BiB: Chri$tian Gate$ – How Viral Diss Tracks & Heartbreak Turned Into 156 Million Streams

0:00 What is going on? It is Adam. Welcome back to Bringing It Backwards, a podcast where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how they achieve stardom. On this episode, we had a chance to hang out with Christian Gates over Zoom Video. Christian was born and raised in Orange county in Southern California and talks about how he got into music. Both his parents love music and have musical qualities but weren't professional musicians. His dad would play guitar and his mom was a singer. But Christian always saw himself as a songwriter. As early as seven years old, he started to write his own songs. He talked about writing some dis songs, diss tracks while he was in high school putting those up onto Spotify. But everything really changed for him when he started putting up songs onto Tick Tock and Instagram. Christian talks to us about the success of his remix of the song Overwhelmed by Royal and the Serpent, how that song led to Royal and the Serpent's manager actually reaching out to him and asking if it was all right if they put it out using his name. That gained a lot of traction for him and obviously the success of his song called Numb, which took actually months after putting out a clip of it on TikTok to really start gaining some traction.

1:17 He said it was like four months later he started seeing people using the sound on his Tick Tock for you page. So he decided to record the song. Now it has almost 156 million spins on Spotify. Christian talks to us about the release of his ep why Do I Hear Breathing and all about his new album which is coming out called no Strings Attached. And he's already working on a follow up to that album as well. You can watch our interview with Christian on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at bringing it Backwards. It'd be amazing if you subscribe to our channel like us on Facebook, follow us on Instagram, Twitter and Tik Tok at Bringing back Pod. And if you're listening to this on Spotify, Apple Music, Google Podcasts, it would be incredible if you follow us there as well and hook us up with a five star review. We'd appreciate your support if you follow and subscribe to our podcasts. Wherever you listen to podcasts, we're bringing. It Backwards with Christian Gates.

2:19 Bring it back. Bringing it backwards. Bringing it back. Bringing it back. Hello. Hey, what's up Christian? How are you? What's going on? Not much, man. How are you? Pretty good, how about you? I'm good, I'm good. I appreciate you doing this. Thank you so much. Of course. Thanks for having me, Brad. Dude. Well, I'm Adam, so nice to meet you. And this is about you and your journey in music. And we'll obviously talk about the album you have coming up. Cool, let's do it. Sweet. So I always start with kind of your backstory, your origin story. Were you born and raised in LA or Southern California? Orange County.

3:14 Orange County. I'm from San Diego. I live in Nashville now, but I'm. Pretty familiar what part of San Diego. I grew up in. Just east of, like, Del Mar, Carmel Valley area. I used to hang out in, like, La Jolla. Are you familiar? Oh, I know. Yeah. Yeah. Very cool, man. So you grew up in Orange county, though. What was that like? I mean, beautiful, obviously. Yeah, it's cool. It's like, it's a little different than LA County. It was a good time and a lot of good memories. A lot of cool people. Very cool. And did you come from, like, a musical family or a creative household at all?

3:58 My dad played a lot of guitar, but. And he. Both of my parents played a lot of music, but, you know, nothing other than that. Yeah, right on. See dad play guitar. Did you start off playing guitar? No, I. I'm. I just started learning, like, a month or two ago, so we're, you know. Yeah, I got a few guitars, though. I. I know, like, five chords at the moment, so that's nice. That's all that matters, right? So, dad. But did dad write it songs or just played, like, for fun or.

4:38 No, he'd just play like, a lot of his favorite songs that he learned. And he's. He had like, a guitar amp, and he just plug his guitar into the amp and whip it out every once in a while. Right on. And when do you. I mean, you recently started guitar, but, like, when do you start getting into music? Like reading, vocal lessons or anything like that? Or choir chorus? No, I mean, I. I was just, like. I feel like I was writing songs for most of my life. Like, the earliest thing I can remember I wrote was when I was like, seven, maybe. Wow. So, yeah, I don't know. I feel like I can't think of a time when I wasn't.

5:24 Wasn't writing songs. Yeah, I mean, they weren't great. I was 7, but something. But did you do anything with it? Like, I mean, obviously probably not at 7, but, like, maybe when you got into middle school or high school, did you join a band or, like, would you play your songs or, like. No, I. Or anything. I mean, in high school I started putting music out on Spotify and all that, and you know, I'd cause unnecessary drama at my school to. To stir up attention for the music and. And all that. What do you mean by that? I don't know. I was just always, like, picking fights for. I mean, I wasn't picking fight. Like, I was getting picked on by, like, football players and like, all that.

6:10 And I just wasn't taking the high road ever. Like, I always, like, they. They'd say some. I don't know, one of them would, like, push me walking past, you know, in like, a hallway, and I. I'd get in their face and say something, and then they wouldn't do anything. And then I'd go home and get on Snapchat like, this guy's a fucking pussy. I went into his face. He wouldn't say he wouldn't do anything. And then, like, the next day, all the football players are like, up in my face, like, surrounding me at school and, like, the whole thing. And I don't know, like, I remember this one moment where I was like, man, you and your friends, nothing compared to me and my friends. Y' all get up, like, to these football player dudes and he's like, all right, how about, you know, like, let's set it up or something. I'm like, all right. And he's like, I got 60 people that want to you up. And I'm like, I got like four dudes, so let's keep it down to four.

7:12 You know, let's whittle that 60 down to about four people. Make this. Make it four max. There was just a lot of stuff. And then with the music, though, would you, like, go home and like, write this songs about them or, like. Yeah, talk like that. Yeah, I wrote. I would write diss tracks. I'd. I'd. Anytime some little, like, beef thing would happen, I'd just go home and write a diss track and, like, just promote it and, you know, that's hilarious. So then what? Like, kids would hear it at school, so obviously they knew you were. You're making music and get your name out there that way. It was like 50, 50. I think it was very polarizing. Like, half the people were like, this shit's trash. I hate it. You suck. SoundCloud rapper and then the other half was like, oh, this is really sick. You know? So the people, probably the. The 50% that were saying was trash were probably friends with the person you're making fun of or whatever, dude. I mean, problem is, like, most of the people at the school were not on my side when it came to this thing. It was like, I remember this one moment I worked at Taco Bell during this shout out and I, I was taking out the trash and these people like drove up in a car and were like, is that Christian Gates? You know, and I got excited because I didn't recognize them. I thought they were like,

8:43 I, I. Don'T know, bands, your music or something. I was like, oh, maybe I got fans now, you know, I was like, that's cool. You know, from like all the promo I've been doing all that. And I go up and like, can we get a picture? And I'm like, sure. And then, you know, I like, I don't remember if I took a picture or not. But then immediately some two dudes hop out of the car and they just start going, christian Gates taking out trash. SoundCloud rapper taking trash out. And then start filming. And like, and then they were just like, you know, I was like, damn. And I'm wearing my Taco Bell uniform and. Sure. Well, at that point, did you have some like, success online? No, it was really just like school known. Like, I was not, you know, I had like 400 monthly listeners, you know, and it was like just the school. So.

9:43 But from there, like. Yeah. So at what point, like, you end up obviously finishing school and you continue doing this. Like, did you like, know that this is what you wanted to do? Well, so I, I mean, I originally wanted to do tech. Like, that was like my, you know, main thing or whatever. Yeah. But so I, I got sent to a continuation school and there I got into more beefs and all this stuff. And like, but at that school, I could leave school at noon and there was no homework, which is pretty cool. So this is when I'd start driving down to San Diego, which is where you're from.

10:26 Yeah. And I'd meet up with these, like, these rappers and youtubers and I'd like, I lied about my age. I was like, oh yeah, I'm in college. I just want to like, film your stuff. And like, I learned how to film. And then after that I started filming my own videos and then covet hit. And that's when I transferred back to my regular high school. And they're like, hey, you don't have to do anything for the rest of the year. You're just going to get A's. Like, you don't have to show up to a single class. And I was like, cool. Close the. The computer. Never, never showed up to class again. Got my diploma or whatever. But during that time period, I Started posting videos on the Internet and that's when they started doing well. So I was like, I started posting like funny raps and stuff, and then like 30,000, 40,000 views. I'm like, damn. So then I just do a new one every single day and write a new song. And eventually they were all getting like a million views a video, eventually, at some point, a million likes a video. And I'm like, damn, this is kind of crazy. So I. And then I just left a link in my bio Spotify, because I knew, like, social isn't forever, you know.

11:42 Right. So I was like, if anyone is too is curious enough, they can click the little link in my bio and then find my real stuff. So. And that kind of seemed to be a good, you know, tool for growth. Yeah. I mean, obviously people liked what you're doing enough to want to. What was it like on Tick. Was it on Tick Tock or Instagram or something like that? Yeah, both. Both, yeah. To. I. I've had a lot of conversations with people about this. Like, you know, you get a song or a viral thing on. On Tick Tock, but that doesn't necessarily mean that they're gonna leave the app and actually find your sound, your. Your Spotify, and then like stream the song. Right. I mean, that's like an extra step. That doesn't seem much, but it's like, if people are doing it, they care.

12:29 I've come to realize that TikTok is a tool to just learn how to make better music faster. So, like, other people, traditionally you have to put out a song and there's so many variables that you have to like, figure out. Like, why did this song not do well? You know, you're like, was it the melody? Was it lyrics? And then you slowly improve over time. But on Tick Tock, if I post a 15 second clip and it does trash, I'm like, that was bad. Post another one and it gets a million views. I'm like, oh, that was good. I post another one and then I slowly figure out what makes people like, listening to music. Kind of like training myself, you know? Yeah. Almost like using it like a focus group.

13:10 Yeah, yeah. Putting it out and saying, okay, well, no one cared about this one, so obviously this isn't the route we need to go. What's. And numbers don't lie. Like, because your friends will lie to you. Like, this shit's hard. Or like, you know, just be like, your friends have weird music tastes, so you never know. Right. So, like, I. I think that was really beneficial. So at that point, if you're making music that's getting, you know, a million likes on TikTok, that's the point where people are. The song is probably good enough where people are going to want to leave the app anyways. Like if, like when I hear something that's crazy on TikTok, if it's actually really good, I'm leaving the app and I'm opening Spotify and I'm pretty saving. Sure. You know?

13:51 Yeah, like change my life. Good. Right, right, right. Okay, but that's really interesting. So would you do that? Would you like test like without finishing a full song, would you kind of say like, okay, this is having an idea. Let me put it up and see if anyone even will bite on this idea? Well, this wasn't really like a plan and just I was doing it for fun, but it ended up being like a really good method. Okay. But I would just post. So I would separately post on Spotify. I just make full songs and I post them. And in on Tick Tock, I would make a new song a day. Like 32nd song. And I would never drop that unless it just like, like got. The only thing that would make me release a song from that did well on Tick Tock is if like the UGC and like the user generated videos.

14:40 Like if you click on the sound, you can see how many people made a video to that sound. If that was gaining a thousand videos a day, then I'd put the song out. But if not, oh, I just, I'm like, it's. I feel like I can make a hundred of these. There's no point in me putting them out, you know, Unless it was like getting crazy attention. Got it. And what was the first one that was like, oh, wow, I should probably make this into a. Like I should probably actually record this and put it out. It was overwhelmed. It was like a, A remix to Royal and the Serpent song. Overwhelmed. Uhhuh. And that one got like, I don't know, like, I feel like a hundred thousand videos made to it. And I was like. And I actually wasn't going to do anything. I'm like, it's not my song, you know, whatever. But then Atlantic hit me up like months later, maybe like five, six months later, and they're like, hey, we want to put this song out with you. I'm like, okay.

15:38 And they, Royal and Serpent's manager offered me a thousand dollar. I was a kid, I didn't, I didn't know. But they offered me a thousand dollars to, you know, as a fee and. Then to release it. Yeah. And then they. They told me a certain percentage, but I never ended up getting any money from the song besides a thousand dollars. And I paid my friend a thousand to produce. To produce it out fully. So I. I got like nothing on that song Even it's got 90 million streams right now. So I. This will teach you read up on music. If anyone listening is like, you know, young. Learn.

16:25 Just learn about deals and contracts and you know the terms and all that. Sure. But I mean, yeah, I ended up putting it out. Yeah. But before that song. I mean, all your songs that are in the millions of was. But did that come later after, like somebody would discover something like that rolling the Serpent song and then they would get dig into your discography or were you having millions of views or millions of streams on Spotify with previous songs prior to that one really going on? I probably had like a million streams on each song, but not like millions and millions. Got it. So. But it was just slow. My Spotify, since the link was in my bio, would just slowly really grow over time, like over the years and. But certain things would make it skyrocket. Like overwhelmed. Jumped it up like crazy. And then Numb, which. Oh yeah, Numb. Just that one kind of blasted it and it kind of stayed there, which is cool.

17:17 And even with no. I mean, Numb's a hundred and looking. Yeah. 100. Near 156 million plays. I mean, it's like. Yeah, it's crazy. You know, you wait even more. Way more than you achieved with the Roland Serpent song. I mean, that. And that's yours. I mean, that must have been a huge moment. Like, was that one that. On Tick Tock. That was doing something or Instagram. I was doing something and then it was like, all right, let's put it out. And it just continued to just kick ass on. On Spotify as well. Yeah, I was never gonna put it out. I Like really. It was Valentine's Day and I was thinking about this girl that I was talking to like earlier, this girl that broke my heart. And I wrote another song about her called Nomad, which is out, but I'm not gonna go into that full story. But this girl that hurt me.

18:08 And I was like, fuck, it's Valentine's Day and I'm alone and I'm feeling numb. That sucks. And I was like, you know what? Even though she's out there probably fudgeing the dude that she specifically told me, you know, that I don't have to trip about or worry about. We're just friends. I Know for a fact she's also numb. She's like, she's fucked up. She's got shit going on. Like. So it's fine. We're both not. She's not happy. She might be doing some up right now, but she's not happy. And I was like. So I guess, like, what am I jealous of, you know? So I just. I posted like a little Tick Tock of me singing like, those lyrics. And then maybe like again, like four months later, I just see videos of like girls just like lip syncing to it. I'm like, what the. And then like, I just see like multiple a day of. And then I clicked on the sound and there's like 30, 000 videos made to it. And I'm like, damn.

19:07 So then I put it out real. Quick, just not to interrupt your story, but. So you put it. You put it up as a clip on Tick Tock and it took. And people were finding it for. I mean, four months later is when you started seeing. Yeah, I didn't. Like, there was nothing going on. Like, the video did well. Like, all the videos were. Got like a million likes around that spot. But I just, like. The only way I could tell was like, yeah, they would come up on my for you page and it'd be like girls that I followed, like, you know, like influencers at the time. Yeah. I'm like, what the. Does the person know who I am? And then I clicked on the sound and then it's like just like packed with people.

19:47 And I'm like, this is. This is doing well. So I. I made it a thing. Yeah, it was just the sound. It wasn't like a. It wasn't like a song. They just took my video sound and started posting to it. Yeah. And then you're like, oh, damn. Okay. So even after four months, you're seeing all these things and it's like, okay, well, let's jump on this now. Like, I might as well. Let's put the video. Let's make it a full song. Yeah, I think it didn't happen until like four months later, which is weird. Like, nothing happened to it. But yeah, so I. I finished the song with my friends and yeah, I ended up putting it out and it did. Crazy. I didn't even believe that the numbers were real when I saw this song drop. And like, I was like, in the Spotify for artists app, it tells me how many people are listening. I was like, holy this. Somebody must have bought me fake streams or something. Yeah, yeah, right? And then somebody's Messing with me. And then it stayed solid for like, three years. So I was like, okay, well, you know, maybe this must start. Get, like, it must be getting expensive, whoever's pulling this prank on me, you know? Right. It must have deep pockets. Geez. But I mean, originally, to get reached out to by Atlantic with the Overwhelm thing, were they. Did they look at your back catalog or were they trying to sign you at that point or. No. I mean, obviously with that song, I'm sure people start coming out and they're like, hey, what do you got going on here? Well, so that's what I thought. I didn't know anything. I thought that was gonna happen. And I was wondering, even with Numb, it wasn't

21:20 happening. Well, that's what I meant with Numb. Yeah, it didn't happen with Numb. Both. Nobody reached out, and I didn't know why. I had, like, a. I had a very unprofessional manager at the time. It was just some, like, he's really cool, by the way. So I'm not trying to talk on him. He just wasn't like a manager. But he was really good. He's a director, a video director, and he was really good at that, insanely good at that. And he's a great guy. But people knew he wasn't a manager like the labels. So later, after I fired him and I got a real manager, they started hitting me up saying, hey, we just didn't want to hit you up because of your manager. And I'm like, damn.

22:02 Like, so I could have been getting deals and all this, but. Yeah, four years prior. But you didn't. They just didn't see it as, like, legitimate, maybe. Because they didn't. Yeah, they didn't want to take a risk, I guess. I don't know. Yeah. Then they started inviting me out to lunch and doing the whole thing that they do, you know? But it sucks because I have a friend that. That got signed before COVID It's a very different experience than when you get signed after Covet. I don't know if. You know, I've heard. Yeah, I've heard a little bit about, like, getting signed, you know, or in the middle of COVID right at that point. Very different. So before COVID from my friend's experience, he had, like, no listeners, nothing. They just signed him. He was like, just some kid in Texas, you know, sitting in. His parents signed him as, like. They just saw, like, they were willing to take a chance as far as, like, artist development type deal. Yeah. But what they did was they flew him to their headquarters, picked him up in, like, eight Escalades, and, like, you know, like that type of. Like the movie type of.

23:08 But when Covid hit, they stopped doing that. So for me, they're like, oh, yeah, let's just go get lunch at, like. I'm like, like, Waffle House. Yeah, it was still cool, but I was like, this ain't like the movies. And then I realized it was just covet. Covet is what. And now they don't really do that anymore, I don't think. Right. I don't think they go all out. They just. Yeah, there's not many bidding wars or anything like that. I feel like going on, like. Yeah, it used to be where if the. If a band or an artist is hot, then you'd have all these people, you know, trying to sign you and taking you out and, like, taking you these expensive places. Or. I remember hearing a story, like, I think Green Day, like, did that. Or they knew they were gonna sign with Reprise, but, like, they made, like, all the major labels take them to, like, Disneyland and, like, these extravagant steak dinners just because they're like, yeah, you can pay for the all. You know what I mean? Just doing. I did take a lot of free dinners, I'll tell you that. But, you know. But you're still independent, aren't you? Yeah, I mean, that doesn't mean I didn't take the meetings, but I. I signed to a distro company, so it's kind of, like, mostly independent, but there's, like, a little bit they dip their toes into some label stuff, which is cool. It's called 1 RPM.

24:27 Okay. I've been with them for, like, a year or two, and. Yeah, but you still own the publishing and all that other stuff. Yeah, well, I own everything. I did also take a publishing deal, but that's separate. So that has nothing to do with the label side of things. Yeah, cool. But, yeah, so. Wow. Well, I mean, you know, after seeing the success of Numb and then you. You just continue to put songs out. Right. Are you, like. You know, were you ever trying to chase that? Like, oh, well, this got a hundred. You know, all your songs have millions of streams, let's be honest. But, like, the 155 million, like, are you like, oh, I gotta try to do that again? Or do you just. Not even, dude? Yeah, that was the worst.

25:12 So when Numb first came out, I was like, this is my new normal. Every single song has to do this. And that was not the case. The next song was. And, like, by the Way the difference as well, with people around me, like, when I put out Numb and I'd go to a party or, like, go anywhere, even just out in public, like, whatever. Like, if I was just, like, in some random. Like if I was in a college town or something, people would, like, come up to me, like, do you sing Numb? And, like, you know, all this, and, like, wherever I'd go, people be really nice to me. And then the second I put out a song that did not do as well as Numb, that stopped. It was, like, interesting. It was so weird.

25:58 Like, even like. Like, kind of like my friends too, or just treated me differently. Luckily, more songs came and did similar, but, like, I just had to learn that and, like, focus on the priority. And it's not about what the song does, but what it means to me and why I'm putting it out. So I don't know. I'm just, like, extra grateful when things do really well. But if they don't, it happens, you know? Sure. So. Well, tell me about. You have an album coming out. Yeah. You've put just based off cover art. I've heard a little bit of the album. And then you've got, you know what, three. Three off of it out thus far? Yeah, I think three or four out. Maybe it's food poisoning on the album. Yeah.

26:47 Okay. So maybe four. Or Dive. Is Dive on the album? No, Dive is not on the album. Okay. Yeah. So you have about four hours. Toxic is the latest one. Okay, well, tell me about the album. I mean, this is like your first album, right? Your debut album, in a way. Like, you had ep. Yeah. Stuff out beforehand. I mean, I had an EP out, you know, but it was. That was cool. And I really like that one. This one I feel like I just put a little more time into than the other one. This. This current. The one that's coming out. Yeah. And then I also have another one coming out that I'm working on at the same time. That one I put even more time into. So I'm excited. Like, that one I'm putting a lot more effort into. So it's, you know, it's just. I'm just learning how I can do things better, and I'm. I'm just excited to get this thing out, get people hearing it. With. With this album, though, did you know you wanted to do a full album? Because, I mean, obviously a lot of people just play the single game or they'll put out four singles and then the fifth, and now it's an ep or you know what I Mean, like, was this something that you went into? Like, was there, like a through line or like, kind of a concept behind it? Or do you know that you wanted to do a full album going into it? I.

28:08 I just wanted to. Like, I was always just scared of making an album, you know, I. I don't just. So I've, like, always been used to making singles. A lot of my songs don't sound the same, you know, so it's hard to group them together. I don't usually. I feel like I could tell a story pretty well in one song, so I don't really need to extend that to whole album. So I don't know. I just. I needed to get that out of me and, like, figure out how to do it so that I can do it even better next time. Okay, so you went for it. You're like, I'm just gonna make an album. Yeah. Okay. And with that, though, did you try to. When you, like, when you did this album, like, do you still do the, like, kind of like focus group tests with songs on Tick Tock or did that kind of stop at some point? This one now, I'm just. I've done a lot of methods. I used to not promote my music at all, and I just make Tick Tocks and, you know, let people figure it out.

29:10 Now I've kind of done a whole 180 where I am choosing the songs first that I want to put out, putting them out regardless, and then figuring out what I can do to draw attention to it. So I feel like I have a pretty good ear for what's good now. But, you know, it's. It's a different approach, and my approach changes through. Through life. Are you producing all the songs yourself? No, but I have, like. I have some friends that are pretty consistently involved in everything. That's cool. Nice. And then you said you have another project you're already also working on, so the album's done, so now you're ahead and you're like, working on something else. When you. What do you mean by, like, you put even more effort. I think. I think you use the word effort into it. Yeah, I. I think so. There's just like a. A standard that I have in my head for, I don't know, like, lyrical content and melodies and all that, and.

30:20 And like a style, certain styles of music, you can get away with more, you know, if. If, like this album, I can get away with caring a little less about how good the lyrics are because there's so much going on and like. Like, where I could just tell the story. I don't have to tell it, like, in a certain, like, pretty way, you know, I could just tell it then. The instrumental is going to drive that, the emotion home, you know? But the new album doesn't really have a lot of that instrumental backing where like, driving the energy. So I have to put a lot more effort into telling the story just through vocal performance. Okay. It's just. It's more.

31:03 It's just a different way of thinking about it. Yeah. And was that a challenge you wanted to put upon yourself or it just happened, happening that way? I have just been consistently making two types of music, it seems, my whole life. One is like more crowd appeasing and then one is more art appeasing. And I think this next one is going to be the art one. Okay. I love that. And you just do it. Do you. Do you feel like it just happens that way? You just make. You just kind of, oh, this is good. And I know that people will dig this. Or I. I'm just gonna do this because I know I love this and this is kind of an art. More arts. I do it all for me at this point. Yeah. So, yeah, I just. Anytime I feel like making something, I'll. I'll make it. I don't really care about. The only thing is, like, if I make something way off in left field, I'm like this. I probably can't put this one out, but if it's like pretty far out, I'll still put it out. Love it. What about like performing the songs at all? Are you doing like a tour or anything when the album comes out? Yeah, I. I think I should. I'm doing a show, I think like November, something late November, I think. Okay.

32:20 And then I'm doing. I'm going on tour hopefully in like three months, so. Rad. That'll be nice. Do. Do you like, are opening? Are you going to do your own headliner or do you not know yet? I think I'm either gonna do a dual headliner or just my own. Sweet, man. Well, that's exciting. Have you done a tour yet or this will be your first one? I've done like seven shows, so. But not like back like month gone for months type deal. Yeah, never done that. And I'm a little worried about vocal endurance. So we'll see. See what happens. Hopefully everything goes well, though. I'm sure it will, man. Well, I appreciate your time. Thank you, Christian, for doing this, man. This has been awesome. Thanks for having me. Yeah. I do have one more question. I want to know if you have any advice for aspiring artists. Yeah, YouTube is great.

33:15 Anything, anything you want to know, look it up on YouTube or tick tock now I guess too. But like, I wouldn't trust Tick Tock as much. Like, if you don't know how to make a song, look up a YouTube video. How to make a song. In that video, they're going to talk about what is production, what is lyrics, what is melody. Right then now you have three new YouTube videos you can look up. Look up how to produce, how to write lyrics, how to write melody. And then in each one of those videos, it's going to expand on new topics you've never heard before, which you can look up more videos on how to do. And if you just nail all those videos and eventually learn each one of those things, you'll be great. So love it. And one more thing. Surround yourself with people that are way better than you.

34:14 Bringing it backwards, bringing it backwards, bringing it backwards, bringing it backwards.