468
00:29:24,270 --> 00:29:27,390
let's just take it all the way, balls to the wall and actually

469
00:29:28,510 --> 00:29:31,910
do this. And I told myself if I was going to make, if I was

470
00:29:31,910 --> 00:29:35,310
going to do a rock record, I was going to really do it. Not, not

471
00:29:35,310 --> 00:29:39,150
one foot in, one foot out. You know what I'm saying? So that's

472
00:29:39,150 --> 00:29:42,870
just basically where, where it is now. Is this a new, like, direction

473
00:29:42,870 --> 00:29:45,910
you're going or is this just the first kind of song that you've put out

474
00:29:45,910 --> 00:29:49,650
that's gone this way? Oh, no, this is the direction we're working. We have a

475
00:29:49,650 --> 00:29:52,690
whole project right now. Oh, wow. Okay.

476
00:29:53,170 --> 00:29:56,690
Dude, I love the song, man. I,

477
00:29:56,850 --> 00:30:00,450
I love your vulnerability in all of your songs and like, you talk about your,

478
00:30:00,450 --> 00:30:04,050
you know, your struggle with addiction and you know, even with early bird. Get the

479
00:30:04,050 --> 00:30:07,850
whiskey. The first line is, I wake up, I'm still drunk, you know, and I'm

480
00:30:07,850 --> 00:30:11,010
a guy in recovery, so I listen to that. I'm like, like I do, I

481
00:30:11,010 --> 00:30:14,790
relate to that. But how long you, you've been recovering?

482
00:30:15,590 --> 00:30:19,350
I've been in recovery for three years. Alcohol or

483
00:30:19,350 --> 00:30:22,870
drugs too? Well, alcohol six or

484
00:30:23,110 --> 00:30:26,910
seven now and drugs three. Awesome. Yeah,

485
00:30:26,910 --> 00:30:30,230
I'm four years clean from hard drugs.

486
00:30:32,230 --> 00:30:35,910
We're working on that. We're talking about. It's hard, dude. It's another battle, man.

487
00:30:36,070 --> 00:30:39,760
Yeah, I, Mine was. Yeah, I just tried to

488
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:43,480
swap and then it didn't work

489
00:30:43,480 --> 00:30:47,200
for me, but. No, but I was reading about that. Thank you.

490
00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:51,240
It's not easy. No. Four years for you, dude. Congrats. That's so

491
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:55,000
huge. It's. It's a beautiful thing though. I'm sure you see that light

492
00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,640
at the end of the tunnel and you're like, dude, I actually can operate without

493
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,040
these things. Yeah. Never thought like, if my mind just

494
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:05,800
explodes. Yeah. There is another way to

495
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:09,290
live. Like a piece of every day. Yeah.

496
00:31:09,530 --> 00:31:11,690
I'm not that bad of a person. Wow.

497
00:31:14,330 --> 00:31:17,770
Dude, I love that. I love that you're in recovery and, and, and that was

498
00:31:17,850 --> 00:31:20,970
what was so intriguing to me. When I was reading just your bio, I was

499
00:31:20,970 --> 00:31:24,010
like, oh, no, shitty. Because you have, I mean, a ton of songs about drugs

500
00:31:24,010 --> 00:31:27,690
and when the drugs don't work and smoking weed and all the. And

501
00:31:27,690 --> 00:31:31,410
then the early bird gets the whiskey. And I'm like, this is all. This

502
00:31:31,410 --> 00:31:34,960
guy's just talking about his life and you know, what he deals with, and it's.

503
00:31:35,670 --> 00:31:39,230
Yeah, man, I love what you're doing. I really appreciate that,

504
00:31:39,230 --> 00:31:42,950
man. It's. It's kind of tough, like, when you come from the world

505
00:31:43,110 --> 00:31:46,630
of being the vulnerable person who's every. Every

506
00:31:46,630 --> 00:31:50,350
song. It may sound like I'm romanticizing drug addiction

507
00:31:50,350 --> 00:31:53,670
and alcoholism, but like you said, it's just

508
00:31:53,830 --> 00:31:57,350
me explaining what has either happened or what's going on.

509
00:31:57,830 --> 00:32:00,830
And it. And it. And it was that it was tough at first. When I

510
00:32:00,830 --> 00:32:04,510
stopped doing drugs, I was like, what the hell do I have to talk

511
00:32:04,510 --> 00:32:07,870
about now? You know what I'm saying? Like, this is my whole connection

512
00:32:08,190 --> 00:32:11,990
with my fans. That's genuinely what I thought. And then I was like, no,

513
00:32:11,990 --> 00:32:15,670
the connection is. The story is that we're going

514
00:32:15,670 --> 00:32:19,150
through the same shit and it's cool to be like, you know.

515
00:32:19,950 --> 00:32:23,190
Yeah, that was. That was every part of me at that point in my life.

516
00:32:23,190 --> 00:32:27,030
And now this is. This is who I am because of that. You know what

517
00:32:27,030 --> 00:32:30,710
I'm saying? Right? Yeah. I don't. I don't regret anything that I did. You know

518
00:32:30,710 --> 00:32:33,850
what I mean? Like, it wasn't for that then I wouldn't be where I am

519
00:32:33,850 --> 00:32:37,530
now. And. Yeah, and I feel that with your songs too, because it's like

520
00:32:38,330 --> 00:32:41,250
somebody that might still be in it could still hear your song and relate to

521
00:32:41,250 --> 00:32:44,810
everything and you know exactly how that person feels, right? Yeah, I know

522
00:32:44,810 --> 00:32:48,610
exactly how you feel right now. I was there four, you know, four

523
00:32:48,610 --> 00:32:52,290
years ago or whatever. Well, tell me about early bird

524
00:32:52,290 --> 00:32:55,850
gets the whiskey then. I love. I love the song. Did you do that? You're

525
00:32:55,850 --> 00:32:59,290
talking about Nashville going back and forth. Did you do that record in Nashville?

526
00:32:59,950 --> 00:33:03,190
So shout out to Andrew Bayless and Connor

527
00:33:03,190 --> 00:33:06,510
Matthews. Andrew Bayless is a

528
00:33:06,990 --> 00:33:10,030
godly rock producer. He's got

529
00:33:10,430 --> 00:33:14,230
plenty of credits under his belt. He also is very amazing in

530
00:33:14,230 --> 00:33:17,950
the country space, has produced plenty of records for

531
00:33:17,950 --> 00:33:21,310
Jelly Roll, things like that. But

532
00:33:21,390 --> 00:33:25,190
basically he's just always been a buddy of mine. I never full sended it

533
00:33:25,190 --> 00:33:28,950
into rock. So we never worked together. And we scheduled a session

534
00:33:28,950 --> 00:33:32,630
to work together, our first session, and to work on rock music.

535
00:33:32,630 --> 00:33:36,230
And it was just strictly supposed to be rock music. We actually,

536
00:33:36,310 --> 00:33:40,150
he Actually came to Columbus for this session. This was the first session,

537
00:33:40,630 --> 00:33:44,390
and I think this was the second song we ever recorded together.

538
00:33:45,110 --> 00:33:48,950
No way. The second song, literally. And this was the

539
00:33:48,950 --> 00:33:52,470
second day we worked and we wrote it,

540
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:55,430
recorded it, produced it all in three hours.

541
00:33:56,840 --> 00:34:00,680
What? Really? That's how I knew the record you're hearing on

542
00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:04,400
the. That you have up now. That's everything. Yeah, everything in

543
00:34:04,400 --> 00:34:08,240
three hours. Three. No way. I literally is the

544
00:34:08,240 --> 00:34:11,839
fastest I've ever made a song. And for it to

545
00:34:11,839 --> 00:34:15,640
have that quality, I was like, what the. Are we superhumans

546
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:19,240
in here? Right? This is. This is. If this is

547
00:34:19,240 --> 00:34:22,810
possible. What the. It was. Damn. The

548
00:34:22,810 --> 00:34:26,530
chemistry was just there. And that's how I knew. I was like, yo,

549
00:34:27,650 --> 00:34:31,450
me and these boys, we got something special. I think.

550
00:34:31,450 --> 00:34:34,450
I think we're doing the right thing, because I was kind of still one foot

551
00:34:34,450 --> 00:34:38,130
in, one foot out. Like, yeah. You're like, am I

552
00:34:38,130 --> 00:34:41,610
gonna release this? I'm. And people aren't gonna like it. Like, it's just the right

553
00:34:41,610 --> 00:34:45,410
decision. Yeah, we did that song. I was like, yep, full. Send it.

554
00:34:45,410 --> 00:34:46,130
Press the button.

555
00:34:50,130 --> 00:34:52,690
So you ended up doing a whole project then. So you have a whole project.

556
00:34:53,410 --> 00:34:56,770
We've been working on it. It's.

557
00:34:56,930 --> 00:35:00,730
It's sick. I think Early Bird was

558
00:35:00,730 --> 00:35:04,250
the first single off the project because it was the necessary

559
00:35:04,250 --> 00:35:08,050
transition record. So it still has the rap elements, but then it's

560
00:35:08,050 --> 00:35:11,890
more rock and rock. Oh, yeah. The chorus is a rock. It's.

561
00:35:11,890 --> 00:35:15,570
Yeah, right. It's rock in. Kind of like

562
00:35:15,810 --> 00:35:19,250
the perfect record to get the fans ready for

563
00:35:19,650 --> 00:35:23,330
where we're going. Yeah. You didn't want to punch him in the face

564
00:35:23,330 --> 00:35:27,090
with just, like, a straight up. With a quick jab before you.

565
00:35:27,090 --> 00:35:30,650
You know what I'm saying? Knock him out. Jab,

566
00:35:30,650 --> 00:35:33,610
jab. We're gonna hit him with a couple jabs. And then when we put that

567
00:35:33,610 --> 00:35:35,650
knockout bow, Lights out.

568
00:35:38,530 --> 00:35:42,180
Oh, man. I love it. Well, how do you have. Do you have. Is the

569
00:35:42,180 --> 00:35:45,500
album done, the project done, or. Not yet? I think.

570
00:35:46,700 --> 00:35:49,580
I think I want to do two more sessions.

571
00:35:51,740 --> 00:35:55,340
Or two more weeks of sessions. So probably

572
00:35:55,340 --> 00:35:59,140
about. I'm looking to get about four to eight more

573
00:35:59,140 --> 00:36:02,820
records. We've got. We've already. I could release

574
00:36:02,820 --> 00:36:06,140
it right now if I wanted to, but I figured the more the merrier, because.

575
00:36:08,230 --> 00:36:11,630
I want to be able to drop singles in between that might not have anything

576
00:36:11,630 --> 00:36:14,590
to do with the album that way. If I want to do features or sync

577
00:36:14,590 --> 00:36:18,310
placements, things like that. A lot of these records. We've been

578
00:36:18,630 --> 00:36:22,350
talking to a lot of people who are really trying to think them

579
00:36:22,350 --> 00:36:25,830
all these unreleased. So we've got a huge man,

580
00:36:25,910 --> 00:36:29,630
We've got a plan. It's hopefully finger. Hopefully

581
00:36:29,630 --> 00:36:30,390
it thinks.

582
00:36:33,350 --> 00:36:36,990
At this point. Right on, Doobie. Well, I

583
00:36:36,990 --> 00:36:40,830
appreciate your time, man. I got one more question for you before I let you

584
00:36:40,830 --> 00:36:44,270
go. I want to know if you have any advice to aspiring

585
00:36:44,270 --> 00:36:47,990
artists. The only advice that I'd have

586
00:36:47,990 --> 00:36:50,710
to any aspiring artist is to

587
00:36:51,910 --> 00:36:55,750
release as much music as you can. Keep putting content

588
00:36:55,830 --> 00:36:59,550
out there. Don't ever be like, ah, I'm gonna hold this back. No, just

589
00:36:59,550 --> 00:37:03,250
keep releasing it. Because the more you have out there, the easier it is

590
00:37:03,250 --> 00:37:06,730
for someone to be a fan. And I stand by that. Every time.

591
00:37:06,890 --> 00:37:10,450
You know, you never know what's going to stick. We're. We're all.

592
00:37:10,450 --> 00:37:13,850
There's no true algorithm. There's no true rules to this shit.

593
00:37:14,010 --> 00:37:17,650
You're literally throwing shit at a wall and hoping it sticks. That's the

594
00:37:17,650 --> 00:37:21,250
bottom line. So just keep putting that shit out. Don't worry about if it's good

595
00:37:21,250 --> 00:37:24,010
enough, because you never know, it'll be the song you least expect.

596
00:37:24,570 --> 00:37:25,610
Promise you that.

597
00:37:32,670 --> 00:37:34,030
Bringing it backwards.

598
00:37:37,790 --> 00:37:41,390
Bringing it backward Bringing it backwards,

599
00:37:41,550 --> 00:37:44,990
Bringing it backward, Bringing it backward

600
00:37:45,230 --> 00:37:46,910
Bring it backward.