BiB: Avery Lynch – Why Every Aspiring Artist Needs to Hear Her Story

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What is going on? It is Adam. Welcome back to Bringing It Backwards, a

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podcast where both legendary and rising artists tell their own

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personal stories of how they achieved stardom.

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On this episode, we had a chance to hang out with Avery lynch

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over Zoom Video. Avery was born and raised

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in Pennsylvania and talks about how she got into music.

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At age 5, Avery had a little keyboard and.

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And she was able to hear songs and kind of mimic them

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on this little keyboard. Her parents ended up getting her

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a bigger keyboard and putting her in some lessons. It didn't take

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long for her parents to see that Avery was really, really gifted. And

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she went to school one day, came back home, and was playing a Rihanna

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song on the keyboard just by ear. Avery did piano lessons

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all the way until she left for college. Attended college at Berkeley School of

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Music. She talked about writing her first songs, having a

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big moment on TikTok, or a bunch of big moments

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on TikTok, really. But she dives into one of the times where

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her video went viral and the first viral video she had and what that

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was like, you know, refreshing the page all the time and

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seeing how many followers is going up and views.

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It was really exciting to hear her talk about that. But Avery

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talks about the success of her first releases, the idea behind

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releasing as Written, the very first as Written,

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she recently released as Written Volume two.

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So Avery discusses the song she chose for as Written Volume

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two. We talk about the three songs she added

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to the album, the three unreleased ones. You can

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Wherever you listen to podcasts, we're Bringing. It Backwards with

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Avery Lynch.

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Bringing it backwards.

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Bringing it backwards. Bringing it backwards.

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Bringing it back.

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Hello. Hi, Avery. How are you? Good. How are you?

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I am fantastic. Thank you so much for doing this.

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Oh, my gosh, of course. Thank you so much for having me. Of course.

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I'm Adam and this is all about you and your journey

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in music. And obviously we'll talk about the album you just

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put out. Yeah. So

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I just released as Written Volume two.

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It is my second volume of

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my as Written projects.

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It is a personal favorite project to do

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as well as a like a Fan favorite

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it. When I first released my like original Azer

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project, I didn't know that. That it would like bring so

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many new people into my sphere and that it would

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mean so much to so many people and that they actually wanted it. I

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originally started doing it because at the time

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all of the songs were first introduced on TikTok as

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just me singing and playing them.

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So they only knew them in that way. And when I. Yeah, so when you

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release them and it's a different ver, obviously it sounds completely different. Yeah,

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quite different. Yeah. So I wanted to give them

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the versions that they originally like fell in love with.

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And so that was the whole like idea of that as written.

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Because also everybody knows that I would post the song

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immediately after I wrote it. I would write it and then in that

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same breath, not even getting up from the piano, would take a video

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and post it. And that's just what I did like basically

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every day of summer 2020. Wow. And

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so it was very much as written. I just played

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exactly how it is. And

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so then after I released my first cp, I was like, let's give them all

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these versions and throw on a few new ones so that

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there's like new music to look forward to. And

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one of the songs, one of the new

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songs that were was on that project called All I Need. The

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Distance Song ended up now being

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my top stream song, which is cool. It's not like

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it doesn't have the most streams, but it gets the most streams daily and it

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has for years. That's great. It will be. It

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will definitely be, but I was just not

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expecting that at all. And so this

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was kind of my follow up for it. I've released I

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think three eps in between.

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I did the one at ep, the Kids Table EP and the

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Friction Collection. So I was like, it's time.

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So now I'm just going to take like the tracks from each of

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those projects and then like a personal favorite,

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redo those and then

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exactly how I, you know, played them on TikTok over the years

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and then give them three new ones.

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The. Yeah, yeah, the last three on the out on the record are. Yeah,

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the newer. The three new ones, right? Yes, correct. So

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it's very fun. It's a very like low, low

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stakes, low pressure

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project which is really nice to

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have take a breath.

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It's just me and my. And my boyfriend Jordan who do the

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as ridden and so it's literally just us in our, in

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our house for like a year making a project and

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then I get to then all the pressure

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comes next with all the brand new music and the new everything,

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so. Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think it's really awesome.

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I love that you did that. You know, even with the first one, you know,

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kind of going back to what really started to what build you a

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fan base, right? Was TikTok in the beginning and then kind

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of giving that back to your fans and saying, hey, you know, I didn't forget

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about you. These. I know that you love these. Rid these versions that I did,

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you know, just on my camera, on my piano, let's,

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you know, release these to the, to the world or record them, you

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know. Thank you. Yeah, it's really fun. It's very fun. And people are

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starting to like write in their bios,

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like their name and then as written next to it, which is a very cool

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little thing because it's like the Taylor's version kind of idea.

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Yeah, yeah, no, totally. I love that. That's awesome. That's really,

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really awesome. So where, okay, you're

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born and raised in Wood. Philly. Is that what I saw? Or Pennsylvania. Oh, okay.

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Pennsylvania. Tell me about that.

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I am from a town called Doylestown,

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Pennsylvania. I love it there.

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I'm totally an east coast girl. It's

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pretty crazy actually, the amount of people who

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are from that area or just like kind of the greater Philadelphia

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area who are in my lane as

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well as like people who are now like going there.

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It's very interesting. Lots of like huge celebrities are like moving there, which is

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really strange. Like the Hadids live there

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and there's. It's actually been confirmed that Taylor Swift just bought a house

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there yesterday. Really kind of confused because

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it's a very small town, but

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I love it there. It's very. The. The town

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that I live in, I live in like the borough and it's all

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Victorian houses and it's very. If you know, Gilmore Girls,

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which. I'm obsessed with Gilmore Girls. It's. It's very

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Gilmore Girls esque. So I love, I love Victorian

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homes. They're so. Yes. It's so cool.

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So I grew up there, lived there forever, and then

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moved to Boston for school. I went to

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Berkeley for a second and transferred to a business

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school, a business school called Suffolk, which is

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like 15 minutes away, just by train in the city.

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It's right in the middle of the city and I got my business

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degree there, so. But I. Everyone at Berkeley thought I still went to

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Berkeley, which was great because I just got all benefits of Berkeley without paying

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for it any more than I already did for Like a

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year. Right, right. And then from there, I

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technically moved back home for a second, and then now I'm in la.

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Okay, you're in LA now. I wasn't sure if you're in New York, if you

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stayed on the East Coast. Awesome. So when.

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How do you get into music? Do you come from, like, a musical family,

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creative household, anything like that? Everyone is very

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creative. Nobody does music.

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Nobody at all, actually. And both of my parents are,

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like, businessy people. Okay. And. But

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I have two older sisters, and the three of us have all kind of

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indulged ourselves in different creative paths. So

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my oldest sister is a creative writer. My middle sister

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is a photographer and designer, and then I am the

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musician. So we all kind of share little things.

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Yeah. Do you utilize them on any of your, like, at

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least photography would be a big one. Yeah, yeah, yeah. My. My

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sister Reagan, she takes lots of photos for me. She comes to any,

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like, shows that are near her and she does all the pictures.

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She's also. She writes poetry. So we actually have

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a song that we wrote together that's going to be on a future thing.

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Yeah. Very cool. So they're. We're all

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very creative, but we don't exactly know

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why parents aren't. Everybody loves

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music. They're all huge music

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listeners and they all need to have music playing all

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day every day, but none of them have really even picked up

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an instrument. So I don't exactly. You started

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piano early though, right? Wasn't that with.

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With like a little toy piano? I think I was like five or six.

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Oh, wow. Okay. Yeah, very little.

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And I was playing songs that I, like, heard

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like, that I knew, and I was just like, playing the melody of

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them. Oh, my gosh. Like, oh, we should like, get you

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a bigger keyboard and like, sign you up for piano lessons. And

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then as soon as I got the bigger keyboard, I, like, came

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home from school and I heard at school,

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I think it was. What song was. It was a

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Rihanna song. It might have been

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Umbrella.

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And I came home and I played it on the piano, like in full.

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And my mom was like, honey, like,

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what is going on? You're eight years old and

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you don't really know how to play piano. Like, you're only in a group class.

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So then I was kind of like, escalated to just like

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private lessons. And I can't

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read music very well. I have this, like, fun little thing

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with my vision where my eyes block out

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some, like, letters and numbers and things when I read.

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So it kind of looks like something spilled white out On a page when I

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read. And so I have to kind of keep going back over and reading. Yeah,

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it's like, is that a form of dyslexia? Because I have a similar. It is,

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yeah. I know. It's not just that you just switch letters and

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numbers around. It's like, you could look at a word because

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I have the same thing. I'll look at a word and it just looks like

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jumbo. Like, I'm like, yeah, it looks. I don't even know how to start

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sounding it out. You know what I mean? Yes. They

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said, like, we're just going to call it, like, a form of dyslexia, because they

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did. They literally, like, scanned my brain to make sure.

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Have some kind of, like, tumor or something that was

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able to, like, read. So

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it's actually really funny that you say that, that you. Yeah, they called. They were

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like, we're just gonna call it, like, a form of dyslexia. Yeah,

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that's what you have. And. But because I have that,

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reading music is extremely hard because it's just, like,

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literal black dots on a page. How am I supposed to

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see that at all? So I just do everything by

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ear. And when I went to music school for a second, it was like, the

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hardest brain work I've ever done ever. Like,

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especially for Berkeley, because don't you have to, like, sight read and do

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all of it? All of it. And all of your, like, written exams are, like,

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writing out the notes. Composition. Yeah. Annotating

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everything. And it's like. It was. It was

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like, the hardest math I've ever done in my life.

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No, it really is, though. I mean, music has so much to do with math

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and numbers and patterns, and it's like, yeah, yeah, it's. Wow,

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crazy. So I just. I do everything by ear. And then now.

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Now it, like, it works out great because I don't have to take a test

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on it, so I don't need to look at. At the note. Right. Well,

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that's what's funny is, like, you when you said you went to Berkeley and then

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left after a year. No, nothing against Berkeley by any means.

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Obviously, it's an incredible school. But, like, I've had a lot of people on this

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podcast that have went there, and that'll. They'll either, like,

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they'll achieve kind of what they wanted to do, like, within the first year

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or two, and it's like, well, why am I gonna keep going? I just signed

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a record deal. Why do I need to stay honest?

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Honestly, it's just so expensive. I wanted to

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make the connections and meet people and get to, like, put myself

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in that space and then live beside that space

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was, like, kind of my goal. I knew that I would never be able to

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afford to actually graduate from that school, but it was the only school I wanted

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to go to, so I, like, went. And then a year in, I was like,

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okay, well, can't afford to pay, you know,

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$65,000 a year, so I'm just gonna

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head on over right down the street to this school.

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That's like an eighth of the price. But I'm gonna keep on living with

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Berkeley people. My key card still works in the Berkeley

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buildings, and nobody's gonna know. And I even, like. I told my professors

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about it because they wrote me, you know, like, the letters of

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recommendation to go to business school, and

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they were like, you know, you're hacking the Berkeley system. Like, we're not gonna

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tell anybody, but you're a genius. And I was like,

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I know. Yeah. They're like, you're getting all the perks and meeting all the

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people. All the perks of Berkeley. Yeah. Yeah.

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And just going to. And getting a degree, but else. Yeah,

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right. But elsewhere more so much less.

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It's actually crazy. So it was. It worked out great.

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It worked out. But do you. Would you said. Do you have,

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like, perfect pitch or you can just know. You can just kind of hear, like,

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when you go home, you like. You to play umbrella or whatever to come

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on. Like, I know this is the right note. Not

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maybe you have the right progression, but you're not in the right key. You

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know what I mean? Yeah, It's. It's probably not in the right key.

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I have relative pitch, so I

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get within, like, a note, like,

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on either side. So I really could,

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like, know for a fact that it's like, say it's A, but because

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I know I have relative, I should probably say it's B and I would get

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it right. Or it could be G. So, you know. Oh, I see what you're

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saying. Like one to, like, one and a half. Like, another half

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step away. I haven't tested it in a long

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time, but it's.

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It. It's all, like, kind of pointless when you're not, like,

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in music school. Like, nobody thinks it's cool. Like, there's no reason to use it,

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so. Right. And it's like, relative is the most

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pointless thing ever. Like, oh, I can get it really close. Right.

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But it's not the same. Yeah. So I just, like, play by ear.

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So, like, I know what the song sounds like. And I can play the song.

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It just might not be in the exact original key. Like it'll tuning or. Yeah,

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yeah. However it is. Yeah. Yeah. That's awesome, though.

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That's really awesome. So you obviously, your parents see that you have this gift

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with music, and then they. You said they got put in private lessons and kind

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of accelerated out of this group thing where you're probably

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just learning chopsticks or, you know, whatever. Yes. And then

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do you continue on with piano? Like, are you. Do you love it or

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does it become a point where you're like, you know, I don't know

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if I still enjoyed. I don't know. Maybe you can. Lessons, I

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think till I was like, 18, I did. Yeah, I did

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lessons all the way until I went to college. My vocal

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lessons stopped really being vocal lessons. Like, I

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never really had true vocal training. My

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lessons kind of were mainly around songwriting

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and structure and just kind of like making songs just in general,

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which I got way more out of, I think, than I would have.

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Like, obviously in my career. I got way more out of, yeah, 100,

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like, the. The vocal lesson part. But I definitely, like, I have a very

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small voice, and that's because I. I was never

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trained to be any more than that small voice.

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So that's kind of all I got. But I. It's

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actually really funny. My. The receptionist at my

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school, like, my singing music school,

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she. I write with her every other week. She's on, like, every single song of

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mine. Her name's Nisha Grace. She was the receptionist there. And at the

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time, like, when I was like, 17, like, like starting 16,

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she started working there. And my

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vocal teacher was kind of

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juggling a lot, so she wasn't super present

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in the. The lesson. So I would just kind of go and

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she would just like, be there, but, like, not actually part of it.

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So then Nisha would come into the room and it would just be us and

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we would. We would write. And then when I went to college, we

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would still write. And then I started

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posting my things on TikTok and one of them, like, blew

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up and I was like, I gotta release this and will you help me finish

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it? And she did. And then ever since then, so it's been like,

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probably like eight years of us writing and we have

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every other Monday. And that's where she's the only other

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writer I work. I've, like, written a song with, like,

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one or two other writers technically in my life.

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But, like, I don't really. I write everything by myself. Or with

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the people the closest to me. So Nisha Jordan, my. My

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boyfriend slash producer or my sister.

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It's very like. That's correct. That's cool, though. Yeah.

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Yeah. Wow. Okay. So you started writing songs together with

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her when you were still in high school then? Yeah. Okay.

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And do you end up putting out any of those songs or you just kind

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of just did them or did you. No, I just kind of did them. I

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just, like, had them. I was just

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kind of learning. I wrote songs, a lot of songs about basically nothing. Like, they

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were completely meaningless. I didn't. I was a kid, so, like, I didn't

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know how to. I didn't know anything yet. And

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it took a lot of time and practice and, like, life experience when I went

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to college to, like, oh, this is like,

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these are real relationships, and these are real, like, friendships, and this

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is real life. Like, wow, I'm on my own. I'm growing up, all this stuff.

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So I finally woke up from, like, being a kid, and then that's when my

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song started to, like, elevate so out of love with you.

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My first, like, it was actually

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my first song that I wrote. My first, like, real song that I wrote.

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I wrote it in college and while I was still at

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Berkeley, so my first year, and I didn't even end up

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releasing it until 2020, so that was

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2018 or 2019. Wow. Was that the song that blew

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up for you on Tick Tock as well? It did, yeah. That was the one

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that. It got like

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3.7 million views or something like that. And

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it was crazy. Like, Meghan Trainor followed me and I was like, oh, my God.

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Yeah, now, now. Our friends on Tik Tok. But a

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lot of, like, that. That was like, the video that

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got me, like, any kind of attention,

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really. And so then when I released that song,

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it did really well. And I was like, that's crazy because I wrote this

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so long ago, but sure. Like, I'll take it.

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But yeah. Well, tell me about that because, I mean, you had songs out before

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that one, obviously, and it's not like they didn't do anything. I mean. Oh, yeah,

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no, they did. They did. Yeah. Too is like, you know, millions of

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streams. Yeah, no, that. They all did great. I

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was shocked. I got really, really lucky, to be honest. I just got really lucky.

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Like, the songs are good for sure, but. Oh, they're really good. Like, I think

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my songs now are better, obviously, because I was 20 or

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21 then, so, like, obviously

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I think my songs are better at the. At this current time. But Tick tock

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is not what it. What it is anymore. So it used to be super

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helpful. And

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I was just kind of in everybody's faces for like a whole

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year. I was like, every single video

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got at like a minimum 300,000 views.

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That's so crazy. Crazy. I, like, didn't know what it was like, Like,

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I thought if a video got 20,000 likes, they didn't actually like

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that song. That's the way my brain worked. Because

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that's why. That's just because you keep seeing, obviously you don't

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as a creative person and you know, you. You get this song and it

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does well, and then the next one does well. It's like you're keep. You're gonna

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keep relay raising the bar. It's not like it's

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okay. Well, now every song that I does, anything, you know,

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I'm gonna be happy about, you know? Yeah, you're

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gonna try to be. Get 4 million, 5 million. You know what I mean?

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It's not just, oh, it's, you know, 20,000. It's 20, 000. That's a

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lot. But that's what you should look at it. But likes, I would be like,

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o. Would be like, oh, wow. Like, that video did

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great because it's so. It's so different. Tik Tok, like,

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was so nice to everybody for like a year or there

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was just. The algorithm was just actually more real. Right? It was more.

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More like if he gets on the for you page enough people care, then.

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Yeah, then it'll keep on going. And like, I just wish it would

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go back to that just for a second or just for some of us,

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like, because, like, I. I share the same

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feelings with all of my peers. Right. We're all just

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so tired and we miss it because we were like, we don't

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even reach our own followers anymore on that app. It's just. You don't on

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any of them probably. No, no, no. Absolutely not. Yeah, I had

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a band on one time. Like, even during the pandemic. Like, I.

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I don't want to throw them under the bus, but yeah, they had. They have

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a couple at the time. They probably have way more now, but they had like

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a couple hundred thousand followers on Instagram. And then they. The one guy was going

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off, he's like, yeah, then I get. We get like 1800 likes on

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something, and I know, you know, all 200,000

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people didn't just scroll past the thing. Yeah,

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yeah, but that's just everything. Everything got

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harder. Tick tock got harder. Instagram got harder.

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Your people just don't see you anymore and things don't convert anymore.

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It's really weird. It's a very weird space. I'm hoping that

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things. I'm hoping that that means that something's going

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to change soon, you know? Yeah, I mean, I

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don't. I just. I'm old and I've seen all of these

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platforms kind of come and go and they usually run in a

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cycle, you know, obviously of about 10 years and then it.

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So it's like when the, when the

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corporations start getting a hold of it and. Yeah. Promoting

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it on, like, you know, follow us on Tick Tock, like, you know,

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McDonald's or whatever, then, you know, it's over. Yeah,

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it's over. It's been. That's so the next thing now you just

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gotta wait and see what the next thing is gonna be and who knows what

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it is. Yeah. And I'm. I'm looking forward to it.

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But yeah, I mean, Tick Tock. That's what. It just happens like that, right?

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I mean, yeah, I saw with Instagram, I'm like, re. Face.

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I. When I remember on Facebook when I saw the first commercial and someone's like,

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follow us on Facebook. What? Yeah,

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yeah. No, because it, it's. It's just weird. It's super

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weird. It's super weird. But it is like,

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it being as tricky as it is is technically

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like weeding out some of the.

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The like oversaturation a little bit because,

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like, not everybody can just like

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keep on going. It's hard. Like, and I've

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seen a lot of my peers stop, be like, I'm not gonna do this anymore.

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I'm gonna go back to school. I'm gonna do what I was planning on

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doing before I went viral on tick tock 100.

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Because that's a lot of it, right? It's like the people that stick around

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are the ones that keep going regardless. Like, yeah. I've

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heard a lot of people say, like, you know, you. You could stop today and

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maybe tomorrow was the day that it was going to happen or whatever. Exactly.

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You never know. You never know. You really never know. And it's.

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It's so hard. But I know for a fact that I would always

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be doing it even if it wasn't my job. So I might

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as well just make it my job. Keep on going.

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Yeah. So. Okay, so you. Yeah, well, so once you get that, what

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was like having that first moment on Tick

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Tock was that with the out of Love song

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I love with. You, it's like actual moment was

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with. I would say it was with

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my first song. I Put yout first. And you did too. I posted

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like a little video with the song playing and it got like

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1.1 million views. And I was like, what the heck

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is going on? Like when that happens and this is your first

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thing to happen? Like that, like, what is that day?

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Like, like what is. Oh my God. I mean, is it just like a slot

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machine? Like you're just going back to it and like, yes. Refresh, refresh,

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refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh, refresh. And every time you refresh, it's going up 10,000

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views. And it's the craziest,

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craziest thing ever. I was with all my friends. We were sitting

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in one of my friends basements, all eating an ice cream

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cake just like out of the cake itself. And we

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were having so much fun. We were playing the song. Everybody was like dancing along

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to it. We kept refreshing it, being like, oh my God, look at it. Like

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we had honestly the most fun ever. It was a really fun night. And

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then I went home and then when I woke up in the morning, it was

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at a million views and I was like, this is crazy.

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I don't know what it's at now. I haven't gone back to check, but

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it. But it's pretty crazy, right? What a rush, right though? I mean,

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it was insane. Oh my God. Like, it was insane. It was actually

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10,000. What the hell? Yeah. And you got all these

455
00:28:28,990 --> 00:28:32,710
followers and you're like, am I famous now? Like,

456
00:28:33,030 --> 00:28:36,630
like +99 or whatever on the corner. Like every time you

457
00:28:36,630 --> 00:28:40,350
check it, every. Single time, like you, you leave it for a second and it

458
00:28:40,350 --> 00:28:43,390
just keeps on adding up and adding up and adding up and then it's 99

459
00:28:43,390 --> 00:28:46,810
plus every like three minutes. Just

460
00:28:47,370 --> 00:28:50,650
insane. It was so cool. Like, it was. It was such a fun

461
00:28:51,530 --> 00:28:55,330
thing to have. So it was

462
00:28:55,330 --> 00:28:59,050
really cool with those. I mean, once that starts happening, obviously, and

463
00:28:59,050 --> 00:29:02,090
then you, you. It wasn't a thing where

464
00:29:04,090 --> 00:29:07,410
you didn't have music and you didn't write song. You know what I mean? Like,

465
00:29:07,410 --> 00:29:10,570
it was like you'll hear of these stories where somebody will just put a clip

466
00:29:10,570 --> 00:29:14,400
up and then they're like, oh, now maybe you had to finish the

467
00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:17,000
song or like, oh, I have to finish it now. But. But it's not like

468
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:20,760
you weren't in practice doing this,

469
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:24,560
right? I mean, it wasn't like you just threw some thing up and you're

470
00:29:24,560 --> 00:29:26,760
gonna try to write a song and then it gets a Million. And then you're

471
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,640
like, oh, like, what am I supposed to do now? It's like, you had already.

472
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,600
You just keep going. I would post the. I would post the snippet after I

473
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,440
wrote it for the most part. And if I didn't fully write it,

474
00:29:38,700 --> 00:29:40,860
I would be like, okay, well, I'm going to write it today and then I'm

475
00:29:40,860 --> 00:29:44,700
going to get it produced tomorrow. And then I'm. We're going to release it next

476
00:29:44,700 --> 00:29:47,380
week. Because that's actually what we did. The producer I was working with at the

477
00:29:47,380 --> 00:29:51,020
time, I would send him a song. We'd be like, we're releasing this next week.

478
00:29:51,660 --> 00:29:55,260
And we would do a set. Like, I would write the whole song.

479
00:29:55,420 --> 00:29:59,220
I would send in the, like, a voice memo of the song. We would get

480
00:29:59,220 --> 00:30:02,860
on a zoom session for, like, three hours or something,

481
00:30:03,260 --> 00:30:07,010
work on it. He would then take it, do his own production

482
00:30:07,010 --> 00:30:10,690
and stuff on his own for like a day or two while I would go

483
00:30:10,690 --> 00:30:13,930
and get the whole rollout ready. So I would go and

484
00:30:14,330 --> 00:30:18,090
shoot a whole, like, promo video with all my friends,

485
00:30:18,090 --> 00:30:21,810
and then I would go and they would take my cover art and I would

486
00:30:21,810 --> 00:30:24,890
edit it and I would do all the things, get the whole rollout ready while

487
00:30:24,890 --> 00:30:28,690
the song was being made, and then he would send it

488
00:30:28,690 --> 00:30:31,250
back and he would mix a master in a day, and then he would get

489
00:30:31,250 --> 00:30:34,630
it back to me and then I would put it on Distro Kid. And then

490
00:30:34,630 --> 00:30:38,190
I just did the immediate release thing. So it would come out whenever. So my

491
00:30:38,190 --> 00:30:41,990
first song came out Monday, so. And I didn't know. I, like,

492
00:30:41,990 --> 00:30:45,550
posted it, like, it's out soon. And then the next day it came out and

493
00:30:45,550 --> 00:30:47,270
I was like, like,

494
00:30:50,390 --> 00:30:54,190
so it's. It was very like. And we just

495
00:30:54,190 --> 00:30:57,990
did that every. Every time. So we did it every month. And then

496
00:30:58,960 --> 00:31:01,400
for two months, I just did, like, I put you first and then I did

497
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:05,240
holding my own hand. Both of them were written and then released

498
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,000
within like, a week and a half of, like,

499
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:12,640
writing it to, you know, releasing it. And then my

500
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:15,200
first ep, we did

501
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,160
four new songs, or was it. Yeah, four

502
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,960
new songs in the span of, I

503
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:27,750
think, three weeks. Because we wanted to keep, like, meeting

504
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:31,350
it. Because I was like, I need, I guess, to keep releasing. I should

505
00:31:31,350 --> 00:31:35,070
probably do an ep. And so that's exactly what we did. We did as fast

506
00:31:35,070 --> 00:31:37,830
as we could and then we released it. So I had like a.

507
00:31:39,190 --> 00:31:42,950
A June single, like, end of June single, end of July

508
00:31:43,030 --> 00:31:46,830
single, and then September 6th or 7th or something, the

509
00:31:46,830 --> 00:31:50,510
project came out, none of which Were planned at all. And then to

510
00:31:50,510 --> 00:31:53,860
love someone else. The title track is my top song.

511
00:31:54,340 --> 00:31:57,540
Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. Craziness. Craziness.

512
00:31:57,860 --> 00:32:01,460
Wow. And that was new right at the time. That was brand new. Yeah,

513
00:32:04,580 --> 00:32:08,300
yeah. But it wasn't like it was momentum from tick

514
00:32:08,300 --> 00:32:11,340
tock in the beginning where it was like, oh, it's got a 3 million views

515
00:32:11,340 --> 00:32:14,340
and we gotta get the song out. It was like no one had even heard

516
00:32:14,340 --> 00:32:18,130
it. You just put it out with the ep. Yeah. And I wasn't.

517
00:32:18,130 --> 00:32:21,810
I wasn't planning on releasing out of Love with you because it's an interpolation

518
00:32:21,890 --> 00:32:25,610
of Alessia Carr is out of love. And in order to like get an

519
00:32:25,610 --> 00:32:29,330
interpolation approved like that you needed contact with

520
00:32:29,330 --> 00:32:32,530
the artist and I didn't have. I couldn't reach her, so I had to wait.

521
00:32:33,890 --> 00:32:37,690
Yeah. But then eventually, like we got that

522
00:32:37,690 --> 00:32:40,970
all sorted out and she's actually a writer on it technically because it's an

523
00:32:40,970 --> 00:32:44,810
interpolation. So. Pretty cool. Very. That was really cool because she was

524
00:32:44,810 --> 00:32:48,640
like my favorite artist in high school. Oh, rad. And then feel that

525
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:52,440
they credit her or whatever, you know. Yeah. Now. And now there's a.

526
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,960
My song has written by Avery lynch and Alessia,

527
00:32:56,200 --> 00:32:59,560
like Alessiandra. I don't know what her actual name is.

528
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:03,960
All the. Is so cool. And then whoever she wrote that song with

529
00:33:04,440 --> 00:33:06,520
is also in the credit. So yeah,

530
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,920
that is so cool. And then. And with that though, I

531
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:15,640
mean, like, you get. Man. I mean, I'm sure once your song is going off

532
00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,440
and your songs are or whatever and you're getting all these streams, like that's

533
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:23,040
when people start hitting you up. Like managers and record labels. I bet.

534
00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:26,880
Is that hard to navigate? Yes. I was on the phone almost

535
00:33:26,960 --> 00:33:30,640
every day with somebody. I talked to all the

536
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,400
labels and I told them all that they have no idea if I would be

537
00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:38,240
a good investment because I only have two songs out or one song out.

538
00:33:39,610 --> 00:33:43,450
Wow. You were actually honest too. Well, I went. I was in business school at

539
00:33:43,450 --> 00:33:46,970
the time and both my parents. So I was like, no, this is actually a

540
00:33:46,970 --> 00:33:50,810
horrible business investment. I would never do that. I would never like

541
00:33:50,810 --> 00:33:54,530
put that in my. Like in myself. You

542
00:33:54,530 --> 00:33:58,330
don't know if I'm. If I'm capable of this. I'm just. I think

543
00:33:58,330 --> 00:34:02,130
they. But they, but there's. They have the never. I. Yeah, I

544
00:34:02,130 --> 00:34:05,170
mean, I'm sure. You know, obviously it's like they could just write you off and

545
00:34:05,170 --> 00:34:08,850
be like, whatever. And so when I told them that.

546
00:34:08,850 --> 00:34:11,950
Like, well, you're not really that big of a lie. Liability. Because we'll just write

547
00:34:11,950 --> 00:34:15,470
you off. Yeah. Like, it's fine. Like, don't worry.

548
00:34:15,470 --> 00:34:19,150
Exactly. Yeah, don't worry. There's no risk for

549
00:34:19,150 --> 00:34:22,710
us. Don't worry. Exactly. And it's.

550
00:34:22,710 --> 00:34:26,430
It's really funny because, like, I'm currently signed. I've,

551
00:34:26,430 --> 00:34:30,150
like, very recently signed and my

552
00:34:30,150 --> 00:34:33,030
very first record deal and

553
00:34:33,670 --> 00:34:37,190
I am with one of the labels that I talk to. Then

554
00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:41,480
that's not like. Yeah, it is pretty cool. It wasn't with, like,

555
00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,080
I think it was like the. The London,

556
00:34:46,360 --> 00:34:50,040
like, office or something. Like, it. It wasn't exactly with like, who

557
00:34:50,040 --> 00:34:53,800
I'm with, but it was the same company and it's a

558
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:57,560
pretty small company. So I was like, that's kind of cool. Like, I was.

559
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,120
I was kind of freaking out when they called me in general because they have

560
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,060
Len and Stella and I'm a huge Lennon Stella fan. Okay.

561
00:35:04,860 --> 00:35:08,500
And they have her. They still have her. So I'm currently signed

562
00:35:08,500 --> 00:35:11,500
to. To her label, which is very exciting

563
00:35:12,540 --> 00:35:15,020
for me as a. As a fan. But.

564
00:35:16,380 --> 00:35:19,860
But it was. It was pretty hectic at that time. Had lots of

565
00:35:19,860 --> 00:35:23,700
managers that I was like, having meetings with and things, and I was

566
00:35:23,700 --> 00:35:27,540
like, this is all a little confusing. I'm just home for the summer for

567
00:35:27,540 --> 00:35:30,090
Covid and stuff. And. Yeah.

568
00:35:30,810 --> 00:35:34,650
2022 at this point, right? Yeah. So it was like, well, I don't,

569
00:35:34,970 --> 00:35:38,330
you know, we're going to put it, what, an album out and then are my

570
00:35:38,330 --> 00:35:41,810
touring with artists, like, what's going on? Yeah, it was like, we got to get

571
00:35:41,810 --> 00:35:45,530
you on tour, like, immediately. And we. We almost did

572
00:35:45,530 --> 00:35:48,890
and we couldn't because it

573
00:35:48,890 --> 00:35:51,930
coincided with finals. And I was like, guys, I'm like,

574
00:35:52,570 --> 00:35:55,850
I need to make sure that I can get my degree because I,

575
00:35:56,780 --> 00:36:00,620
like, both are a priority. I would. I would totally do the rest of the

576
00:36:00,620 --> 00:36:04,300
tour and just not do these, like, three dates, but I just can't, like.

577
00:36:04,940 --> 00:36:08,180
So it was. And then the whole. The whole tour ended up falling through, which

578
00:36:08,180 --> 00:36:11,340
is fine because it was for Clinton Kane. So it's okay that it didn't.

579
00:36:11,660 --> 00:36:14,380
Okay. Ultimately work out

580
00:36:16,700 --> 00:36:20,060
in retrospect, but. Yeah. Yeah. Wow.

581
00:36:20,300 --> 00:36:23,940
Yeah. And so, like, after that, I mean. Yeah. Then things open up and then

582
00:36:23,940 --> 00:36:27,500
are. You're able to probably do shows and then you just keep releasing music

583
00:36:28,220 --> 00:36:32,060
and. Yes. And how do you just keep. How do. How do you

584
00:36:32,060 --> 00:36:35,860
keep the momentum up? Are you going out and playing to these fans that

585
00:36:35,860 --> 00:36:39,620
you've made on. On Tik Tok or like, you know, you talked about how

586
00:36:39,620 --> 00:36:43,300
the algorithm Obviously changes. But you, but you've built this fan

587
00:36:43,300 --> 00:36:46,940
base at this point. Yeah, so I've, I've built a very close

588
00:36:47,020 --> 00:36:50,860
knit fan base. I,

589
00:36:51,020 --> 00:36:54,820
a year ago turned my close friends into a

590
00:36:54,820 --> 00:36:58,220
just fan space and it's just been like growing since

591
00:36:59,180 --> 00:37:02,140
and I, because I have a lot of like

592
00:37:02,700 --> 00:37:06,340
stress posting when other artists can see. Like, I

593
00:37:06,340 --> 00:37:10,060
just, I feel like everybody's judging me. So like I don't want to like,

594
00:37:10,780 --> 00:37:14,100
I just, I don't know, I'm not comfortable. Like I'm not a big social media

595
00:37:14,100 --> 00:37:17,890
person. I never was in my life. So posting

596
00:37:17,890 --> 00:37:21,690
all the time is very out of character for me. And having, and like

597
00:37:21,690 --> 00:37:25,450
I'm very specific about what I kind of put out there for people to see

598
00:37:25,450 --> 00:37:28,970
because it's all the people I went to high school with and it's all

599
00:37:29,050 --> 00:37:32,209
the people who want me to fail that I went to college with and it's

600
00:37:32,209 --> 00:37:35,210
all the, the other artists that

601
00:37:35,850 --> 00:37:39,570
there's like some weird thing where we're all kind of in the

602
00:37:39,570 --> 00:37:43,330
same level so we all want to take each other's good ideas and that kind

603
00:37:43,330 --> 00:37:46,380
of stuff. It's just like I don't want to be part of any of it.

604
00:37:46,380 --> 00:37:50,220
I literally just want to post for the fans. That's it. And so my manager

605
00:37:50,220 --> 00:37:54,020
was like, why don't you just make your close friends into just

606
00:37:54,020 --> 00:37:57,020
the fans? You don't even use your close friends. Why don't you just do that?

607
00:37:57,020 --> 00:38:00,100
And I was like, that's genius. So

608
00:38:00,660 --> 00:38:04,380
wow, that is genius. Yeah, that's what we did. And now I

609
00:38:04,380 --> 00:38:07,940
have over 2000 close friends and

610
00:38:08,260 --> 00:38:12,020
they are amazing. Ever since I started doing it,

611
00:38:12,180 --> 00:38:15,860
they've become so devoted. They have my

612
00:38:15,860 --> 00:38:19,700
back, they comment on everything, they listen to everything. They have fan pages,

613
00:38:19,780 --> 00:38:22,660
they send me gifts. Like it's like crazy. They're like

614
00:38:23,460 --> 00:38:27,140
so committed and they're so kind and every

615
00:38:27,140 --> 00:38:30,420
single day I just answer all their DMs. And it's just like a

616
00:38:30,900 --> 00:38:34,740
big fan club essentially of like just people being

617
00:38:34,740 --> 00:38:38,500
nice to me all day. And it's great. Really

618
00:38:38,500 --> 00:38:42,260
helped in like being able to actually just reach them and

619
00:38:42,260 --> 00:38:45,460
not have to deal with any of like the bullshit surrounding.

620
00:38:45,940 --> 00:38:49,540
I just get to like, oh guys, this is what I did today. Here's this.

621
00:38:49,540 --> 00:38:52,540
I wanted to share this with you. I posted this. What do you guys think?

622
00:38:52,540 --> 00:38:56,100
Or like wanted to like send them

623
00:38:56,820 --> 00:38:59,940
the, the, the like

624
00:39:00,340 --> 00:39:04,060
track list of the project of as written before it came out. Because like

625
00:39:04,060 --> 00:39:06,860
the track list is a really big deal. It's like, oh, what are the Songs

626
00:39:06,860 --> 00:39:10,640
that are on this as written. Yeah. Because we already know six of

627
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:13,600
them are going to be on there or whatever. Yes. Like, what are they?

628
00:39:14,720 --> 00:39:18,200
And so I wanted to do it in a fun way, so I made a

629
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,040
word search that only, like, they got to do. So they got, like, first access

630
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:25,280
and they got to, like, do a whole game essentially, to figure out what the

631
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:29,040
songs are. And then I've also done, like, puzzles and things with them. Lots

632
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,720
of games. We all like games a lot. So I was like, games are fun.

633
00:39:32,720 --> 00:39:36,540
Yeah. That's rap. Yeah. That's so cool to

634
00:39:36,540 --> 00:39:40,380
have that relationship. Yeah. With your. With your. With your fans like that. How does

635
00:39:40,380 --> 00:39:44,220
one become a close friend or close. A close fan. They just start commenting

636
00:39:44,220 --> 00:39:47,700
a lot or. Well, they. I invite them.

637
00:39:47,780 --> 00:39:51,140
They, like. Some of them ask if they know people who are in it. I,

638
00:39:51,140 --> 00:39:54,700
like, I first started inviting people by, like, through my

639
00:39:54,700 --> 00:39:58,460
broadcast channel, just letting people know. I'm like, turning my

640
00:39:58,460 --> 00:40:02,180
close friends into a space just for fans. Anyone who wants to be in

641
00:40:02,180 --> 00:40:05,940
it, just like this post, and I'm gonna add you. And it's just all on

642
00:40:05,940 --> 00:40:09,620
the broadcast channel. I got, like, the first 800 people from that. It took

643
00:40:09,620 --> 00:40:13,420
forever to add everybody. And then. I bet. Yeah. And then

644
00:40:13,420 --> 00:40:17,020
from there, people started, like, seeing that message and,

645
00:40:17,020 --> 00:40:20,540
like, letting me know random, like, they would DM me like, hey, can I join?

646
00:40:20,780 --> 00:40:23,820
Over time. And then recently I started

647
00:40:24,460 --> 00:40:28,200
going through comments and things like people who,

648
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:31,320
like, show support or who have DM me in the past, and I just invite

649
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:34,640
them and they're like, oh, my God, it's really you. Like, blah, blah, blah, this

650
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:38,160
up very cool things. And then I just add them.

651
00:40:38,240 --> 00:40:42,000
So it's become more of, like, me personally inviting everyone

652
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,360
to join. That's. And I just

653
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:50,080
feel like that would be so cool as, like, a fan of other artists.

654
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,400
If one of them DM me like, hey, do you want to join my close

655
00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,090
friends? I'd be like, yeah, right. I mean, yeah,

656
00:40:58,130 --> 00:41:01,730
I can't even imagine, you know. Yeah, yeah. Your favorite artist is just like,

657
00:41:01,730 --> 00:41:05,410
hey, you want to join my clothes? Yes. Yeah. Because

658
00:41:05,410 --> 00:41:09,170
not even just like, adding them and they just appear in it and they think

659
00:41:09,250 --> 00:41:12,290
they might have been accidentally added. Like, added. I didn't want to do any of

660
00:41:12,290 --> 00:41:15,290
that. So I was like, I'll just invite you and you can let me know

661
00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:19,010
if you want to join. And then if you do, welcome to the family.

662
00:41:19,250 --> 00:41:23,050
And then that's. So, yeah, they're really cool. So

663
00:41:23,610 --> 00:41:27,290
that's been how I've been, like, kind of maintaining and growing an

664
00:41:27,290 --> 00:41:30,890
actual fan base when the content itself isn't always getting

665
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:34,570
through. Like, this is kind of my cheat sheet. I'm like, just giving

666
00:41:34,570 --> 00:41:38,330
it directly to them. No, that's brilliant. That is so

667
00:41:38,330 --> 00:41:41,530
brilliant. My man. She's smart.

668
00:41:43,130 --> 00:41:46,650
Well, so. Yeah. And you just. In the as Written Volume two has just.

669
00:41:46,730 --> 00:41:50,390
Just came out earlier this month. Right. And then. Yes. So how do you make

670
00:41:50,390 --> 00:41:54,190
a decision on the songs? Obviously you said that you chose the title track

671
00:41:54,350 --> 00:41:58,030
to. For some Kids table, for example. Then how do you pick the next

672
00:41:58,030 --> 00:42:01,630
one? Is it just one that you means a lot? Like,

673
00:42:01,630 --> 00:42:05,470
that must be hard to do. Yeah. I honestly, I didn't even mean

674
00:42:05,470 --> 00:42:09,150
to pick the title tracks. I didn't realize until after the project

675
00:42:09,150 --> 00:42:12,870
came out that I picked the title tracks of each of them. Okay. I just

676
00:42:12,870 --> 00:42:15,920
kind of picked the ones that I wanted to do as written versions of. So.

677
00:42:17,110 --> 00:42:20,910
Kids table. Specifically, when I wrote it, the demo, I

678
00:42:20,910 --> 00:42:24,190
was. I was obsessed with it. It was just piano and it was me and

679
00:42:24,190 --> 00:42:27,190
it was a bunch of doubles of my voice. And it was very cool. Like,

680
00:42:27,190 --> 00:42:30,630
it was this, like, sonically, this very cool energy.

681
00:42:31,110 --> 00:42:34,830
And then it changed so much in production. So I was like, this is the

682
00:42:34,830 --> 00:42:37,550
song. I knew it since 2022. This is the song that I want to do

683
00:42:37,550 --> 00:42:41,350
an as written song like version of. Okay. That ended

684
00:42:41,350 --> 00:42:45,200
up being the title track of the project. Yeah, the project.

685
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:49,320
I love the beginning of the as written version where you have like the. The

686
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:53,040
kit that it's the. There's sound effects in there. Oh, yeah, it's.

687
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,160
Which isn't in the original version.

688
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:01,680
Yeah, that. That's like a new thing that we added in

689
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:06,080
this as kind of like an intro to the. The project. It's

690
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,770
a sound bite from a home video of

691
00:43:10,170 --> 00:43:13,850
my birthday when I was three, my third birthday. Oh, wow. So

692
00:43:14,010 --> 00:43:17,770
everyone. Everyone in my family got a thing in it.

693
00:43:17,770 --> 00:43:21,210
So the beginning is my dad, my sister

694
00:43:21,210 --> 00:43:24,930
Reagan, and then me in the beginning. And then the very end is my sister

695
00:43:24,930 --> 00:43:28,530
Mackenzie and my mom. Okay. The whole family

696
00:43:28,530 --> 00:43:32,290
got a little. A little sound bite and shout out. Yeah. Really fun

697
00:43:32,290 --> 00:43:35,650
to put together. They didn't know that that was going to be a thing. And

698
00:43:35,650 --> 00:43:38,410
then I showed them. They're like, oh, my God, we're in the song.

699
00:43:40,610 --> 00:43:44,330
So that was very cool. And then some of the other songs

700
00:43:44,330 --> 00:43:47,770
that I picked, like, I picked When It Ends in

701
00:43:47,770 --> 00:43:51,090
Friction, not even because they were the title tracks, but because they were duets

702
00:43:52,930 --> 00:43:56,530
originally written just by me. So I was like, I want to actually

703
00:43:56,530 --> 00:43:59,450
show this as written. Like this Is like the perfect kind of thing to do

704
00:43:59,450 --> 00:44:03,250
as written because it's just me. So I did. When it ends.

705
00:44:04,290 --> 00:44:08,130
And then friction. I had a whole different verse that I originally wrote before

706
00:44:08,130 --> 00:44:11,780
I decided that it would be a. A duet.

707
00:44:12,580 --> 00:44:16,380
So then his. Gadden's verse is his own, so. Oh. So

708
00:44:16,380 --> 00:44:18,580
the. Yeah. Because it's different obviously then

709
00:44:19,940 --> 00:44:22,660
lyrically too. So. Yeah, you took that.

710
00:44:23,540 --> 00:44:27,060
His part out and then added the piece you already had in the

711
00:44:27,060 --> 00:44:30,820
beginning. Exactly. Yeah. And we just. We completely re record

712
00:44:30,900 --> 00:44:34,500
everything. It's all like re. Harmed, like on the piano. Like, everything.

713
00:44:35,630 --> 00:44:38,990
Everything is honestly different. Like, I don't ever want to keep,

714
00:44:39,470 --> 00:44:42,550
like the piano the same, even though some of the songs are on piano. Like,

715
00:44:42,550 --> 00:44:46,150
I want it to, like, sound and feel different. So, like,

716
00:44:46,150 --> 00:44:48,830
lots of the. The elements are

717
00:44:49,950 --> 00:44:53,670
kind of like redone sort of. But. Yes. It's not like

718
00:44:53,670 --> 00:44:57,510
you take the piano piece from the song. Yeah. If the song

719
00:44:57,510 --> 00:45:01,310
had a piano in it, you wouldn't just take that and then re record vocals.

720
00:45:01,310 --> 00:45:04,950
And exactly like it's. Everything's normally like a different tempo

721
00:45:04,950 --> 00:45:07,850
and maybe a different key. Like, it's a. It's like a.

722
00:45:08,890 --> 00:45:12,530
A new version of the song in a completely different space is like the

723
00:45:12,530 --> 00:45:16,170
idea. But so I did the duets and then

724
00:45:16,330 --> 00:45:20,010
I had a personal favorite song that I know is

725
00:45:20,010 --> 00:45:23,850
like a favorite of my artist peers and my managers, which is obvious.

726
00:45:25,130 --> 00:45:27,690
That's my manager's, like, favorite song. And

727
00:45:28,730 --> 00:45:32,410
my artist friends were like, that's my favorite song off of the Kids Sable ep.

728
00:45:32,570 --> 00:45:36,310
And it was like, so, like underrated, I

729
00:45:36,310 --> 00:45:39,870
feel like. So I was like, I. I should just do that one for

730
00:45:39,870 --> 00:45:43,710
fun. We'll just do it. And it was also like, we made it.

731
00:45:43,790 --> 00:45:47,630
We gave it more energy in the. In the real, like, produced

732
00:45:47,630 --> 00:45:51,390
version. So we were like, let's. Let's, like, do it

733
00:45:51,390 --> 00:45:55,030
exactly as I wrote it. Right. And so that's what we

734
00:45:55,030 --> 00:45:58,750
did. And people like it. Yeah, it's. It's

735
00:45:58,750 --> 00:46:02,370
awesome. And then the three new ones on there as

736
00:46:02,370 --> 00:46:05,970
well. So. Yeah. And when you go into those new ones,

737
00:46:06,130 --> 00:46:09,610
those are just as written as well. Like, you know, obviously it's not like it.

738
00:46:09,610 --> 00:46:13,050
Yeah, it came out and then you went back and. And did what you did.

739
00:46:13,050 --> 00:46:16,730
It's just like. It's just a reason I wrote the song. This is how I

740
00:46:16,730 --> 00:46:20,090
wrote the song. And then this is. Yeah, exactly. It didn't go to a

741
00:46:20,090 --> 00:46:23,730
producer and then they changed some things and then, you know.

742
00:46:24,130 --> 00:46:27,930
Exactly. It's just. Just the stripped down version of what it was. Yeah. And

743
00:46:27,930 --> 00:46:31,610
that's all it's gonna live as. Oh, they will never be

744
00:46:31,610 --> 00:46:35,450
produced. They. No, they'll never be, like, any more produced

745
00:46:35,450 --> 00:46:38,930
than they already are. Right? Yeah, they're produced, but you know what I mean, like.

746
00:46:38,930 --> 00:46:42,690
Yeah, you wouldn't take it. They're never gonna be any, like, bigger than that. No

747
00:46:42,690 --> 00:46:46,490
bigger than that. I love just. And with all

748
00:46:46,490 --> 00:46:48,730
the songs you have. I mean, as you said, you have another song you wrote

749
00:46:48,730 --> 00:46:52,090
with your sister that hasn't came out yet. Like, do you.

750
00:46:52,810 --> 00:46:56,530
You must have more than the three. Do you know what three you're gonna put

751
00:46:56,530 --> 00:47:00,370
on when you released the as

752
00:47:00,370 --> 00:47:04,170
written stuff? As far as the new ones go. Well, so

753
00:47:04,330 --> 00:47:07,770
for the. I, like, I. I've had

754
00:47:08,010 --> 00:47:11,450
the. Those three songs at the end of the

755
00:47:11,450 --> 00:47:14,410
Azerritten project kind of laid out for a while.

756
00:47:15,370 --> 00:47:19,130
Like love you. Like, that was written two years ago. Look, what you

757
00:47:19,130 --> 00:47:22,850
did was written a year ago. And Somebody New, I think

758
00:47:22,850 --> 00:47:26,420
I also wrote a year ago, so they were kind of like, far

759
00:47:26,420 --> 00:47:30,140
out. So in that amount of time that, like, I did

760
00:47:30,540 --> 00:47:34,340
those, I was also writing other things. Like, I wrote Somebody New around the

761
00:47:34,340 --> 00:47:37,620
same time that I actually wrote, or at least I wrote the course of Somebody

762
00:47:37,620 --> 00:47:41,260
New around the same time that I wrote you're Just a Guy, which

763
00:47:41,260 --> 00:47:44,700
was two years ago. Yeah, I just never

764
00:47:44,700 --> 00:47:47,900
finished Somebody New, so

765
00:47:48,700 --> 00:47:51,580
I. In that amount of time that, like,

766
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:56,160
those were finished and everything was being recorded, I have

767
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,880
now written a bunch of songs. So I. I actually know exactly

768
00:47:59,880 --> 00:48:03,520
what I'm releasing next and I have a whole plan

769
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:07,360
and all of that. I had so much time to just like, sit with all

770
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:11,040
of it a. Little newer than the. Than the. All right, we're gonna

771
00:48:11,040 --> 00:48:14,160
record this and then we're gonna put it out next week. Yes,

772
00:48:14,560 --> 00:48:18,240
exactly. So it'll. We have. We have a lot of.

773
00:48:18,580 --> 00:48:21,780
A lot of time. I've gotten used to having a song wait for like a

774
00:48:21,780 --> 00:48:25,540
year, which I was. I would never have been able to do, like, three years

775
00:48:25,540 --> 00:48:28,860
ago. I would be like, what, you want me to just, like, hold on to

776
00:48:28,860 --> 00:48:32,420
this this whole time? So. Yeah,

777
00:48:32,500 --> 00:48:36,260
that's amazing. Well, I. I love what you're doing. I think that

778
00:48:36,500 --> 00:48:39,700
the album is cool. It's so cool. I think the concept of this

779
00:48:40,020 --> 00:48:43,820
is so unique and rad because I love, like, stripped down

780
00:48:43,820 --> 00:48:47,470
versions of songs like that. And especially when you go back and you hear

781
00:48:47,470 --> 00:48:50,950
what, you know, the song became like, hearing the

782
00:48:50,950 --> 00:48:54,790
evolution of, you know, I wrote this song and then it was,

783
00:48:54,790 --> 00:48:58,070
you know, it blew up on Tik Tok. So then we went and produced it,

784
00:48:58,070 --> 00:49:01,830
and then it sounds different when we put it out. Yeah. And then going back

785
00:49:01,830 --> 00:49:04,510
and being like, well, let's put out that version of it again. You know what

786
00:49:04,510 --> 00:49:08,030
I mean? Like, I just think, like, the idea of this, what you're doing, is

787
00:49:08,030 --> 00:49:11,650
so, so cool. Yeah. I also think, like, the coolest part

788
00:49:11,810 --> 00:49:15,570
of it is when I perform it live, it is exactly

789
00:49:15,570 --> 00:49:18,610
as that. So people get to,

790
00:49:19,570 --> 00:49:22,970
like, they always say, oh, my God, it sounds exactly the same. Like, you sound

791
00:49:22,970 --> 00:49:25,810
exactly like the recording. Because it is. That's all it is.

792
00:49:26,610 --> 00:49:30,410
And that's really fun because with what I'm able to do right now and

793
00:49:30,410 --> 00:49:34,050
afford and all this stuff, it's just me and the piano when I

794
00:49:34,050 --> 00:49:36,610
perform. So being able to actually, like,

795
00:49:38,010 --> 00:49:41,650
show, like, play them the song and not leave things

796
00:49:41,650 --> 00:49:45,210
out, really, besides, like, background vocals is like.

797
00:49:45,210 --> 00:49:49,050
Right. That's so fun. Like, I'm really glad that those.

798
00:49:49,450 --> 00:49:53,010
That kind of worked out that way. So it's a fun little

799
00:49:53,010 --> 00:49:56,770
bonus. Love it. Are you doing any shows coming up? You did

800
00:49:56,770 --> 00:49:59,250
a hometown show, but that was, like, a few months ago, right? Yeah, I did

801
00:49:59,250 --> 00:50:02,330
a hometown show. I did a. And I did an LA

802
00:50:02,890 --> 00:50:06,170
headline in on the 31st

803
00:50:06,490 --> 00:50:10,330
or 30th August. So a few weeks

804
00:50:10,330 --> 00:50:13,850
ago. Don't have anything planned out at this point,

805
00:50:13,850 --> 00:50:17,210
but always looking to

806
00:50:18,170 --> 00:50:22,010
play somewhere. Love it. Well, I appreciate your time. Thank you

807
00:50:22,010 --> 00:50:25,810
so much, Avery, for doing this. You are awesome. Thank you. Thank you so much.

808
00:50:25,810 --> 00:50:29,290
Oh, my gosh. This was lovely. I really appreciate it. Oh, no, thank you. I

809
00:50:29,290 --> 00:50:31,950
have one more question. I want to know if you have. But you've been giving

810
00:50:31,950 --> 00:50:35,470
advice throughout this entire interview, but do you have any advice for

811
00:50:35,470 --> 00:50:39,310
aspiring artists? Yes. Okay, wait, let

812
00:50:39,310 --> 00:50:41,150
me think, let me think. Okay.

813
00:50:44,030 --> 00:50:47,390
Don't not release the song because it didn't go viral.

814
00:50:49,630 --> 00:50:52,510
Always. If you like it, people are going to like it.

815
00:50:54,110 --> 00:50:54,990
Release the song.

816
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:02,680
Bringing it backwards,

817
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:10,040
bringing it backward, bringing it backward,

818
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:13,640
bringing it backward, bringing it backward,

819
00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:15,640
bringing it backward.