BiB: Madelline - How Flute, TikTok, and Dual Citizenship Sparked a Viral Pop Career

0:00 What is going on? It is Adam. Welcome back to Bringing It Backwards, a podcast where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how they achieve stardom. On this episode, we had a chance to chat with Madeline over Zoom Video. Madeline was born and raised in Connecticut and talks about how she got into music. Comes from a musical family. There was a piano in her house. She started playing piano at an early age, ended up picking up the flute and guitar around fifth, sixth grade. She played the flute all through middle school, high school, she was in the band and she also was really involved in the chorus and choir and the theater program. She actually went to college thinking she was going to be an actress. Madeline has dual citizenship. Her mom's from Canada, so she ended up moving to Montreal at around 19 years old. And in Montreal, that's where she really started to focus on her music career and her songwriting. Meline talks about the success of the song on a different wave. We hear about her viral moments she's had on Tik Tok, touring with mbhold and all about the new music she's been releasing and a new album, a concept album that she's working on as well. You can watch our interview with Meline on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at bringing it backwards. It'd be amazing if you subscribe to our channel, like us on Facebook, follow us on Instagram, Twitter and Tik Tok at Bringing back pod. Hey, and if you're listening to this on Spotify or Apple Music, Google podcasts, please rate and

1:31 review the podcast there. It helps us out tremendously. We'd appreciate your support. If you follow and subscribe to our podcasts. Wherever you listen to podcasts, we're bringing. It backwards with Madeline. Bringing it backwards. Bringing it backwards. Bringing it back. Hi, how are you? I'm good. How are you? I'm fantastic. Thank you for having me. No, thank you so much for doing this. I'm really excited. Me too. My name is Adam and this is about you and your journey in music. Hell, yeah. Well, I love the.

2:24 What you've done with dopamine is so cool. With the two languages in one earbud in the other earbud, I was just like, I put. I listened to that. My brain is like, doesn't know what to do. Yeah, because when we made both. When we made both language versions, we were super careful about keeping, like, let me know if my sounds okay. Is it okay? Yeah, it sounds great. Okay, cool. But, yeah, so we were really careful about keeping, like, the same rhythmic. Yeah, the cadence is all in time. It's crazy. That's why it works. Yeah. Because I was trying to figure that out. I was like, how come, like, this is so wild? Because usually you translate a language, not only does the language not translate perfectly over, but not only that, but, like, the cadence and everything is so off, but it works perfectly. Totally. Like, there's usually just more syllables, but yeah, so we were really careful about that. Well, it's awesome. I. I think it's a rad record, so thank you.

3:26 Yeah. So I always kind of start off with your origin story. Where were you born and raised? I was born and raised in Connecticut. Okay. Because I saw that you were from, what, Fairville or Fairfield. Oh, Fairfield, Yeah, Fairfield County. Fairfield. And I typed it in, and I'm like, okay, there's an Ohio, there's Connecticut, South Carolina. This really isn't narrowing it down. They weren't very creative with the names, you know, so. Connecticut. Tell me about that. So, yeah, I was born and raised there. I. My mom is Canadian. And so, yeah, I grew up in a small town. Basically, we would just, like, walk through the woods and smoke weed for fun in the forest and what else? Go to strip malls.

4:18 A lot of my local high school would hang out at the McDonald's close. To the high school. Very suburban life. Yeah, well, Mom's Canadian. Is that how you know French? I honestly started learning French when I moved to Montreal, like, so. And that's, like, later on. So. Okay, so we're way ahead of the horse. Okay. Yeah. Okay. So Connecticut. You stay. You're in Connecticut. How do you get into music? Do you come from a musical family or, like, creative household? Yeah, my mom, like, always was, like, drawing, and she always liked art. And my.

5:00 My mom and dad, they got divorced when I was pretty young, but both of them, like, loved music. And my parents, when they were together, they bonded over their love for music. So, yeah, I grew up listening to a lot of, like, Chaka Khan, chic, Aretha Franklin, Rolling Stones. My mom and I would, like, listen to a lot of Gwen Stefani and jlo, and. And, yeah, it was. It was just like, there was always music playing and there was a piano in the house, and. And I did, like. I did choir in high school and middle school. I did band, and I did marching band. So what did you play in the marching band? Blue. Okay. And I still put in some of my songs. I play it on stage during my shows, too.

5:49 That's awesome. Okay. And then you said, there's a piano in your house. Where did either your parents play piano or is it just something that was there and you picked it up? My mom played a bit of piano. Not like, seriously, seriously, but she. But she dabbled in piano. Yeah. And it was just around. I honestly don't really like playing piano, though. I realized I'm like, I. The out. Like, where I put my face. I don't know. It's just. It doesn't make sense to my brain spatially, as weird as that sounds, because it should be like the most obvious thing. But I prefer. I literally, I like, prefer the flute or the guitar. Okay, when do you decide to start? Like, were you put in lessons as a.

6:32 A child in piano? Actually, yeah, I did do lessons as a kid in piano, and I remember I had kind of like a stuffy piano teacher and. Why. Why I don't understand this. Like, I've said so many people on that talk about this, you know, this pain in the ass piano teacher where it's like, they don't want to teach you what you want to learn. They're like, no, you will learn, you know, proper everything. You know, posture and scales and all this that you probably care about. I get it. It's like you have to learn, like, the foundations to then break away from that to a certain degree. But also, like, I think you should follow your joy, otherwise it becomes this sort of like, draining experience. Right. It's like a chore at that point. I don't want to go here. I want to learn how to play. Yeah, whatever.

7:21 On piano. Just a girl or something. Exactly. And low key. Those would probably be, like, slightly. Maybe even easier to place than some of, like, the classical piano stuff. Oh, yeah. I mean, probably a lot of, you know, it's a lot of repetitive things that you're doing. Yeah. If you learn that riff, you'd be stoked and you'd come back. Oh, my God. Yeah. I remember learning, like, the Clocks by Coldplay. Like the. Oh, yeah. I was. That's fire. Like, I really liked that. Yeah, that'll keep you coming back because you're like, okay, well, now I know how to play something that I can actually hear on the radio or whatever. Yeah, exactly. I. Yeah, I really do think more teachers need to.

8:10 Yeah. Just like, follow the joy. Make it fun. Like, make it a fun, like, exploratory experience. 100%. So when do you get into the flute? I got into the flute when I was in. I started in fifth grade. Okay. And the cousins. Yeah, when I was in fifth grade, you could pick an instrument and do that. And then you. If you wanted to continue going to middle school, high school and play. Exactly. And I, I like wanted to play trombone or like French horn. And my mom was literally like, yeah, that, that you don't want to play that instrument. It's like, it's kind of like a masculine thing. I was. Oh.

8:55 But honestly, I like looking back, I'm actually glad that I ended up playing flute because it's so easy to transport. Like. Yeah, backpack. Right. Like all the kids who had like the stand up base and like all these different, like they had to like wheel it around down the hall, bring it on the bus. Too much. Yeah, I wasn't. I did the clarinet in fifth grade band. That was it. Because I saw this kid put his whole mouth over the mouthpiece and just made this like obnoxious like duck sound. And I'm like, that's the one that I want to try to play. But my neighbor, we walked to school and he played the trombone and I always just felt so bad because he's just lugging the like up a hill, you know, down the other side. And I'm just. Mine just in the backpack. So I could see why your mom didn't want you to go that route. Oh yeah. Oh my gosh. I love clarinet. I'm like trying to get more clarinets on my, on my album. Oh, really? That's cool. I think it sounds cool. I just. But I saw this obnoxious sound. I was like drawn to that. I'm like.

9:57 Yeah, in a true, like little kid fashion. Yeah, exactly. Well, were you in theater as. I mean, a lot of your videos are very theatrical. Were you in like musical theater or anything like that? Oh, yes. Yeah. That was like a huge part of my upbringing, just like being a theater kid and, and like I'm. I just had a lot of fun like in, in school because I was in the theater productions and we had like a really nice group of people at my school who it was. It's funny because, like when I grew up, I was like. So when I first auditioned for like, I think like the first play I ever was in, I like wanted to be the lead role immediately. And I was like, actually like, I was like kind of disinterested when I didn't get the lead role. Even though I like had no experience, like what at all, like, probably was like shaking during my audition. Like.

11:03 I don't get the lead. I'm out. Eventually. Like, I just kept with it and I did like work my way up to getting the leads, like in like, in middle school and high school, and then I did, like, some community theater productions and. And all that. That's awesome. Did you ever play in a band or, like, when did you start songwriting? You know, like, I. I did. I. I was always, like, casually writing things down in notebooks and such. I. I wasn't writing, like a lot of songs, but I had a few little seedlings of songs.

11:46 Like high school and middle school and stuff. Yeah, but I wasn't really. I had a couple little things I wrote, but I really wasn't like, writing songs at that point. When did that come? Much later? Yeah, when I moved to Montreal when I was like 18, 19, I got. Or actually in like, p. When I was in Pace University, I went to acting school for a year. I hated it. Yeah. Yeah. So I ended up. I ended up writing more songs then. And when I moved to Montreal. Okay, so you went to college, you went to acting college, you didn't like it, and then why just decide to move to Montreal just because your mom was from there? My mom's actually from Frederickton, New Brunswick. Okay. But I had a.

12:37 I. Since I have dual citizenship. My brother was living there and he was like, well, you're not happy and why don't you just come up to Montreal? Like, you are Canadian, so you can, if you want, like, you can go to school here. It's really affordable. So if you're all resident, it's like. It's like 3, 000 a year. I mean. Oh, my gosh. Yeah. Yeah, it's like really. It's really affordable. So. Yeah. And then I auditioned for an acting school in Montreal and I did not get in. And then. Yeah, that was worse. Was that rough? I mean, you don't get in and then what are you like. I'm not doing the acting thing. Is that, like, where music kind of took over or what? Oh, wait. Actually, sorry, I'm confusing the timeline. I auditioned for the acting school when I was auditioning for Pace 2, and I didn't make it into that program, but I don't think I re. Auditioned, actually. Oh, you just didn't. You got into Pace, so you went there instead of moving to Montreal right out of high school? Yes, exactly. Okay. But then after I, I. Yeah, I just, like, I did some weird jobs. I was like, working at, like, a call center.

13:52 When do you start, like, when do you start really kind of pursuing music as far as, like, what you're doing now? Oh, yeah. I started getting more serious. Like, I started getting more serious about music. What yeah, around when I was, like, 19 and I. And I was writing songs with. With like, my roommates, and I ended up writing a lot of songs with this guy named Matt who was writing a lot of country records then. Okay, so you guys just wrote together and then that never became anything as far as, like, you guys wouldn't go out and play them or anything like that? Not really. I was gonna sign, like, maybe a small record deal with like, like a Quebecois, like, record label, but that didn't pan out. And then I ended up. Yeah, and then, like, from there on, I ended up, like, really, like, getting into sessions, working, like, trying to hit up anyone. A lot of people freaking rejected me. Like, it was really hard to get people to take me seriously and to want to work with me, especially because the scene is, like, kind of closed there. But you're still in Montreal at this point. Yeah, but I would, like, just go and play places live, and I found that when I played live because I had, like, a lot of stage experience. Like, I would really, like, win people over and then I would get opportunities from that. But yeah, it was really

15:22 hard at first to find people who wanted to work with me. And then eventually, like, I just pushed and pushed and like, just like, locked in with producers and just like, push the song, produce some of it myself, and then put the songs out. And then that led to more opportunities, you know, and then like my first manager and then Spotify playlists and things like that. And when are. You're not still in Montreal, right? Are you in la? I'm in LA now. Okay, and how long have you lived in LA then? Only since, like, June. Oh, okay. So you're new to. You recently moved there from Montreal? No, from. Because then I moved to New York for like a year. Like, a year.

16:04 And now and I'm. Yeah, it's literally so much easier to make an artist career in LA just because, like, so many people are more willing to work with new people. I mean, now I had moved to LA when I had a lot of connections here already, and I had. Yeah, you had a career going already. Exactly. But. But still, I think starting off here would loki be, like, easier than starting real. Okay, so you were just playing a ton and just trying to get into sessions and what was like, was there, like a milestone or something that kind of got you to the managers, or was it just kind of slowly building your. Your brand and your. Your song?

16:44 I'm literally on my. Well, I'm on my third manager now, but I love him. Like, he's awesome. But, yeah, I plan on keeping him around a little bit. Really good. Hi. Jorge. That's his name, Jorge. But, yeah. So, yeah, what led to the first manager just being connected through someone else who I'd known. And they're like, I have this friend who. Who, you know, I think manages or works in the music industry. I want to introduce you. And then, like, one thing led to the other. And then. Yeah, and then honestly, like, I made a lot of connections just, like, through the Internet, because I was doing a lot of session. I was doing all my sessions remotely. Oh, is this, like, pandemic time? Yeah, but before, because I couldn't, like, get in with because everyone. No one was really in.

17:36 Interesting. So you were doing that before everyone had to do that? Yeah, literally. So I'm, like, used to doing Internet sessions. I'm used to doing remote. Okay. What was. I mean, I'm just going off your Spotify and you had. I don't want to be your friend. That was like, a big moment. Big song, right, for you. Was that the first one that really took off? I think the first, like, moment I had was, like, On a different Wave. That was when I got, like, my first Spotify playlist and I was like, oh, and that was really cool. And I got, like, some, like, labels interested at that point. What record was that one with?

18:17 On a Different Way. Oh, it was a. Oh, on a Different Wave. The song On a Different Wave. Sorry. Yeah, it's a single. Yeah. Yeah. I don't know. I'm dead. Yeah, but yeah, so that one, I got my first Spotify playlist. But, dude, like, it's actually up because, like, music actually took me, like, a long time to get, like, even notice because on my first song, wish I could see I'm it not. It literally took me, like, one year to get to a thousand streams on that song. Wow. It's hard, right? I mean, you're putting into this abyss of, like, millions of songs one year. To get to a thousand streams, and now it's like, yeah, like, it'd be weird if I didn't do, like, I do way, way, way more than that. Like a day just, like, insane.

19:09 It's. It's actually insane. But, yeah, so. But everyone always has this, like, vision right before they, like, put out their first song. Like, it's going to be fucking huge. Like, but you, like, really just kind of have to stick with it and. But, yeah, I don't want to be your fucking friend. I produced with this guy named McKenzie in Montreal and to Be honest, when I hit him up, I hadn't even heard his music, but I just had like an intuitive feeling I should hit him up. And then. Okay, yeah, and then we like. And he's awesome. And we ended up just like producing. We produced it and. Yeah, and I put it out, made a sick video for it with some friends in Montreal and it did well. I mean, obviously it did pretty well. It did pretty well, like do crazy well. But like it got me up to, let's say like 30,000 monthly listeners on Spotify. So it was like something, you know. And then you got perk. I mean, and you put that EP out as well, right around that time, or was it a little bit later that that's on no complaints. Oh wait. Oh yeah, the ep. Exactly. I put that out like spread. Yeah, I put. Put that out around in 2021. And then. Yeah, and then participation. I had this like, great session in Montreal with this producer, Jeff Harris, and we wrote with this other girl, Marissa Miano, and. Or Marissa Mayno. Sorry.

20:39 But yeah, and ended up being a cool song. And Jeff and I wanted to lock in. He was like, you should come to la. And I, I bought a ticket to LA and like we. We locked in and did participation trophies. We did that. We finished that one, like recorded vocals on that and then we just like started writing new stuff. I think we. Yeah, we started doing that and writing some new too. And that song is math. That's a big record for you. Obviously. Participation trophies. This do well right away or was it like a. How did it start to gain kind of steam? This is actually low key. Like when I was pretty vulnerable at this time because, well, I'd never really. I'd never had any success on Tick Tock or Reels. Like, I. Reels were a new thing, but I. Tick Tock was the way that people, you know, got from. Got like way more exposure. And I was sort of just blowing up overnight. Yes. And I was so scared. But honestly, it's like it wasn't just like, you could just post and it would like blow up and it. So like there'd be a post that literally flopped so hard and you'd be like, maybe I'm just not cut out for this. Maybe my song sucks or I just can't do tick tock. And now it's honestly changing too Tick tock in general. But, but back then at that time I was just like, yeah, I was really stressed out. Like I, I. Jeff was like encouraging me. Jeff was encouraging me to post on Tick Tock and it. I was

22:12 so stressed about it. I would, like, wake up in the middle of the night and be like, oh, my God, I look like a idiot. And. And I just, like, kept posting the song. And then eventually, like, my first video started, like, kind of blowing up, and I was like, oh, my God. I, like, couldn't sleep that night. Oh, I can't imagine. I always think of it as like a, Like a slot machine or something. You just keep pulling and you're like, what is it at now? Like, you just wanted to see the, you know, it's like so much dopamine. Speaking of your song, like, you know, just like, refresh. Okay, now it's at a hundred thousand. Now it's at, you know, 200. It's like, oh, my God. Oh, my God. Like, yeah, I wouldn't be jacked. I wouldn't be able to sleep, dude. It makes you feel, like, cracked out. Like, I, I, I was literally, like, refreshing it, like a, like, fiend. And. But yeah, so then I saw. Yeah, it went. It did, like, pretty well.

23:08 And then I had a music video shoot the next day, and I was literally so tired the whole shoot that I, like, it was a bad experience because I was, like, actually exhausted and I didn't get any sleep. That's so did for the video for that song. It never for a difference. Oh, it never came out. Yeah, that was for a different song, but it never came out, so. Because I was always just like, I want to keep going, make the next thing. Make the next thing. Make the next thing. And I was just like, I never wanted to have too much time pass where I wasn't working on another thing, another music video. So. But, yeah, I mean, but riding the success of that song, you Dead is also a big record. I mean, that came out next, right?

23:51 Yeah, that one came out. I think that one came out next. Yeah. And I just was, like, developing my, like, style of, like, lyrical, like, almost like confessional, vulnerable pop. And it was really nice because a lot of people were relating to it, and a lot of people really felt connected to it. And that was an honor to be able to put out music that could make people feel seen and, like, obviously, like, I don't want to be your friend. Sure, that makes people feel seen, but it's not as, like, in depth and thought out as, like, that. I'd consider that song more of, like, a vibe, you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah.

24:33 So with. And then you do Dove means the first record that you've done where you put it Into French. Correct? Yeah. And what. What made you decide to do that? And like, why? I mean, because that song had came out and you've put out other records since that one. And then you. What, did you go back and do the French version or. No, I did them both at the same time. I honestly just had a good idea. I was like, you know what? Like, I'm. I want to, like, commemorate my time in Montreal and I can do this. Like, this is a unique talent I possess that stands out and I think it sounds cool and I'm just gonna go ahead and do it. And. Yeah, and I did both. The idea was always to do both. Like one in French, one in English. And. Yeah, and I was just that. And it's funny because the French version ended up being like a vessel for like the English version to pop off, because that version popped off first. Really? That's interesting. Were you surprised at that?

25:39 Not like, actually, no, because I knew that it was like more unique. Okay. So it like, could cut through the noise more because, like, not everyone can do that. So it's just like, yeah, 100. Yeah. Stand out. So. And I know that, like, yeah, you really have to stand out in this industry. Right. And then what gave you the idea to do the Split Brain version? I think, like, me and my producer, Jeff. Well, he. My collaborator, because there are other people who produced on that as well. But my collaborator Jeff and I were just. Yeah, I think we just were messing around and we were like, we should do this. This would be cool. And the idea just randomly came into our minds and. And yeah, and I just like, posted.

26:31 Honestly, social media is crazy because I posted that video of like the Split Brain version, like way before I put it out. Like a year before I put it out. Oh, really? Wow. Yeah, like, I'm not gonna release this. This is kind of like kitschy. Like, it's a bit. I don't know, like, it's a bit hokey. But anyways, they're like, the video did like, okay, well, I was like, if it like super blew up, like, I'd probably drop it. But it did pretty well. But then I had someone in my DMs, like, begging me for a long ass time. They're like, please drop it. Please drop the Split Brain version on Spotify, please. And I was like, still like, no. And then someone else is like, girl, you're like, I made a video. I posted a video on YouTube of it. And then someone in the comments was like, I don't understand. Like, you're literally like, missing out on a bag by not putting this out on Spotify.

27:29 Okay. But it. I did, and I'm. I'm happy I did. I was just, like, worried if people, like, put my song on shuffle, I'd be like, what the. This is so. But it's mixed so perfectly that it's like, when you're listening to it, you can hear, like, I'll hear the English version, like, in the, The. The French version. There doesn't, like, take away from this song or me understanding what you're saying. Yeah. And I, I, I. I'm honestly happy I did it too, because, like, also, from doing that song, like, I was able to generate more revenue that I then could reinvest into doing a writing camp, which I just did for my album. Oh, awesome. I just did it. Like, I literally just got back yesterday. How was.

28:15 Was crazy. Like, it was my first ever experience doing one. And for those of you who don't know what a writing camp is, it's basically, like, I put together a group of, like, my favorite producers and writers that I worked with, and my Jeff and I, who, like, we run the label. Lucky bastards. We. We rented out the house or this house in Joshua Tree. Yeah. And we just, like, brought everyone into the house for three days and paired up producers, writers, and I told them all, like, my vision for what I want the album to be, and then, like, I bounced around and, like, wrote with everyone, and they were, like, generating, like, ideas starts for me or, like, or extending on some ideas that I mentioned. And, yeah, it went so well. And it was so. It was a lot of hard work, but it was so, so fun. That is so cool. What a cool way to put together your. Your album.

29:19 It was really cool. Like, there was, like, there was one song that we were just jamming on at the campfire, and it's kind of funny because, like, even people who are just sitting there, like, they would get songwriting credits how it works. But it's funny. Yeah. Like, we definitely have one song that has, like, probably, like, nine different, like, songwriters on it because we were just, like, sitting at a campfire. That's funny. But it was really cool. And, like, honestly, whatever makes a sick song makes a sick song. And it. And I love collaborating with people. Like, it feels really good for me to be around other creatives. This industry is really tough, and, like, the business people, like, pissed me the off in this industry, but.

30:00 But I love the creatives in this industry, and that's, like, such a joy for me. I love that. Do you Are the most recent records that you've put out, Are those going to be on the album? Or have you started kind of fresh like this with this writing camp? Like, this is where the album starts. I'm starting fresh. Yeah. Because I. I want to, like, usher in, like, a brand new era. Okay, so, like, outside. That's not on the album. Be on the record. But it. Those are like, this one. And then I'm dropping a song called Training Wheels, and those are just gonna be singles, but then the album is gonna be, like, all fresh. Oh, awesome. Yeah. I saw your photo you put for Training Wheels.

30:41 I didn't know that that was gonna be a song where you're, like, in front of the Beverly Hotel. Yes, exactly. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. We, like. We snuck there. We snuck into that spot and just. Took a picture on a trike. Yeah. Oh, my God. Wait. The funniest thing about that was, like, my life. My life is, like, pretty fucking strange, I will say so. It's like I was wearing this, like, huge poofy pink dress. Like, my vision, literally, I pictured in my mind, I'm like, I need to do this. So I just got this huge, huge, puffy pink dress, and then I. And I, like, picked up a trike on Facebook. Marketplace.

31:22 Anyway, so I was. I was like, right outside the Beverly Hotel. We were trying to find a good spot. We were just driving around, trying to find a good location to take a picture. Then, like, right as I'm literally in, like, stripper heels, basically, with, like, dress and the trike, there's like, a Hollywood tour bus that, like, drives by, and they literally all, like, slow down, look out the window, and, like, take pictures. They're like, whoa, okay, what is going on? You got your. You got your little Holly Hollywood experience. Yeah. That's hilarious. What's this training wheel sound like, what you're gonna be putting on the album, or is the album totally different than what you've been releasing currently? I think they'll be definitely remnants, like, because I'm working with some of the same collaborators, so it's like, it's not going to be, like, staunchly different, but, like, there's going to be. A lot of people are not expecting for this album. And it's like, I'm planning, like, I'm, like, creating a world. Oh, that's awesome.

32:24 Yeah. Is there, like, a theme behind the. Like, is it, like, a concept album or. No? Yeah. Oh, it is. It's a concept album. And there's like, I just. It's meant to accompany, like, my Live show. Brad, when do you think you'll have it finished? My goal is, like, this January and February. I'm gonna lock in and just write the. The write these songs out, produce them out more, and try to figure out, like, maybe what I'm missing in my album. And then I'd say I'm gonna start dropping singles at some point, like, next year for the album, and then possibly drop, like, the whole album in, like, fall 2025.

33:06 Wow. Damn. So, yeah, you've got. You got it ready to kind of go here. Well, I appreciate your time, Madeline. Thank you so much for doing this. Oh, my gosh. Thank you so much, too. I really appreciate it. Thank you for having me. Of course. I have one more question for you. I want to know if you have any advice for aspiring artists. Oh, okay. Yes, I totally do. I just need a second to think. I would say that when you're first starting off, I think your greatest battle is against, like, your own mind and your own insecurities that are telling you you're not good enough or you. You can't do this or, like, you should give up. But I think if you can just, like, continue to push through even though you're having those negative thoughts, you'll start to see, like, the fruits of your labor and, like, the seeds that you've planted, like, start to blossom.

34:10 And. And I would say focus on people in your circle. Like, your greatest links are people who are already in your circle. I would just hit up people who. Who I knew produced and that I could access instead of, like, chasing people that were just like, who is this bitch? You know what I mean? So. So focus on the people that are in your circle and. And just, like, yeah, just fucking keep going. Honestly, I feel like that's the hard part. You just need to keep going. Bring.

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