BiB: Charm of Finches – Touring the World Before 18 and the DIY Artist Life

0:10 Bring it backwards, Bring it backwards. Bringing it backwards. Bringing it backwards. Bringing it backwards. Bringing it backwards. What is going on? It is Adam welcome back to Bringing It Backwards, a podcast where both legendary and rising artists tell their own personal stories of how they achieve stardom. On this episode we had the opportunity to hang out with Ivy and Mabel of the band Charm of Finches over Zoom Video. Ivy and Mabel are sister is born in the inner city of Melbourne in Australia and talk about how they got into music.

0:52 Their mom was actually very musical, a choir chorus teacher and she was in a band in the 90s where apparently she used to sing standing on her head in kind of like an electronic duo which I thought was a cool story. They both started music at a very early age. Mabel is two years older than Ivy and she started writing songs at 12 years old and their dad ran a veggie shop so they would busk in front of the veggie shop. Starting when Ivy was 8 years old they talked about putting out and recording their very first episode. We actually dive into all of the albums. The album they released in 2021, Wonderful Oblivion was all recorded and done during COVID so they were file sharing back and forth with their producer in Canada and ended up having the opportunity to go to Canada to record this new album that we talked a lot about as well. Talked about the story behind the title which is a wild fairy tale that they were told as a seven year olds.

1:58 But they dive into the new album and the huge tour they have coming up. Four month tour through the UK and Sweden and then through Canada as well. You can watch our interview with Ivy and Mabel on our Facebook page and YouTube channel at bringing it Backwards. It would be amazing if you subscribe to our channel like us on Facebook, follow us on Instagram, Twitter and tick tock at Bringing back pod. And if you're listening to this on Spotify, Apple Music, Google Podcast Please please please rate and review the podcast. It helps us out tremendously. We'd appreciate your support if you follow and subscribe to our podcast. Wherever you listen to podcasts, we're bringing. It backwards with Charm of Finches.

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5:45 You guys look great. Awesome. Well, my name's Adam, and this is about the two. You and your. Your journey in music. And we'll talk about the new album as well. Great. Cool. Is it. Is it out? It was. Oh, sorry. I'm Ivy and this is my room, just by the way. Cool. Cool. Is the album out? It was supposed to. It. It's Friday. Okay. Friday. I was wondering. I saw April. I thought it was last Friday when I was confused, but I had. I had it in advance, so I just wanted to make sure that I wasn't. Totally. Yeah.

6:26 Amazing. Well, first off, obviously sisters. Who's. Who's the elder sister? Me. By how many years? There's a couple or two and a bit. Two and a half. Two and a half years, I think. Yeah. Okay. Well, do you both come from a musical family at all? And where we. You grew up? In Australia. What part of Australia? We are in Melbourne. We grew up in the inner city of Melbourne. Yeah. And to answer your question about our parents, whether they're musical, we. Our mum was a choir leader when we were little. She also was in bands in the 90s. No way.

7:08 Yeah. She was in an electronic duo. Yeah. Where she would stand on her head and sing and the other person had a laptop on stage. It was like when people were first putting laptops on stage. And it was weird. Sure. I remember those days. I'm old. I. I think. What was your mom's duo called? Oh, it was called Fimo. Yeah. I don't think it's on the Internet. No. That's cool. Did you used to go. Or were you all too young? Mabel. Holding Mabel while she recorded.

7:49 Are you serious? That's amazing. But you'd stand on her head. Have you seen videos of that? Yeah, actually, where she has the blue. There would be photos. She was. She was a lot. That's so cool. And I'm sure super supportive of what you both are doing. Oh, yeah, yeah. She's been great. Yeah. And dad. Dad's not a music or. No, he's just a music lover and was. Is obsessed with Bob Dylan. And so that is a lot of what we listen to as kids. Okay. Is that where you got kind of the folky vibe from or aside from. Yeah, we did listen to lots of folk music. Yeah. The oh, Brother, Where Art Thou soundtrack. Yeah, you know that one. Harmonies.

8:39 Yeah, we were big into that. But, yeah, Bob Dylan for sure as well. We. Well, as kids, we thought that his voice was a bit scratchy. Yeah. A lot of people did but when you can write that good of songs, who cares? One song of his that we did just love was Mr. Tambourine Man. Okay. His voice was scratchy as thousands. We love that one. We would see to it. So, Mabel, you're older. Did you start. I mean, did you both start music at the same time? Or were you doing something and then Ivy, you were, like, intrigued or wanted to, you know, follow your big sister or. How did that work? Yeah, well, I wrote my first song when I was 12.

9:33 Yeah. And taught myself guitar. And then Ivy jumped on the harmonies, and I guess we just kept writing songs. And we used to. We used to busk a lot when we were. When we were. We started busking when we were 8 and 11. No way. Oh, my gosh. Your mom was just like, yeah, go ahead, go out. And you guys would go out and play. Did you make some money? Yeah, well, we had the cute factor then. That doesn't work anymore. Yeah, but our dad worked at this veggie shop, and we had another friend singing with us, and we would sing three part harmonies outside this veggie shop. Yeah. Yeah. No way. That's so cool. Throw their loose change in every time they come out. What instrument did you both start on? Or did you start on different ones? It sound.

10:29 Maybe sounds like you learned guitar yourself. But prior to that, were you. Did you play anything? And I'm sure mom put you all in or taught you how to sing early on or put you in her class or. Well, we actually went to Steiner school, which is like. I don't know if you've heard of Steiner school. You might call it Waldorf there. It's like an alternative stream. Okay. And some favorite artists went to Steiner school, like Sophie on Stevens. He's one of our. Oh, really? Yeah. Actually diner school. Dylan and Newsom as well. That's true. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, it's a stream where music's like a big part of it. And so you sing every day in class.

11:11 And then when you're. I think when you're nine years old, you pick up a stringed instrument like violin, viola, or cello. And so I picked up cello when I was nine and I picked up violin. Wow. So they were our first instruments. That's cool. Those are such beautiful instruments. I love the sounds of Violet strings. I think that's cool. They're very frustrating to learn at the. Very beginning, I would imagine. And I bet your parents were so happy when they could hear you going. Early on. I. I would have thought they would have learned by Mabel's Terrible. Terrible playing at the start. Okay. Because she started before you.

11:54 Yeah, yeah. You got to push through that stage. Yeah. You know. Right? That's funny. Listen, then busking that early on, you said 11 and 8ish. And then you wrote your first song, Mabel at 12. And is that. Have you both just been playing together since, you know, that early on and. Or did you, you know, play in different bands and kind of come back together, or has it always just been the two of you performing together? It's pretty much always been us. Yeah. We made a little EP when we were. How old are we? 12 and 14. And that was, like, where it started, and we were just gonna do it for our friends and just burn a couple for our friends, but then we. We ended up just making a crowdfunding campaign and.

12:48 Yeah. Printing them professionally and. Wow. Now we're just releasing our fourth album, so. Yeah. And it's. It's just the same. I mean, that. Basically the same thing. Just the band essentially started then when that EP came out. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. With the name then. Yeah. Yeah. That's crazy. That's. That's so cool. I mean, to be that young and really start off and put it. Put a. Put an EP out. That must have been exciting. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then we. We started doing gigs. We, like, Mum helped us apply for folk festivals around Australia. We started playing those, and we were like, you know, the youngest band on the lineup.

13:37 Oh, my gosh. Was that. That probably was intriguing to people, too. They're like, who are these two young girls performing? Like, let's go check them out. And the fact that you were good, just. I'm sure it was even, you know, it wasn't just, like, this joke. It was like, oh, my gosh. They're actually really, really talented. It was a good childhood, that's for sure. Yeah. And you. I mean, obviously you two are close. Is that like being sisters? I mean, I've two sons that are, like, fighting all the time. Like, was that something hard to navigate, or have you always been, like, really, you know, best friends are really close. Well, we do live together as well, and we definitely don't go without arguments.

14:27 Sailing. No, you caught us at a good time. Oh. Even at this late, you're like, well, we're delirious. So we're not gonna fire it. No. But, yeah, we've just. We. Yeah. We live together our whole lives, and it works. That's special. That's really. There is a fight then, you know, after half an hour, it's all fine. Yeah, Right. You have that unconditional love. Does that work out? I mean, I would imagine, like, if you were in a band setting with people that you weren't that close with, some people could be kind of timid about, you know, voicing their opinion or their feelings on songs or that could cause fights and break bands up. Like, just because you are so close, can Ivy. Can you say, like, oh, that sucks, or whatever?

15:19 Massive vice versa, like, that we're not doing that. And then, like, feelings probably don't get hurt as much. Or if they do, it's like, who cares? We're back. You know, we're sisters. Yeah. We shot. Yeah. We definitely do shut each other down a lot of the time, but I think that it's. That's a good thing. No. 100. Yeah. Honesty to get to the good songs, you know, sometimes you just need someone to be like, nah, you can do better than that. Right, Right. And you're not gonna have, like, resentment. It's like, okay, yeah, I guess you're right. You know, instead of move forward, instead of being like, oh, I can't. You know, she always shuts down my great ideas, and we're gonna. I'm gonna start something different. Yeah. I mean, yeah, I think we're pretty good with that. And then even if I don't agree with you, I'll just be like, I'm just gonna push forward with this, and then she'll eventually come around. That's pretty good. And this is vice versa as well. It's not just me. The. When you write, I mean, living together, being with each other a lot. Is it. Are you. I mean, it must be easy to kind of be like, oh, let's write something, or are you constantly kind of together? And you must have a lot of songs, I would imagine, going into each album. Yeah. Yeah. We kind of have different stages. Like, we have writing stages, but also. Yeah, living together is super convenient

16:50 for, like, if you have an idea late at night or something and just be like, hey, let's do songwriting. Yeah, I want to finish this idea. But we. For the last album, we kind of had a week away. We sort of set a week aside to go somewhere nice and do lots of writing together. Wow. Where did you all go? We went to the Mornington Peninsula here in Victoria. Here in Victoria. Yeah. Okay. And, yeah, it's a beautiful place and pretty inspiring. Some lovely people let us stay at their huge property with lots of trees, and, yeah, it was nice and relaxing, and we. Was it the summertime or, like, I mean, obviously the album title is off. That's a tree, right?

17:46 It's a tree in the snow. Or am I just totally dumb? Oh, it's. It's a name of a person. Oh, it is. Because I was trying to research what it was, and they're. They. They called Juniper trees. Yeah. So. Yeah. Do you want the story? Yeah, I would love the story. So the album title is Marlinchen in the Snow. And Marlinchen is a girl. Her name's Marlinchen. And I feel like you're better at telling this story. Do you want to keep. Okay. So it's. It's like. It's from a Grimm's fairy tale called the Juniper Tree, which is probably where. You got that from. Okay. And it is about this little girl called Marlinchen, and she.

18:29 It's quite a grim story, by the. Way, like, most fairy tales are, right? It's like, how are these children's stories? We were both told this story when we were like, seven or something. Anyway, so Ma Lynchin, she discovers that her mother has killed her stepbrother. And then he gathers his bones and puts the bones under this juniper tree. And then out from the juniper tree comes this bird, and the bird has the voice of the brother, and he tells the story about his death and what happened and the truth of it all.

19:14 And anyway, this story, yeah, it sort of was one of those ones which kind of stayed in our heads. No way. Yeah. Like, traumatized, you know, like, is mom gonna kill. So heavy. Yeah. But we were recording this album in Nova Scotia, Canada, with our producer, Daniel Ledwell, and it was the middle of winter, lots of snow, which is very, like, surreal and weird for us in Australia. So we haven't. Yeah, we don't see that much snow. We've never seen that much snow before. We'd never seen a frozen lake before. We had this huge frozen lake at our doorstep, lots of, like, the woods. And we were like, oh, this is.

20:05 Like a fairy tale. And then we were sort of reminded of this fairy tale and started writing this song in the studio. Okay. So. But this trip that you took, you know, kind of like to get away, you already had those songs and then you went to record in. In Canada. So it wasn't like the fairy tale was the storyline that kind of started the. The album. It's almost that came when you were recording the album. So all, like, majority of the songs were all written before we went to Canada, except for this one song, My Lunch and In the Snow, which is the title track of the album. And we wrote that when we're in the studio.

20:46 Okay, yeah. Well, just going back a little bit to that first ep, was that something that you just found somebody locally to record it or, like. And then how do you kind of get, like, did you have, like, a moment or was. Did you have some sort of, like, mentor or somebody kind of championing you both as. As artists to be like, whoa, you know, the. This. These girls really have something going on. Like, I want to kind of help get them to the next level. Yeah, we've had lots of amazing mentors along the way. The. Yeah, when we made that first ep, there was this guy. He was a harp player. He was a friend of our mum's friend.

21:27 He saw us play. Michael Johnson was his name. And he was like, I want to record you. Come to my studio. And we went to his studio and then his gear broke on the first day. Oh, my gosh. And. But he was like, don't worry, I've got this friend and he'll record you. And so he was like the producer and his friend was the engineer. And we went into the studio and I think it was like. Was it two days? No, it's just the one one day. We recorded six songs. Yeah. Which was, yeah, an intense experience, I think. But, kids, was it. I mean, to be that young and like, obviously, was the. It. The album or EP must have been received pretty well to then, because you end up getting signed on the next album. Right? Or on your first album.

22:21 No, the next one was another. Oh, what was that? Was that 2016? Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, yeah, again, another sort of. I was, okay, so Staring at the starting ceiling. That was just like another one that you all like. But did you work with the same person and kind of have. Or was it, like, totally new? Like, oh, let's just go to some new people and. And see what we can do. We have these songs together. Yeah. We worked with a guy called Nick Huggins on the next two records, so Staring at the Starry Stealing and your company. And he was someone, like, who did some amazing records that we loved of some people here in Melbourne.

23:07 And we just loved the sound of all the records he did. So we went and met him. He lives in Point Lonsdale, which is on the beach, and he has a little studio at the back. And he was amazing. He was so encouraging and, yeah, just so great to work with. Made us feel, you know, like we could. Comfy. Yeah, we could really create something special and explore creatively and be supported. So, yeah, I think we really Lucked out with working with Nick. Yeah. And then after that was. Wonderful. Oblivion.

23:50 It was made during lockdown. So we were here. Oh, wow. Yeah, we were here in Melbourne in. And we recorded in our house. We set up a. A vocal booth with, like, big blankets and vocal mic stands put up as high as they could go and sort of like a little cubby house made out of those. That was. Wow. Yeah. And then we worked with Daniel Ledwell. Who is a new album. Yeah. But he was in Canada, so we would send files back and forth and we'd wake up in the morning to a new mix in our inbox. That's cool. So you record. Did you both record? Like, you almost engineered the whole album, that album, because you're at home.

24:41 Yeah. So we did all the vocals and all the guitar and the strings for that one. And Dan did some instruments on his end as well. So what was that like? I mean, obviously, what's still so bizarre to me is that the whole world was locked down. Right. I mean, you're in Australia, all the way across the whole world and you were sitting in your house just like I was in, you know, California or whatever. Like, that just still blows my mind that this old shut the whole world down. And like, I mean, being that in that situation, were you all playing a lot of shows or, like, how did that directly affect you? Were you going to do a tour? I know you have a tour coming up and, like, I mean, where were you at when that all really started? And was that the reason why you kind of had time to do this, that or that album? Well, we went to a conference in early 2020, actually, so just before everything locked down. And we met Dan at this conference, it's called Folk alliance in. It was in New Orleans. And, yeah, we met Dan there. And.

25:54 Yeah, then we were meant to go on a UK tour that year. Obviously didn't end up doing that. So we just thought, what are we gonna do with ourselves for this time and try and keep our music going? And. Yeah, just decided to contact Dan and try and get some music together with him. Yeah. That must have been such a different process. Obviously, you have to figure out how to record yourselves. Have you ever done that before? Recorded yourselves in that, like, to that level where it's like, listen, this will probably. This is going to make our album. Like, you know what I mean? We haven't.

26:35 We've done lots of recording before that. But not sort of engineering it ourselves. Yeah, yeah. Not stuff that we would then put on the Internet. Yeah. Yeah, we Recorded strings for ourselves for the last albums, but I guess that's kind of just underneath. So this was the first time we were like, recording vocals and basically, like, you know, being the producer in the session for each other and going, okay, that was a good take. Do another one or whatever. Which was hard, actually. We worked each other way too hard and made each other brutal.

27:21 Yeah. Yeah. We kind of realized afterwards when we recorded with Dan in person, he was like, okay, I only record three vocal takes. Yeah. And that's enough. And then listen to those, and then if you need more, we can do more. And then. And we were like, oh, what? We, like, did, like, 50 when we recorded it ourselves. But yeah, three was. Yeah. He was so right. He was very right. Yeah, I. I've heard that. I heard that a lot. Especially during, like, Covet and people recording at home, where it's like, you would do these takes and. Because you were really kind of in the moment right when you're singing those songs. And then, you know, somebody would say, oh, I recorded this in my closet with some blankets and a 50 USB mic from Amazon. And then you go to this expensive studio and these expensive mics and that just kind of re.

28:18 Redoing that emotion and kind of, like, trying to, you know, recreate it was just the. The magic wasn't there. Like, did you try to. And I. That makes sense kind of with those first three takes. Like, the first three takes are probably. You're okay, this is what I want to do. This is how I'm going to do it. And then you probably start kind of falling into, like, more of, like, a rhythm of how you're almost redoing your same vocal takes. I would imagine once you get to, like, 47 or. What we. What we used to do was demo our songs before going into the studio, which we kind of found. We What? Our. What? Nick Huggins, our last producer, used to say demoitis. We get demoitis, which is like, when you love the demo so much and you're just spending all this time trying to recreate it.

29:08 Yeah. And so for this album we've just made, we didn't really do much demoing because we didn't want to, you know, capture the beautiful moment and then go, oh, wait, this is not the real thing. Yeah. Yeah. And so with this new album, there wasn't a whole lot of demoing done. No. Yeah. It was just mostly rough recordings and stuff for demos. Yeah, yeah. It was just. And when. So you decided on. Okay, we're on it. We're gonna do you have, like. When it comes to having songs and then I love the fact you do albums, which is kind of a lost art, I feel like. Right.

29:49 A lot of people are just doing a song and then two months later a song, and three months later a song and. All right, it's time for the ep. I'll. We'll put two on it now. And now we have five or whatever it may be. When you guys were writing, do you. Right. Knowing you want to put a full album out, or is it not a thought? Is it just. Okay, now we have all these songs. Do they kind of. Are they linear in a way where it makes sense to make an album? Yeah, well, this one was. A lot of the songs came out of a time in 2022 when we went on a very long tour, UK tour. We spent four months in the UK and Europe. Wow. Yeah.

30:33 Shows and. Yeah, it was a long time and we loved it. We had a great time and it was incredible, you know, going to all these different places each night and discovering, you know, meeting heaps of new people and then saying bye and meeting another bunch of new people the next day and. Yeah, we loved it, but we also missed home a lot and. Yeah. So I think a lot of the songs on this new album are linked in that way. Yeah, just a lot about travel and missing people and then also wonder and awe of where we are in the world.

31:17 That's very cool. So then you decide, okay, let's go to this. Did. So did you have songs and then decided to take this trip or was it let's take this trip? Because start fresh here and. And be inspired and kind of take those feelings from that tour and. And put together this album sort of. Came out after that, too, or during that tour. Yeah, yeah. I think while we're on tour, we weren't. We didn't really have plans to make the album. I don't think it was. It was afterwards that we sort of went, okay, let's make a new album. We have these songs that. That seemed to. To go in an album. But then we also went on a UK tour before we went to Canada, which I think we wrote a few songs on that little trip as well. Yeah, Just before we recorded. Yeah. Yeah. And the album before was the one you guys won, like a best folk album, Right. Didn't you win some huge awards for that album? Yeah, Best Folk Album in the Australian Folk Music Awards, I think. Yeah. Wow. That must have been such a huge moment. Was that, like, even being nominated? I bet you were like, oh my gosh.

32:29 Like, we got this. It's really nice to be recognized in your own country for. Right. Work that we try and do. Yeah, yeah, totally. Very, very cool. So this album is kind of written about, you know, the missing people and the experiences you had on this tour and then you get to Canada and kind of see this landscape and is that what sparked the remembering this. This kind of fairy tale that you were told as kids and decided to write that song on it? Yeah, yeah. I think Story also is kind of about like female strength as well and like following intuition and overcoming obstacles, being led by like your inner voice, which is like another sort of thing that comes into lots of the other songs and we felt like that was a nice way to sort of link them as well.

33:31 Yeah, very cool. And then you have a big tour coming up, right, to support the. The new album? Yeah, we've got our tour in Australia this month and then heading over to the UK and Sweden as well, and then also Canada. So we're going for four months again. We did say we wouldn't go on a four month tour again, but we're doing it again. So here we are. More adventures to come. More songs as well. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Have you ever played here in the States.

34:13 And then. Yeah, just Canada. Yeah, yeah. I heard it's kind of a nightmare to get like visas in here. Oh, yeah. We do have a booking agent in the US so hopefully sometime soon. Very, very cool. Well, I appreciate you both staying up late and, and doing this, of course. Thanks for having us. Yes, of course. I do have. Well, I have one quick question on the touring, like, at what age did you start, I mean, putting an album out when you were that young? At what point do you. In busking, I mean, you had all the live experience and at what point do you start to tour? Was it on when you put your first album out? Was it on that EP or. I mean, at what age are you traveling and playing shows and is mom coming with you or like, how does that work at that? Young.

35:06 Yeah, well, we did play. We did start playing gigs when I was 11, I think, and you were 14. And that was where we started doing festivals around Australia. It was definitely a big, like family thing. We'd go to the festival together. Yeah. Which was a fun way to spend. Yeah. And then when we started releasing albums, we would do, you know, a Sydney show, a Melbourne show, a Castle main show, which is like a regional area state that we live in and, you know, just small regional areas. Australia's massive. So.

35:47 It'S interesting when you see tour dates for bands, it's. There's not a whole lot of shows on it and it's like. Because you have to fly right? To pretty much every city unless you're driving like a ton of hours. We're about to do a tour where we have like seven hour drives stuff. Yeah. Like an hour drive. We've decided to drive rather than fly, but. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Oh my gosh. Yeah. That's crazy. Well, I, I had a chance to hear the album. It's amazing. And I have one more question for you all before I let you go to sleep. I want to know if you have any advice for aspiring artists.

36:29 Totally. I reckon. Keep playing and practicing your instrument. Just keep practicing your craft. Yeah. Really hone in on your craft and yeah, I think that if you, yeah. If you put the effort in and you also like putting your honest self and you're pouring your heart into the music that you're making, that's going to come across to audiences and speak to them. So I think that's for us, I think music's always been about kind of express expressing honest emotions and so that's kind of our goal when we write and I think that connects with people. So I guess that would be my advice. Yeah. You have anything ivy to add?

37:21 Oh, I mean that sort of sums it up, I think. But. I love the, the do it yourself approach. We, you know, we. Try and learn as much as we can on, you know, music videos and everything that is involved in being a musician and putting your music out there. And you know, we have learned how to put it out there ourselves and I've learned how to edit music videos and the more you can do yourself, the better it is for you. You can just, you know, you can be self. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So just learn as much.

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