BiB: Charm of Finches – Touring the World Before 18 and the DIY Artist Life

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Bring it backwards,

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Bring it backwards. Bringing it backwards.

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Bringing it backwards. Bringing it backwards.

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Bringing it backwards. What is going on? It

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is Adam welcome back to Bringing It Backwards, a podcast where both legendary

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and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how they

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achieve stardom. On this episode we had the

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opportunity to hang out with Ivy and Mabel of

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the band Charm of Finches over Zoom Video.

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Ivy and Mabel are sister is born in the inner city of

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Melbourne in Australia and talk about how they got into music.

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Their mom was actually very musical, a choir chorus

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teacher and she was in a band in the 90s where apparently

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she used to sing standing on her head in kind of like an electronic

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duo which I thought was a cool story. They both started music

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at a very early age. Mabel is two years older than

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Ivy and she started writing songs at 12 years old

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and their dad ran a veggie shop so they would

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busk in front of the veggie shop. Starting when

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Ivy was 8 years old they talked about putting out and recording

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their very first episode. We actually dive into all of the

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albums. The album they released in 2021,

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Wonderful Oblivion was all recorded and done during

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COVID so they were file sharing back and forth with their

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producer in Canada and ended up having the opportunity to go to

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Canada to record this new album that

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we talked a lot about as well. Talked about the story behind the

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title which is a wild fairy

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tale that they were told as a seven year olds.

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But they dive into the new album and the huge tour they have coming up.

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Four month tour through the UK and Sweden and then

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through Canada as well. You can watch our interview with

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Ivy and Mabel on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at bringing it

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Charm of Finches.

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Awesome. I appreciate you doing this. No worries. Thanks for

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having us. Of course. What time is it there?

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It's 12am oh my goodness. Thank you

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for being willing to either stay up

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or wake up. Yeah.

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Oh my. Okay. Well, forgive

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us if we. You know.

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You guys look great.

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Awesome. Well, my name's Adam, and this is

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about the two. You and your. Your journey in music. And

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we'll talk about the new album as well. Great.

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Cool. Is it. Is it out? It was. Oh, sorry. I'm

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Ivy and this is my room, just by the way. Cool. Cool.

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Is the album out? It was supposed to. It. It's

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Friday. Okay. Friday. I was wondering.

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I saw April. I thought it was last Friday when I was confused, but

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I had. I had it in advance, so I just wanted to make sure that

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I wasn't. Totally. Yeah.

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Amazing. Well, first off, obviously sisters. Who's.

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Who's the elder sister? Me.

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By how many years? There's a couple or two and a bit. Two and

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a half. Two and a half years, I think. Yeah. Okay. Well,

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do you both come from a musical family at all?

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And where we. You grew up? In Australia. What part of Australia?

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We are in Melbourne. We grew up in the inner city

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of Melbourne. Yeah. And to answer your question about

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our parents, whether they're musical, we. Our

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mum was a choir leader when we were little. She also

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was in bands in the 90s. No way.

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Yeah. She was in an

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electronic duo. Yeah. Where she would stand on her head

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and sing and the

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other person had a laptop on stage. It was like when people were first

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putting laptops on stage. And it was weird. Sure.

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I remember those days. I'm old.

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I. I think. What was your mom's duo called?

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Oh, it was called Fimo. Yeah. I don't think it's on the Internet. No.

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That's cool. Did you used to go. Or were you all too young?

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Mabel. Holding Mabel while she recorded.

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Are you serious? That's amazing. But you'd stand

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on her head. Have you seen videos of that? Yeah, actually, where

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she has the blue. There would be photos. She was. She was

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a lot. That's so cool. And I'm sure super

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supportive of what you both are doing. Oh, yeah, yeah.

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She's been great. Yeah. And dad. Dad's not a

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music or. No, he's just a music lover and

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was. Is obsessed with Bob Dylan. And so that is

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a lot of what we listen to as kids. Okay. Is that where you

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got kind of the folky vibe from or

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aside from. Yeah, we did listen to lots of

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folk music. Yeah. The oh, Brother, Where Art

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Thou soundtrack. Yeah, you know that one. Harmonies.

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Yeah, we were big into that.

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But, yeah, Bob Dylan for sure as well. We. Well,

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as kids, we thought that his voice was a bit scratchy.

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Yeah. A lot of people did but when you can write that good

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of songs, who cares?

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One song of his that we did just love was Mr.

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Tambourine Man. Okay. His voice was

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scratchy as thousands. We love

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that one. We would see to it. So, Mabel, you're

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older. Did you start. I mean, did you both start music at the same time?

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Or were you doing something and then Ivy, you

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were, like, intrigued or wanted to, you know, follow your big

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sister or. How did that work? Yeah, well, I wrote

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my first song when I was 12.

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Yeah. And taught myself guitar. And then

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Ivy jumped on the harmonies, and I

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guess we just kept writing songs. And we used to. We used to

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busk a lot when we were. When we were. We started busking when we

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were 8 and 11. No way. Oh, my gosh.

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Your mom was just like, yeah, go ahead, go out. And you guys would go

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out and play. Did you make some money? Yeah, well, we had the

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cute factor then. That

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doesn't work anymore. Yeah, but our

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dad worked at this veggie shop, and we

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had another friend singing with us, and we would sing three part

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harmonies outside this veggie shop. Yeah. Yeah. No

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way. That's so cool. Throw their loose change in every time they

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come out. What

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instrument did you both start on? Or did you start on different ones? It sound.

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Maybe sounds like you learned guitar yourself. But prior to that, were you.

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Did you play anything? And I'm sure mom put you all

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in or taught you how to sing early on or put you in her class

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or. Well, we actually went to Steiner school, which is like.

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I don't know if you've heard of Steiner school. You might call it Waldorf

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there. It's like an alternative

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stream. Okay. And some favorite artists went to

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Steiner school, like Sophie on Stevens. He's one of our. Oh, really?

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Yeah. Actually diner school. Dylan and Newsom as well. That's

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true. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, it's a stream where music's

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like a big part of it. And so you sing every day in class.

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And then when you're. I think when you're nine years old, you pick up

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a stringed instrument like violin, viola, or cello.

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And so I picked up cello when I was nine and I

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picked up violin. Wow. So they were our first

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instruments. That's cool. Those are such beautiful instruments. I love the

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sounds of Violet strings. I think that's cool. They're very frustrating

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to learn at the. Very beginning, I would imagine. And I bet your parents were

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so happy when they could hear you going.

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Early on. I. I would have thought they would have learned

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by Mabel's Terrible. Terrible playing at the

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start. Okay. Because she started before you.

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Yeah, yeah. You got to push through that stage. Yeah. You know. Right?

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That's funny. Listen, then busking that early on, you

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said 11 and 8ish. And then

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you wrote your first song, Mabel at 12. And is that. Have

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you both just been playing together since, you know, that early

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on and. Or did you, you know, play in different bands

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and kind of come back together, or has it always just been the two of

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you performing together? It's pretty much always

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been us. Yeah. We made

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a little EP when we were. How old are we?

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12 and 14. And that was, like, where it started, and

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we were just gonna do it for our friends and just

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burn a couple for our friends, but then we. We ended up just

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making a crowdfunding campaign and.

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Yeah. Printing them professionally and.

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Wow. Now we're just releasing our fourth

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album, so. Yeah. And it's. It's just the same.

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I mean, that. Basically the same thing. Just

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the band essentially started then when that EP came out. Yeah.

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Yeah. Wow. With the name then. Yeah.

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Yeah. That's crazy. That's. That's so cool. I mean, to be that young

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and really start off and put it. Put a. Put

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an EP out. That must have been exciting. Yeah,

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yeah, yeah. And then we. We started doing gigs. We,

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like, Mum helped us apply for folk festivals around

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Australia. We started playing those, and

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we were like, you know, the youngest band on the lineup.

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Oh, my gosh. Was that. That probably was intriguing to people,

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too. They're like, who are these two young girls performing? Like, let's go

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check them out. And the fact that you were good, just. I'm sure

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it was even, you know, it wasn't just, like, this joke. It was like, oh,

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my gosh. They're actually really, really talented.

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It was a good childhood, that's for sure. Yeah. And you.

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I mean, obviously you two are close. Is that like being sisters? I

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mean, I've two sons that are, like, fighting all the

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time. Like, was that something hard to navigate, or have you

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always been, like, really, you know, best friends

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are really close. Well, we do live together

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as well, and we definitely don't go

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without arguments.

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Sailing. No, you caught us at a good time.

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Oh. Even at this late,

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you're like, well, we're delirious. So we're not gonna fire it.

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No. But, yeah, we've just. We. Yeah.

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We live together our whole lives, and it

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works. That's special. That's really. There is a fight

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then, you know, after half an hour, it's all fine. Yeah,

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Right. You have that unconditional

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love. Does that work out? I mean,

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I would imagine, like, if you were in a band setting with people that you

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weren't that close with, some people could be kind of timid about,

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you know, voicing their opinion or their feelings on songs or that

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could cause fights and break bands up. Like, just because you are so

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close, can Ivy. Can you say, like, oh, that sucks, or whatever?

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Massive vice versa, like, that we're not doing that. And then, like, feelings

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probably don't get hurt as much. Or if they do, it's like, who cares? We're

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back. You know, we're sisters.

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Yeah. We shot. Yeah. We definitely

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do shut each other down a lot of the time, but I think that it's.

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That's a good thing. No. 100. Yeah. Honesty

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to get to the good songs, you know, sometimes you just

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need someone to be like, nah, you can do better than that. Right,

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Right. And you're not gonna have, like, resentment. It's like, okay, yeah, I guess

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you're right. You know, instead of move forward, instead of being like, oh, I can't.

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You know, she always shuts down my great ideas, and we're

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gonna. I'm gonna start something different. Yeah. I mean,

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yeah, I think we're pretty good with that. And then even if I don't

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agree with you, I'll just be like, I'm just gonna push forward with this,

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and then she'll eventually come around. That's

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pretty good. And this is vice versa as well. It's not just

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me. The. When you

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write, I mean, living together, being with each other a lot. Is it. Are

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you. I mean, it must be easy to kind of be like, oh, let's write

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something, or are you constantly kind of together? And you must

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have a lot of songs, I would imagine, going into

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each album. Yeah. Yeah. We kind of have

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different stages. Like, we have writing stages,

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but also. Yeah, living together is super convenient

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for, like, if you have an idea late at night or something and just

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be like, hey, let's do songwriting.

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Yeah, I want to finish this idea. But we.

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For the last album, we kind of had a week

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away. We sort of set a week aside to go somewhere

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nice and do lots of writing together.

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Wow. Where did you all go? We went to the

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Mornington Peninsula here in Victoria. Here in Victoria.

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Yeah. Okay. And, yeah,

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it's a beautiful place and pretty inspiring.

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Some lovely people let us stay at their huge property

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with lots of trees, and, yeah, it was nice and

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relaxing, and we. Was it the

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summertime or, like, I mean, obviously the album

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title is off. That's a tree, right?

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It's a tree in the snow. Or am I just totally dumb? Oh, it's.

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It's a name of a person. Oh, it is. Because I was trying to

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research what it was, and they're. They. They called Juniper trees.

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Yeah. So. Yeah. Do you want the story? Yeah, I

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would love the story. So the album title

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is Marlinchen in the Snow. And

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Marlinchen is a girl. Her name's Marlinchen. And

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I feel like you're better at telling this story. Do you want to keep. Okay.

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So it's. It's like. It's from a Grimm's fairy tale called

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the Juniper Tree, which is probably where. You got that from. Okay. And

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it is about this little girl called Marlinchen, and she.

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It's quite a grim story, by the. Way, like, most fairy

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tales are, right? It's like, how are these children's

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stories? We were both told

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this story when we were like, seven or something.

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Anyway, so Ma Lynchin, she

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discovers that her mother has killed

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her stepbrother. And then he

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gathers his bones and puts the bones under this juniper

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tree. And then out from the juniper

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tree comes this bird, and the

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bird has the voice of the brother, and he tells

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the story about his death and what happened and the truth of it all.

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And anyway, this story, yeah, it

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sort of was one of those ones which kind of stayed in our

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heads. No way. Yeah. Like, traumatized, you

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know, like, is mom gonna kill.

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So heavy. Yeah. But we were recording

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this album in Nova Scotia, Canada, with

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our producer, Daniel Ledwell, and it

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was the middle of winter, lots of snow, which is very,

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like, surreal and weird for us in Australia.

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So we haven't. Yeah, we don't see that much snow.

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We've never seen that much snow before. We'd never seen a frozen lake

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before. We had this huge frozen lake at our doorstep,

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lots of, like, the woods. And we were like, oh, this is.

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Like a fairy tale. And then we were

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sort of reminded of this fairy tale and started writing this song in the

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studio. Okay. So. But this trip that you

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took, you know, kind of like to get away, you already had those songs and

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then you went to record in. In Canada. So it wasn't like the fairy tale

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was the storyline that kind of started the. The

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album. It's almost that came when you were recording the album.

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So all, like, majority of the songs were all

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written before we went to Canada, except for this one song, My

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Lunch and In the Snow, which is the title track of the album.

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And we wrote that when we're in the studio.

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Okay, yeah. Well, just going back a little bit to that

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first ep, was that something that you just found somebody

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locally to record it or, like. And then how do you kind of

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get, like, did you have, like, a moment

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or was. Did you have some sort of, like, mentor or somebody kind of championing

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you both as. As artists to be like, whoa, you know, the.

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This. These girls really have something going on. Like, I want

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to kind of help get them to the next level.

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Yeah, we've had lots of amazing mentors along the way.

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The. Yeah, when we made that first ep, there was

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this guy. He was a harp player. He was a friend of our mum's friend.

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He saw us play. Michael Johnson was his

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name. And he was like, I want to record you.

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Come to my studio. And we went to his studio and then

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his gear broke on the first day. Oh, my gosh.

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And. But he was like, don't worry, I've got this friend

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and he'll record you. And so he was like the producer and his

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friend was the engineer. And we went

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into the studio and I think it was like. Was it two days?

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No, it's just the one one day. We recorded six songs.

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Yeah. Which was, yeah, an intense

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experience, I think. But, kids,

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was it. I mean, to be that young and like, obviously, was the. It. The

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album or EP must have been received pretty well to then, because you

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end up getting signed on the next album. Right? Or on your first album.

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No, the next one was another. Oh, what

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was that? Was that 2016? Yeah,

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yeah, yeah. So, yeah, again, another sort

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of. I was, okay, so Staring at the starting ceiling. That was

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just like another one that you all like. But

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did you work with the same person and kind of have. Or was it, like,

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totally new? Like, oh, let's just go to some new people and. And

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see what we can do. We have these songs together. Yeah. We

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worked with a guy called Nick Huggins on the next two records,

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so Staring at the Starry Stealing and your company.

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And he was someone, like, who did some amazing

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records that we loved of some people here in Melbourne.

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And we just loved the sound of all the records he did.

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So we went and met him. He lives in Point Lonsdale, which is on the

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beach, and he has a little studio at the back.

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And he was amazing. He was so encouraging

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and, yeah, just so great to work with. Made

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us feel, you know, like we could.

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Comfy. Yeah, we could really create something special

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and explore creatively and be supported.

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So, yeah, I think we really Lucked out with working with

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Nick. Yeah. And then after that

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was. Wonderful. Oblivion.

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It was made during lockdown. So we were here. Oh, wow.

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Yeah, we were here in Melbourne in.

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And we recorded in our house. We

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set up a. A vocal booth with, like, big blankets and

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vocal mic stands put up as high as they could go and

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sort of like a little cubby house made out of those. That was.

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Wow. Yeah. And then we worked with Daniel

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Ledwell. Who is a new album.

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Yeah. But he was in Canada, so we would send

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files back and forth and we'd wake up in

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the morning to a new mix in our inbox. That's

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cool. So you record. Did you both record? Like, you almost

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engineered the whole album, that album, because you're at home.

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Yeah. So we did all the vocals and all the

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guitar and the strings for that one. And

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Dan did some instruments on his end as well. So

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what was that like? I mean, obviously, what's still so bizarre to me is

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that the whole world was locked down. Right. I mean, you're in Australia, all the

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way across the whole world and you were sitting in your house

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just like I was in, you know, California or whatever.

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Like, that just still blows my mind that this old

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shut the whole world down. And like, I mean, being

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that in that situation, were you all playing a lot of shows or, like, how

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did that directly affect you? Were you going to do a tour? I know you

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have a tour coming up and, like,

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I mean, where were you at when that all really started? And

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was that the reason why you kind of had time to do this, that or

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that album? Well, we went to a conference in

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early 2020, actually, so just before

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everything locked down. And we

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met Dan at this conference, it's called Folk alliance

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in. It was in New Orleans. And,

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yeah, we met Dan there. And.

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Yeah, then we were meant to go on a UK tour that year.

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Obviously didn't end up doing that. So

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we just thought, what are we gonna do with ourselves for

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this time and try and keep our

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music going? And. Yeah, just decided to contact

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Dan and try and get some music

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together with him. Yeah. That must have been such a different

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process. Obviously, you have to figure out how to record yourselves. Have you ever done

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that before? Recorded yourselves in that, like, to that level where it's

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like, listen, this will probably. This is going to make our album. Like,

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you know what I mean? We haven't.

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We've done lots of recording before that. But not sort

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of engineering it ourselves. Yeah,

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yeah. Not stuff that we would then put on the Internet. Yeah.

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Yeah, we Recorded strings for ourselves for

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the last albums, but I guess that's kind of just underneath.

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So this was the first time we were like, recording vocals

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and basically, like, you know, being the

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producer in the session for each other and going, okay,

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that was a good take. Do another one or whatever.

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Which was hard, actually. We worked each other way too hard

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and made each other brutal.

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Yeah. Yeah. We kind of realized afterwards when we

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recorded with Dan in person, he was like, okay, I only

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record three vocal takes. Yeah. And that's enough.

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And then listen to those, and then if you need more, we can do more.

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And then. And we were like, oh, what? We, like, did, like,

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50 when we recorded it ourselves. But

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yeah, three was. Yeah. He was so right. He was very

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right. Yeah, I. I've heard that. I heard that a lot. Especially during,

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like, Covet and people recording at home, where it's like, you would do these

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takes and. Because you were really kind of in the moment right when you're singing

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those songs. And then, you know, somebody would say, oh, I recorded this

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in my closet with some blankets and a 50 USB

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mic from Amazon. And then you go

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to this expensive studio and these expensive mics

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and that just kind of re.

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Redoing that emotion and kind of, like, trying to, you know, recreate

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it was just the. The magic wasn't there. Like, did you

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try to. And I. That makes sense kind of with those first three takes. Like,

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the first three takes are probably. You're okay, this is what I want to

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do. This is how I'm going to do it. And then you probably start kind

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of falling into, like, more of, like, a rhythm of how you're

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almost redoing your same vocal takes. I

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would imagine once you get to, like, 47 or.

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What we. What we used to do was demo

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our songs before going into the studio,

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which we kind of found. We What? Our. What? Nick Huggins,

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our last producer, used to say demoitis. We get

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demoitis, which is like, when you love the

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demo so much and you're just spending all this time trying to recreate it.

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Yeah. And so for this album we've just

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made, we didn't really do much

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demoing because we didn't want to, you

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know, capture the beautiful moment and then go, oh, wait, this is

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not the real thing. Yeah. Yeah. And so with this

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new album, there wasn't a whole lot of demoing done. No. Yeah.

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It was just mostly rough recordings and stuff for

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demos. Yeah, yeah. It was just.

466
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And when. So you decided on. Okay, we're on it. We're gonna

467
00:29:42,090 --> 00:29:45,250
do you have, like. When it comes to having songs and then I love the

468
00:29:45,250 --> 00:29:48,970
fact you do albums, which is kind of a lost art, I feel like. Right.

469
00:29:49,050 --> 00:29:52,249
A lot of people are just doing a song and then two months later a

470
00:29:52,249 --> 00:29:55,890
song, and three months later a song and. All right, it's time for the

471
00:29:55,890 --> 00:29:59,290
ep. I'll. We'll put two on it now. And now we have five or whatever

472
00:29:59,290 --> 00:30:03,050
it may be. When you guys were writing, do you.

473
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,520
Right. Knowing you want to put a full album out, or is it not a

474
00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:10,240
thought? Is it just. Okay, now we have all these songs. Do they kind of.

475
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,320
Are they linear in a way where it makes sense to make an album?

476
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:16,480
Yeah, well, this one was.

477
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,680
A lot of the songs came out of a time

478
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:26,400
in 2022 when we went on a very long

479
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:30,360
tour, UK tour. We spent four months

480
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:33,550
in the UK and Europe. Wow. Yeah.

481
00:30:33,870 --> 00:30:37,070
Shows and. Yeah, it was a long time

482
00:30:37,390 --> 00:30:40,830
and we loved it. We had a great time and it was

483
00:30:40,830 --> 00:30:44,550
incredible, you know, going to all these different places each night

484
00:30:44,550 --> 00:30:48,149
and discovering, you know, meeting heaps of new people and

485
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:51,830
then saying bye and meeting another bunch of

486
00:30:51,830 --> 00:30:55,590
new people the next day and. Yeah, we loved it,

487
00:30:55,590 --> 00:30:59,350
but we also missed home a lot and. Yeah.

488
00:30:59,350 --> 00:31:02,200
So I think a lot of the songs on this new album are

489
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,840
linked in that way. Yeah, just a lot

490
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:11,320
about travel and missing people and then also

491
00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:15,640
wonder and awe of where we are in the world.

492
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,040
That's very cool. So then you decide, okay, let's go to this.

493
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:24,640
Did. So did you have songs and then decided to take this trip or was

494
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:28,050
it let's take this trip? Because start fresh here

495
00:31:28,210 --> 00:31:31,850
and. And be inspired and kind of take those feelings from

496
00:31:31,850 --> 00:31:35,090
that tour and. And put together this album

497
00:31:35,570 --> 00:31:39,250
sort of. Came out after that, too, or during that

498
00:31:39,250 --> 00:31:43,050
tour. Yeah, yeah. I think while we're on tour, we

499
00:31:43,050 --> 00:31:46,890
weren't. We didn't really have plans to make the album. I don't think it was.

500
00:31:46,890 --> 00:31:50,530
It was afterwards that we sort of went, okay, let's make a new album.

501
00:31:51,090 --> 00:31:54,790
We have these songs that. That seemed

502
00:31:54,790 --> 00:31:58,630
to. To go in an album. But then

503
00:31:58,630 --> 00:32:01,870
we also went on a UK tour before we went to Canada,

504
00:32:02,670 --> 00:32:06,230
which I think we wrote a few songs on that little trip as well. Yeah,

505
00:32:06,230 --> 00:32:09,950
Just before we recorded. Yeah. Yeah. And the album before

506
00:32:10,430 --> 00:32:14,110
was the one you guys won, like a best folk album, Right. Didn't you win

507
00:32:14,110 --> 00:32:16,830
some huge awards for that album? Yeah,

508
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,200
Best Folk Album in the Australian Folk Music Awards,

509
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:26,040
I think. Yeah. Wow. That must have been such a huge moment. Was

510
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,680
that, like, even being nominated? I bet you were like, oh my gosh.

511
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,000
Like, we got this. It's really nice to be recognized

512
00:32:34,119 --> 00:32:37,240
in your own country for. Right.

513
00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,920
Work that we try and do. Yeah,

514
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:45,240
yeah, totally. Very, very cool. So this album

515
00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,320
is kind of written about, you know, the

516
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,480
missing people and the experiences you had on this tour and

517
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,240
then you get to Canada and kind of see this landscape and is

518
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:59,520
that what sparked the remembering this.

519
00:32:59,919 --> 00:33:03,680
This kind of fairy tale that you were told as kids and

520
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:07,760
decided to write that song on it? Yeah, yeah.

521
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:11,200
I think Story also is kind of about like

522
00:33:11,860 --> 00:33:15,540
female strength as well and like following intuition and

523
00:33:16,580 --> 00:33:20,220
overcoming obstacles, being led by like your

524
00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:23,900
inner voice, which is like another sort of thing

525
00:33:23,900 --> 00:33:26,980
that comes into lots of the other songs and we felt like

526
00:33:27,540 --> 00:33:31,140
that was a nice way to sort of link them as well.

527
00:33:31,780 --> 00:33:35,500
Yeah, very cool. And then you have a big tour coming up, right, to support

528
00:33:35,500 --> 00:33:38,960
the. The new album? Yeah, we've got

529
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:43,000
our tour in Australia this month and then heading

530
00:33:43,000 --> 00:33:46,600
over to the UK and Sweden as

531
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,280
well, and then also Canada.

532
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,080
So we're going for four months again.

533
00:33:56,240 --> 00:34:00,000
We did say we wouldn't go on a four month tour again,

534
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:02,320
but we're doing it again. So here we are.

535
00:34:04,870 --> 00:34:08,390
More adventures to come. More songs as well. Yeah, yeah,

536
00:34:08,390 --> 00:34:10,550
yeah. Have you ever played here in the States.

537
00:34:13,750 --> 00:34:15,670
And then. Yeah, just Canada.

538
00:34:18,630 --> 00:34:21,910
Yeah, yeah. I heard it's kind of a nightmare to get like visas in here.

539
00:34:22,390 --> 00:34:26,070
Oh, yeah. We do have a booking agent in the US

540
00:34:26,150 --> 00:34:29,950
so hopefully sometime soon. Very,

541
00:34:29,950 --> 00:34:33,110
very cool. Well, I appreciate you both staying up late and,

542
00:34:33,750 --> 00:34:37,270
and doing this, of course. Thanks for having us.

543
00:34:37,270 --> 00:34:40,950
Yes, of course. I do have. Well, I have one quick

544
00:34:40,950 --> 00:34:44,670
question on the touring, like, at what age did you start, I mean,

545
00:34:44,670 --> 00:34:48,230
putting an album out when you were that young? At what point do you.

546
00:34:48,470 --> 00:34:52,150
In busking, I mean, you had all the live experience and at what

547
00:34:52,150 --> 00:34:55,230
point do you start to tour? Was it on when you put your first album

548
00:34:55,230 --> 00:34:59,020
out? Was it on that EP or. I mean, at what age are you

549
00:34:59,500 --> 00:35:03,260
traveling and playing shows and is mom coming with you

550
00:35:03,340 --> 00:35:05,900
or like, how does that work at that? Young.

551
00:35:06,700 --> 00:35:09,940
Yeah, well, we did play. We did start playing

552
00:35:09,940 --> 00:35:13,499
gigs when I was 11, I think, and you were 14.

553
00:35:13,980 --> 00:35:17,820
And that was where we started doing festivals around

554
00:35:17,820 --> 00:35:21,540
Australia. It was definitely a big, like family thing. We'd

555
00:35:21,540 --> 00:35:25,220
go to the festival together. Yeah. Which was a fun way

556
00:35:25,220 --> 00:35:28,500
to spend. Yeah. And then when we started releasing

557
00:35:28,740 --> 00:35:32,500
albums, we would do, you know, a Sydney show, a Melbourne

558
00:35:32,500 --> 00:35:36,020
show, a Castle main show, which is like

559
00:35:36,100 --> 00:35:39,900
a regional area state that we live in and, you

560
00:35:39,900 --> 00:35:41,940
know, just small regional areas.

561
00:35:42,900 --> 00:35:45,620
Australia's massive. So.

562
00:35:47,380 --> 00:35:51,220
It'S interesting when you see tour dates for bands, it's. There's not a whole

563
00:35:51,220 --> 00:35:54,620
lot of shows on it and it's like. Because you have to fly right? To

564
00:35:54,620 --> 00:35:58,300
pretty much every city unless you're driving like a ton of hours.

565
00:35:58,780 --> 00:36:01,660
We're about to do a tour where we have like

566
00:36:02,620 --> 00:36:06,380
seven hour drives stuff. Yeah. Like an hour

567
00:36:06,380 --> 00:36:09,180
drive. We've decided to drive rather than fly,

568
00:36:09,980 --> 00:36:13,420
but. Yeah. Wow. Yeah.

569
00:36:13,900 --> 00:36:16,380
Oh my gosh. Yeah. That's crazy. Well,

570
00:36:17,820 --> 00:36:20,860
I, I had a chance to hear the album. It's amazing. And

571
00:36:22,140 --> 00:36:25,260
I have one more question for you all before I let you go to sleep.

572
00:36:25,500 --> 00:36:28,460
I want to know if you have any advice for aspiring artists.

573
00:36:29,660 --> 00:36:33,180
Totally. I reckon. Keep

574
00:36:33,500 --> 00:36:37,260
playing and practicing your instrument. Just keep

575
00:36:37,260 --> 00:36:40,740
practicing your craft. Yeah. Really hone in on your

576
00:36:40,740 --> 00:36:44,460
craft and yeah, I think that

577
00:36:45,180 --> 00:36:48,780
if you, yeah. If you put the effort in and you also

578
00:36:48,860 --> 00:36:52,330
like putting your honest

579
00:36:52,970 --> 00:36:56,650
self and you're pouring your heart into the music that you're making,

580
00:36:57,370 --> 00:37:01,210
that's going to come across to audiences and speak to them. So

581
00:37:01,690 --> 00:37:05,530
I think that's for us, I think music's always been about

582
00:37:06,010 --> 00:37:09,730
kind of express expressing honest emotions and so that's kind

583
00:37:09,730 --> 00:37:12,810
of our goal when we write and

584
00:37:13,450 --> 00:37:17,260
I think that connects with people. So I guess

585
00:37:17,260 --> 00:37:20,380
that would be my advice. Yeah. You have anything ivy to add?

586
00:37:21,420 --> 00:37:25,100
Oh, I mean that sort of sums it up, I think.

587
00:37:25,180 --> 00:37:25,580
But.

588
00:37:28,780 --> 00:37:31,899
I love the, the do it yourself approach.

589
00:37:33,420 --> 00:37:35,820
We, you know, we.

590
00:37:37,580 --> 00:37:41,020
Try and learn as much as we can on, you know, music

591
00:37:41,020 --> 00:37:44,690
videos and everything that is involved in being a

592
00:37:44,690 --> 00:37:48,250
musician and putting your music out there. And

593
00:37:48,490 --> 00:37:51,530
you know, we have learned how to

594
00:37:52,170 --> 00:37:56,010
put it out there ourselves and I've learned how to edit music

595
00:37:56,010 --> 00:37:59,770
videos and the more you can do yourself, the better it is

596
00:37:59,770 --> 00:38:03,450
for you. You can just, you know, you can be self. Yeah, yeah,

597
00:38:03,850 --> 00:38:06,250
yeah, yeah. So just learn as much.

598
00:38:15,900 --> 00:38:17,260
Bring it backwards,

599
00:38:21,020 --> 00:38:24,620
Bringing it backward, bringing it backward,

600
00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:28,300
bringing it backward, bringing it backward,

601
00:38:28,460 --> 00:38:30,140
bring it backward.